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Post by DrFaustus on Jan 10, 2024 18:05:57 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Jan 10, 2024 18:29:56 GMT
If he’s going to pump out a load of nonsense, expect to get called out for it . I’m sure 79 is more than capable of looking after himself and dishing it out…..he has done before.
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 10, 2024 18:34:35 GMT
Desperate analogy but you go for it! "After the first dose of mRNA COVID-19 vaccine/Moderna, 65.6% participants experienced mild to moderate side-effects" These will largely be harmless but for some, depending on various factors, it was clearly more serious. Eat broccoli and 90% of people experience mild to moderate side-effects... You do understand the difference between an arm ache Vs heart problems? Heart problems was a 1 in 10,000 risk. How many lives were saved because of it? How many people didn't get seriously ill? In the UK, Covid vaccine saved over 100,000 people's lives. But hey, your mate should take priority because you know him. These numbers are given to us by whom? I acknowledged that side effects would be largely minor..but so are the effects of covid for the huge majority of people and we have an immune system right. The chap I spoke of is not my mate btw, he's the manager of my gym and is a pretty knowledgeable bloke with regards to health and wellbeing. What priority are you referring to? |
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 10, 2024 18:37:07 GMT
If he’s going to pump out a load of nonsense, expect to get called out for it . I’m sure 79 is more than capable of looking after himself and dishing it out…..he has done before. I don't believe it's nonsense. I believe the hype around covid and the competition for dollars between the 8 or so manufactured jabs are nonsense. Chinese people dropping in the street, TV show hosts hugging through plastic sheets, lockdowns, blue paper masks, sit down in the pubs...That's your ficking nonsense! |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 10, 2024 18:38:21 GMT
If he’s going to pump out a load of nonsense, expect to get called out for it . I’m sure 79 is more than capable of looking after himself and dishing it out…..he has done before. I don't believe it's nonsense. I believe the hype around covid and the competition for dollars between the 8 or so manufactured jabs are nonsense. Chinese people dropping in the street, TV show hosts hugging through plastic sheets, lockdowns, blue paper masks, sit down in the pubs...That's your ficking nonsense! Wotever 🙄👍 |
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Post by oldie on Jan 10, 2024 19:10:44 GMT
But Grant, this is the point. From your link "Conclusion The personal and public health benefits of COVID-19 vaccination much outweigh the minor cardiac risks. Reporting bias, regarding more available mRNA vaccines in developed countries, may conflict these results." Most of us accept this. Re our previous discussion the issues that sadly afflicted you post vaccine, as I said I took the vaccines, both variants, whilst already having heart issues, specifically Atrial fibrillation and low blood pressure (a conflict, perhaps) To date there is no known impact on those pre existing conditions. Will that be the case long term (as long as that can be at my age😂)? I don't know. But I am not the "puppet" that GH79 is suggesting. It's a choice, a balance of risk. Now I could just be "lucky", but it appears that the vast majority are then, when it comes to COVID vaccines. As long as I am around I shall continue to accept the annual updated boosters if offered. Regardless of what unqualified blokes down the Gymn say. |
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Post by DrFaustus on Jan 10, 2024 19:40:33 GMT
Les, my point is that 1.62% is not 1 in 10,000.
If 40 million people in this country had jabs, that's 648,000 folk who are likely to have developed myocarditis. That's quite frightening.
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Post by oldie on Jan 10, 2024 20:05:04 GMT
Les, my point is that 1.62% is not 1 in 10,000. If 40 million people in this country had jabs, that's 648,000 folk who are likely to have developed myocarditis. That's quite frightening. Yes But if there was actually that number, don't you think the NHS would have released that data? Plus, "While reports of myocarditis following any Covid-19 vaccine are rare, cases are more common in young males aged 18 to 29 years following the second dose. Most people who have been affected have experienced a mild illness and recovered without medical treatment. Myocarditis can cause heart scarring that can be detected with cardiac MRI – there is a small chance of scarring causing a life-threatening arrhythmia in the future, and therefore people who are affected are likely to be offered long-term follow-up and monitoring. Research has found that Covid-19 itself is much more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine is, and people who are vaccinated have a much lower risk of getting other serious complications caused by Covid-19. " From the British Heart Foundation On balance then? |
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Post by gashead79 on Jan 11, 2024 7:54:08 GMT
It's classic keyboard warrior stuff Dr. As long as the handful of them here agree with eachother and see my points as unworthy, it's a green light to treat me like this. My views(which are the same as lots of others) on covid/jabs/response have remained consistent since the very beginning. My opinion has remained and I have had lots of conversations with strangers, colleagues, family and friends over the last 4 years on the topic. It's been a hot topic so most people have something to say! Not once has anybody who trusts pharma/the government response, has a person used the same language that gets used on this chat board. Not once. It does affect me though, because I know this is an echo chamber of a small group of people who have found some sense of belonging on a chat board. Speaking to people returns a different experience and I don't call people names neither get called any. The thread got named by a mod btw. After sending a polite request it was deemed necessary to name a thread after me. So there's a green light from the moderators which is fantastic🤷♂️ There's been a few contributions that loosely agree with some of my points but it's noticed that they scarper once the residents jump on on flatly ignore. It will come to realisation in the end, I'm sure of it. |
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Post by supergas on Jan 11, 2024 8:13:07 GMT
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Post by DrFaustus on Jan 11, 2024 8:37:59 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Jan 11, 2024 8:46:25 GMT
It’s 79 who keeps (knowingly) posting provocative posts on here to keep the thread going . |
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Post by supergas on Jan 11, 2024 9:00:03 GMT
This whole thread has turned into an important lesson on how to find, understand and pass on important but very technical information about a very important subject. You can ignore this request but surely someone here can help me understand that link you've posted. It mentions that 1.62% figure twice: and I've read the article, and I've looked at the citations (120,121 and 122) to try to understand where that 1.62% figure has come from and what exactly it relates to....and I'm happy to note I am not an expert on the subject, but to the untrained eye, a figure of nearly two people out of every hundred vaccinated suffering heart problems sounds way, way too high based on personal experience, let alone wider media coverage... |
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Post by DrFaustus on Jan 11, 2024 11:25:07 GMT
It’s 79 who keeps (knowingly) posting provocative posts on here to keep the thread going . Calling him stupid isn't provocative then? |
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Post by oldie on Jan 11, 2024 13:02:05 GMT
It’s 79 who keeps (knowingly) posting provocative posts on here to keep the thread going . Calling him stupid isn't provocative then? Perhaps But having just read his last rant I have to ask. If he really believes that description of posters to this segment why keep posting up content which he knows will draw a response he so dislikes? That is something I do not understand |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 11, 2024 13:10:49 GMT
It’s 79 who keeps (knowingly) posting provocative posts on here to keep the thread going . Calling him stupid isn't provocative then? Like I said before , he’s dished it out in the past. I’ve no problems with him on a personal level as I don’t know the guy. If he posts something I think Is really stupid I’ll call it out. Likewise if I post something that’s nonsense I’d expect to get called out for it . UTG 😃 |
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Post by DrFaustus on Jan 11, 2024 13:35:08 GMT
OK thanks.
Higher up the thread, I said that there would probably not be any more Covid vaccine going in me, yet nobody slagged me off. It seems to me if G79 had said that, he'd have been mocked.
We all have different opinions on everty aspect of life and should all of us probably make more effort to respect the views of others*
*Except for those who claim Queen, U2, Muse or Oasis made any good music.
Or people who don't like Marmite.
🏴☠️
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Post by oldie on Jan 11, 2024 13:44:56 GMT
OK thanks. Higher up the thread, I said that there would probably not be any more Covid vaccine going in me, yet nobody slagged me off. It seems to me if G79 had said that, he'd have been mocked. We all have different opinions on everty aspect of life and should all of us probably make more effort to respect the views of others* *Except for those who claim Queen, U2, Muse or Oasis made any good music. Or people who don't like Marmite. 🏴☠️ Because your decision was logical. In any event, who doesn't like a cheddar and marmite toastie? One of the world's finest. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 11, 2024 14:54:06 GMT
OK thanks. Higher up the thread, I said that there would probably not be any more Covid vaccine going in me, yet nobody slagged me off. It seems to me if G79 had said that, he'd have been mocked. We all have different opinions on everty aspect of life and should all of us probably make more effort to respect the views of others* *Except for those who claim Queen, U2, Muse or Oasis made any good music. Or people who don't like Marmite. 🏴☠️ Love Marmite , if @79 does as well that’s a full house and we can all die happy 😃 |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 11, 2024 17:41:27 GMT
This whole thread has turned into an important lesson on how to find, understand and pass on important but very technical information about a very important subject. You can ignore this request but surely someone here can help me understand that link you've posted. It mentions that 1.62% figure twice: and I've read the article, and I've looked at the citations (120,121 and 122) to try to understand where that 1.62% figure has come from and what exactly it relates to....and I'm happy to note I am not an expert on the subject, but to the untrained eye, a figure of nearly two people out of every hundred vaccinated suffering heart problems sounds way, way too high based on personal experience, let alone wider media coverage... I've just had a read and honestly, I don't know. The articles they reference state it was something like 0.04%. I'm guessing it must have something to do with the data they've pulled, but I'm not smart enough to work it out? Also the 1 in 10,000 figure I was given was from a GP who was running a Moderna clinical trial (in answer to some of the questions above). |
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