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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on May 7, 2023 19:30:22 GMT
Good balanced post. This thing that we seem to have in our fanbase of Barton being seen either as the messiah or terrible is bloody boring. He’s done quite well , we don’t have to love him or hate him , that’s the ends of the spectrum and there’s a lot to like and dislike between. I agree its about balance. Balanced and objective views based upon actual performance. So, relegation, promotion and then 17th. Lets not talk about overspending last season. So, if we were to undertake a performance review, what would we decide? A pay increase? A promotion? or just a "c", met basic objectives.... Answers on a post card I guess we'd have to know exactly what the expectations of the club itself were to properly answer that but imo Season 1 the brief would obviously have been to keep us up which he failed to do, the reasons behind that relegation have been done to death so no need to go over that again. Season 2 to bounce straight back - achieved Season 3 not sure what the expectations internally would have been but I'd suggest most of us would have taken consolidation and a stress free end to the season so again achieved. Wael & JB have both publicly stated a play off push is next seasons target so let's see where we are this time next year |
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Post by DrFaustus on May 7, 2023 19:41:33 GMT
Thoroughly enjoyed that today. Just about a fair result, but a draw would maybe have been the right result given the season we just experienced.
Bear with me sorry..a tad merry. Great football today from both sides cracking referee, magnificent atmosphere and what wonderful support from the Bolton mob. They never shut up. Good luck in the play offs, but it's going to be Barnsley who go up, eh?
UTFG 💙🏴☠️🍺🍺🇪🇸
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Post by gashead79 on May 7, 2023 19:45:52 GMT
I agree its about balance. Balanced and objective views based upon actual performance. So, relegation, promotion and then 17th. Lets not talk about overspending last season. So, if we were to undertake a performance review, what would we decide? A pay increase? A promotion? or just a "c", met basic objectives.... Answers on a post card I guess we'd have to know exactly what the expectations of the club itself were to properly answer that but imo Season 1 the brief would obviously have been to keep us up which he failed to do, the reasons behind that relegation have been done to death so no need to go over that again. Season 2 to bounce straight back - achieved Season 3 not sure what the expectations internally would have been but I'd suggest most of us would have taken consolidation and a stress free end to the season so again achieved. Wael & JB have both publicly stated a play off push is next seasons target so let's see where we are this time next year Bottom half unless the club show positive intent. Talking about it is one thing but doing it is something else. I remember our draw at the Withdean about 20 years ago. On the free bus post match back to Brighton I got chatting to a couple of Brighton fans. They were certain that the club would be going places once Falmer was built. Iaughed it off but they were sure and credit where its due, they've climbed the leagues and are doing the business. We, as a club aren't making serious noises about doing anything special. So with that in mind, it'll be another mid table,lower half finish. |
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Post by stuart1974 on May 7, 2023 20:16:57 GMT
Good balanced post. This thing that we seem to have in our fanbase of Barton being seen either as the messiah or terrible is bloody boring. He’s done quite well , we don’t have to love him or hate him , that’s the ends of the spectrum and there’s a lot to like and dislike between. I agree its about balance. Balanced and objective views based upon actual performance. So, relegation, promotion and then 17th. Lets not talk about overspending last season. So, if we were to undertake a performance review, what would we decide? A pay increase? A promotion? or just a "c", met basic objectives.... Answers on a post card Ungraded for the relegation season, but with additional support including private tutoring he passed the 11+ of League 2. This year was his mocks, probably a B- and a "could do better" note to mum and dad. Next season is the big GCSE test, with hopefully Championship A Levels being taken in a year or two. Look forward to the degree course application. 😁 |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 7, 2023 20:42:02 GMT
I guess we'd have to know exactly what the expectations of the club itself were to properly answer that but imo Season 1 the brief would obviously have been to keep us up which he failed to do, the reasons behind that relegation have been done to death so no need to go over that again. Season 2 to bounce straight back - achieved Season 3 not sure what the expectations internally would have been but I'd suggest most of us would have taken consolidation and a stress free end to the season so again achieved. Wael & JB have both publicly stated a play off push is next seasons target so let's see where we are this time next year Bottom half unless the club show positive intent. Talking about it is one thing but doing it is something else. I remember our draw at the Withdean about 20 years ago. On the free bus post match back to Brighton I got chatting to a couple of Brighton fans. They were certain that the club would be going places once Falmer was built. Iaughed it off but they were sure and credit where its due, they've climbed the leagues and are doing the business. We, as a club aren't making serious noises about doing anything special. So with that in mind, it'll be another mid table,lower half finish. The club are constructing our first new stand since the Eastville days whilst continuing talks about a new stadium, that seems serious noises to me. |
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Post by bridgwatergas on May 7, 2023 22:01:01 GMT
But there’s fans who think he’s a better keeper than Balcombe 🙄 Which fans think Balcombe's a better keeper? Me |
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Post by eric on May 8, 2023 7:00:05 GMT
Bet you wish your favourite player “undroppable Tom” was still playing for us? |
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Post by Gaswood on May 8, 2023 7:11:29 GMT
Which fans think Balcombe's a better keeper? Me Wow… you weren’t at Shrewsbury then |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 8, 2023 7:24:48 GMT
It's baffling how any Rovers fan thinks Balcombe's a better goalie, he's probably a better shot stopper but Belshaw is clearly the better all round goalie.
In an ideal world JB would sign a better goalie this summer but if he was that good at signing players we wouldn't have finished just outside the drop zone this season.
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Post by Gaswood on May 8, 2023 7:32:09 GMT
Unless it’s someone like Conor Ripley (mentioned on here numerous times before by me and by quite a few others, who always seems to play very well against us!) then I think Belly does too much of the additional stuff that people don’t appreciate to even consider being replaced. He talks well, tidies up as a sweeper keeper, great distribution, and good shot stopping. I would occasionally like to see him more active for crosses but that can be a mistake waiting to happen too. I think we must stick with Belly unless there’s a seriously good proven keeper that wants to join, which isn’t Balcombe for first choice at this stage of his development EDIT: Ripley looks to be a free agent as he only signed a 1 year deal there according to the article at the time: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61958693 |
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on May 8, 2023 7:42:29 GMT
Unless it’s someone like Conor Ripley (mentioned on here numerous times before by me and by quite a few others, who always seems to play very well against us!) then I think Belly does too much of the additional stuff that people don’t appreciate to even consider being replaced. He talks well, tidies up as a sweeper keeper, great distribution, and good shot stopping. I would occasionally like to see him more active for crosses but that can be a mistake waiting to happen too. I think we must stick with Belly unless there’s a seriously good proven keeper that wants to join, which isn’t Balcombe for first choice at this stage of his development EDIT: Ripley looks to be a free agent as he only signed a 1 year deal there according to the article at the time: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61958693Belshaw is the best keeper we've had for years, probably since Nigel Martyn, and a lot of the dodgy moments he's had, have been due to our defense's inability to deal with the long ball. Be care what you wish for, signing quality goal keepers is really difficult. |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 8, 2023 7:53:12 GMT
We've no idea what the situation is with Belshaw if he does depart it could well be wants to leave the club, Belshaw's wife is expecting their first child this summer and that could have a bearing on where he wants to live/play next season.
The fact he started yesterday suggests there are no major issues between JB & Belshaw.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 7:59:07 GMT
Unless it’s someone like Conor Ripley (mentioned on here numerous times before by me and by quite a few others, who always seems to play very well against us!) then I think Belly does too much of the additional stuff that people don’t appreciate to even consider being replaced. He talks well, tidies up as a sweeper keeper, great distribution, and good shot stopping. I would occasionally like to see him more active for crosses but that can be a mistake waiting to happen too. I think we must stick with Belly unless there’s a seriously good proven keeper that wants to join, which isn’t Balcombe for first choice at this stage of his development EDIT: Ripley looks to be a free agent as he only signed a 1 year deal there according to the article at the time: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61958693Belshaw is the best keeper we've had for years, probably since Nigel Martyn, and a lot of the dodgy moments he's had, have been due to our defense's inability to deal with the long ball. Be care what you wish for, signing quality goal keepers is really difficult. also has that rare thing in a keeper these days who never gets injured. Balcombe is certainly not the answer. A keeper who punches at knee high will not improve us |
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Post by stillstanding on May 8, 2023 7:59:28 GMT
The whole goalkeeper fiasco seemed to me to upset our season and could have been avoided had JB not had such a poor January transfer window. He didn't get the players he needed or wanted so it was a face saver to bring in Balcombe, a position we didn't need. Belly was replaced for the first three games because that was part of the deal with Balcombe even though he wasn't playing badly, then we had the fiasco of being told his attitude was wrong in training and or he 'had a niggle' which is why he was dropped.
After January our form, which before Christmas had been ok, dropped badly and didn't really recover. Hardly surprising when the team gets messed around, no one feels secure, anxiety abounds.
Then guess what? We go to Oxford, Belshaw back between the posts and.....,we have a great afternoon. One of the better games for me this season. From what I've seen Balcombe doesn't seriously offer anything to make it worth displacing Belly at the moment. I'd also add that he seems eminently personable and a decent guy. Watching him interacting with some of the young fans waiting behind the goal during warm up says a lot about him.
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Post by Gaswood on May 8, 2023 8:04:14 GMT
Unless it’s someone like Conor Ripley (mentioned on here numerous times before by me and by quite a few others, who always seems to play very well against us!) then I think Belly does too much of the additional stuff that people don’t appreciate to even consider being replaced. He talks well, tidies up as a sweeper keeper, great distribution, and good shot stopping. I would occasionally like to see him more active for crosses but that can be a mistake waiting to happen too. I think we must stick with Belly unless there’s a seriously good proven keeper that wants to join, which isn’t Balcombe for first choice at this stage of his development EDIT: Ripley looks to be a free agent as he only signed a 1 year deal there according to the article at the time: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61958693Belshaw is the best keeper we've had for years, probably since Nigel Martyn, and a lot of the dodgy moments he's had, have been due to our defense's inability to deal with the long ball. Be care what you wish for, signing quality goal keepers is really difficult. Think you’ve mis-read my post which is very much saying Belly is a great keeper. Belshaw shouldn’t be replaced and I’m hoping we stick with him. He does a lot that he doesn’t get credit for, as I said. I’m saying that if Joey is going to do that, then the competition / replacement needs to be a quality proven addition such as Connor Ripley, and not a “promising loan” as we already have Jed Ward for that. |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 8, 2023 8:10:49 GMT
If it's all down to the Belshaw situation in January why have we had such a poor end to the season? None of us really know what's going on with Belshaw, is he staying next season or not, if not then whose decision was it for him to leave the club? Belshaw even admitted he had off the field issues at the time Balcombe was brought in.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on May 8, 2023 9:51:34 GMT
Belshaw is the best keeper we've had for years, probably since Nigel Martyn, and a lot of the dodgy moments he's had, have been due to our defense's inability to deal with the long ball. Be care what you wish for, signing quality goal keepers is really difficult. Think you’ve mis-read my post which is very much saying Belly is a great keeper. Belshaw shouldn’t be replaced and I’m hoping we stick with him. He does a lot that he doesn’t get credit for, as I said. I’m saying that if Joey is going to do that, then the competition / replacement needs to be a quality proven addition such as Connor Ripley, and not a “promising loan” as we already have Jed Ward for that. Fair play, but I can't see either as being happy as a bench warmer, which is what number two goal keepers ends up being. |
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Post by bridgwatergas on May 8, 2023 9:55:12 GMT
Wow… you weren’t at Shrewsbury then Correct I wasn't but tell me what could he have done 2 prevent either goal? I watched the game and thought he didn't do much wrong. |
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Post by bridgwatergas on May 8, 2023 10:02:12 GMT
I don't get the Belshaw love in at all is it because he jumps on the crossbar and pats the badge before the game. He is clearly not a league one goalkeeper he has cost us endless goals this season and gets beaten at his near post far too often.
Yesterday he caught a routine cross and the Thatchers end chant his name it's embarrassing. I get the Balcombe debate and how it possibly unsettled the team but it also was the same time that Quansah was bought into the side and he has been nowhere near good enough and for me that's where the issue lies. When he was suspended we looked more solid even with Connelly not having a great season.
We need a new keeper to progress and I'm not sure if Balcombe is ready but for me he is on a par to Belshaw and will in time be a better keeper.
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Post by bluestickgas1 on May 8, 2023 11:04:43 GMT
I don't get the Belshaw love in at all is it because he jumps on the crossbar and pats the badge before the game. He is clearly not a league one goalkeeper he has cost us endless goals this season and gets beaten at his near post far too often. Yesterday he caught a routine cross and the Thatchers end chant his name it's embarrassing. I get the Balcombe debate and how it possibly unsettled the team but it also was the same time that Quansah was bought into the side and he has been nowhere near good enough and for me that's where the issue lies. When he was suspended we looked more solid even with Connelly not having a great season. We need a new keeper to progress and I'm not sure if Balcombe is ready but for me he is on a par to Belshaw and will in time be a better keeper. Think you’re being harsh here… he clearly is a good goalkeeper and definitely is league 1 standard. He’s made mistakes and could improve but I genuinely haven’t seen a better all round keeper in League 1 or 2 this season… I do think Balcombe could be a decent keeper but he too has made mistakes and can improve… of the 2 I personally think Belshaw is the all round better keeper and that he’s saved us more times than cost us… our issue this season is that we’ve not had a consistent or strong enough defence in front of him and we have been prone to making defensive mistakes (which is not unexpected with the young inexperienced at League 1 level defence we have) and at this level they tend to get punished more frequently. |
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