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Post by DrFaustus on Apr 22, 2023 19:41:24 GMT
102 years of league football came to an end today.
Absolutely gutted for a truly magnificent club and supporters. My favourite away trip by far.Can't see them back any time soon, but hope so.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 22, 2023 20:15:53 GMT
102 years of league football came to an end today. Absolutely gutted for a truly magnificent club and supporters. My favourite away trip by far.Can't see them back any time soon, but hope so. Sad and I agree that I don’t see them coming back for many yrs. The conference and now even the conference North & South divisions are littered with ex football league teams . Still , it’s better than the old days when it was a closed shop . Wrexham will be a force next yr no doubt.
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Apr 22, 2023 20:32:00 GMT
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Post by herbertblake on Apr 22, 2023 20:32:00 GMT
Dale hopefully will be back sometime soon.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Apr 22, 2023 21:00:42 GMT
Today’s defeat by Crawley also puts Hartlepool on the brink of departure from the league.
That’s a real shame, scene of probably my all time favourite away day, and that includes Blackpool 1990.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Apr 22, 2023 21:22:23 GMT
Second time I was linesman was at Spotland.Little old lady told me she'd been asked to be secretary and she loved it.Told me the hadn't expected to get re elected yet again so staff had been laid off but against all the odds the got re elected for the umpteenth time so she was holding the fort. Their programme was a duplicated effort not the usual glossy version.Manager was Peter Madden who was eventually replaced by Jimmy Greenhoff.
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Rochdale
Apr 22, 2023 21:41:03 GMT
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Post by horfield on Apr 22, 2023 21:41:03 GMT
Traditional northern club with loyal gritty supporters. Never the easiest place to win a point, they will be missed. Might be difficult to find their way back.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Apr 23, 2023 1:13:10 GMT
As others have said, it will be extremely difficult for them to get back up. There are a lot of well-run, ex-league sides down there these days. We were incredibly fortunate that we won that shootout. Who knows what might have happened if we hadn’t.
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Post by gas2 on Apr 23, 2023 4:41:53 GMT
Luton got stronger and stronger in recent years
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Post by curlywurly on Apr 23, 2023 7:13:46 GMT
Whilst I feel sympathy for their supporters, I'm more of the opinion that there is now an established fifth division. As others have said, there are now plenty of ex-Football league clubs in the National League and, as we know, it is a challenge to get out of, unless you can get things right on and off the field.
With the demise of Bury, Oldham in the 5th tier and now Rochdale, it may be a consequence of the draw of the Premier league clubs in the region, but ironically, it was another club from the region, Stockport, that had suffered years in the wilderness that put Rochdale down.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 23, 2023 7:53:28 GMT
No more Cemetery for at least a few years....😭
Great little club, not in a patronising way as I lived up near there for a while.
A bit like Oldham and Accrington, a fab, cheap away day and chatting with some of their fans pre fa cup match earlier in season, they are a hardy honest bunch where we share Lambo as mutual legend.
Hopefully they'll bounce back.
Any horses punched?
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Post by badengas on Apr 23, 2023 8:09:41 GMT
No more Cemetery for at least a few years....😭 Great little club, not in a patronising way as I lived up near there for a while. A bit like Oldham and Accrington, a fab, cheap away day and chatting with some of their fans pre fa cup match earlier in season, they are a hardy honest bunch where we share Lambo as mutual legend. Hopefully they'll bounce back. Any horses punched? No, apparently some monkeys hung in Hartlepool though.
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Post by playtowin on Apr 23, 2023 8:10:23 GMT
Football has probably reached the point where promotion from the national league needs to match the higher divisions. Two or 3 direct and 1 playoff winner. The top flight of English football now being an overseas player league means the quality of player lower down has improved. There needs to be a league 3 created.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 23, 2023 9:12:44 GMT
Luton got stronger and stronger in recent years Amazing ride back up the divisions when you think about it for a club really no bigger than we are.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Apr 23, 2023 9:18:36 GMT
Definitely in favour of 3 up, 3 down between the national league and league 2.
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Post by percy on Apr 23, 2023 9:35:14 GMT
Definitely in favour of 3 up, 3 down between the national league and league 2. I’m in the minority here I think, but I disagree. Unless it becomes EFL league 3 it should remain as is. It is still “non-league” and fewer promotion slots reflect that.
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Post by badengas on Apr 23, 2023 11:26:11 GMT
Luton got stronger and stronger in recent years Amazing ride back up the divisions when you think about it for a club really no bigger than we are. Tommy Locks potentially a Premier League player next season, approaching 400 senior appearances and having a fantastic career.
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Post by albowlly on Apr 23, 2023 11:41:43 GMT
It's a shame when any club loses its league status but Rochdale is a particularly badly supported team. In their entire 102 years they have never averaged even 9,000 and they haven't averaged 4,000 since 1972. It will be difficult for them to return but even more poorly supported but equally historic clubs like Halifax have managed it, though they couldn't hold on to their recovered status for very long. It is Hartlepool's relegation, in only their second season back in the league, which I find more disappointing; particularly as they are a fairly local team to me and looked like they were going to get out of trouble after Askey's first seven unbeaten matches in charge.
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Post by DrFaustus on Apr 23, 2023 14:12:59 GMT
It's a shame when any club loses its league status but Rochdale is a particularly badly supported team. In their entire 102 years they have never averaged even 9,000 and they haven't averaged 4,000 since 1972. It will be difficult for them to return but even more poorly supported but equally historic clubs like Halifax have managed it, though they couldn't hold on to their recovered status for very long. It is Hartlepool's relegation, in only their second season back in the league, which I find more disappointing; particularly as they are a fairly local team to me and looked like they were going to get out of trouble after Askey's first seven unbeaten matches in charge. Rochdale are not blessed with a massive support, no. However, given they've been mostly 4th division for the best part of the last 70 years, the loyalty of their great fans is even more impressive. Furthermore, very close to Rochdale you have Stretford Rangers, Man City, Leeds, Huddersfield, Oldham, etc...all of who have had significant or much more success than Dale, so they get no glory hunters. Proper football club, great away day/weekend, friendly as you like, top pubs. What's not to like?
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 23, 2023 17:21:21 GMT
Agree Dr. F. Rochdale have achieved way over what they should have done on their fanbase but they have had an awful last 3 seasons. Covid really sucked everything away from their budget. Really sad that they’ve lost their league place but looking at what’s happened over the past 10 years or so the northern clubs seem to have been hit badly. Hartlepool have lost their place twice as have York. This season Morecambe, Accrington look likely to lose there League 1 place and the clubs in the greater Manchester area have all had bad times esp the north of Manchester clubs, Rochdale, Oldham and Bury have gone out of the league. And it’s taken Stockport a holiday in NLN and over 10 years to get back. Too many PL clubs perhaps or something else?
Now and again when we have threads about signing players esp in the windows some say it’s easier to get the loans and signings if we were in the north west. I guess it might be but but would be a lot harder in many other ways. The big PL clubs in these areas monopolise all the football and suck all the attendances away from the lower league clubs.
I hope Rochdale can come back quickly and I suppose with Wrexham going up it will help the clubs to be more of a par without the Hollywood money bags!!
UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 23, 2023 17:29:06 GMT
Definitely in favour of 3 up, 3 down between the national league and league 2. I’m in the minority here I think, but I disagree. Unless it becomes EFL league 3 it should remain as is. It is still “non-league” and fewer promotion slots reflect that. I agree Percy. League football has to be the absolute prize for non league clubs. They have two slots, that seems about right. In football terms I can see why the NL is seen as Division 5 football-wise but financially it shouldn’t be. There’s little enough money for clubs in Leagues 1 and 2 as it is, add the NL clubs to the pot and the share gets even less. (And I’m sure there would be few L2 clubs wanting 3 up 3 down. If I was in that league I wouldn’t.) It shows the depth of football in this country but winning the NL and play offs is the ultimate for non league. UTG!
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