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Post by supergas on Mar 14, 2024 7:32:50 GMT
As I always like to do I google the names and see what else pops up... Mike Yeadon (a former vice president of Pfizer) has a long track record of being proved wrong. In an October 2020 blog he claimed that: He has also claimed that: COVID-19 vaccines are unnecessary, unsafe, and could cause infertility in women. He claimed that mRNA vaccines could target the syncytin-1 protein needed for placenta formation. A Telegram account under his name has claimed that the vaccines cause recipients to become magnetized. He has claimed that children were "...50 times more likely to be killed by the COVID vaccines than the virus itself..." For the avoidance of doubt, I have summarised the evidence he has to back up these claims:  _ |
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Post by francegas on Mar 14, 2024 12:18:55 GMT
I'm no doctor, professor in medicine etc so can only say what I've been told. I'll also say I'm not an anti vaxer although have taken the decision not to have further boosters.
Last May our neighbour was diagnosed with Motor Neurone disease and was given a max of 5 years to live. When we were in Cambodia we received notification that unfortunately he had passed away. We had noticed how quickly he went down hill and his health deteriorated.
Yesterday we went over to pass on our condolences to his wife. She told us that in France there is a vast increase in diagnosis of this disease through no explanation as many people diagnosed is genetic and hereditary but the increase in numbers are not. Our neighbour had received all covid vaccines and all boosters and his doctor believes his diagnosis is "possibly" through the vaccines he had received.
In the afternoon my wife was teaching a private client and she was told exactly the same by someone who works in the medical profession.
Apparently now in France they are investigating whether the increased numbers are related to the vaccine.
I'm only relaying what we have been told I don't know what's right or wrong or have any answers.
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Post by yattongas on Mar 14, 2024 13:23:41 GMT
I'm no doctor, professor in medicine etc so can only say what I've been told. I'll also say I'm not an anti vaxer although have taken the decision not to have further boosters. Last May our neighbour was diagnosed with Motor Neurone disease and was given a max of 5 years to live. When we were in Cambodia we received notification that unfortunately he had passed away. We had noticed how quickly he went down hill and his health deteriorated. Yesterday we went over to pass on our condolences to his wife. She told us that in France there is a vast increase in diagnosis of this disease through no explanation as many people diagnosed is genetic and hereditary but the increase in numbers are not. Our neighbour had received all covid vaccines and all boosters and his doctor believes his diagnosis is "possibly" through the vaccines he had received. In the afternoon my wife was teaching a private client and she was told exactly the same by someone who works in the medical profession. Apparently now in France they are investigating whether the increased numbers are related to the vaccine. I'm only relaying what we have been told I don't know what's right or wrong or have any answers. Anecdote isn’t an example of evidence . My mum (rip) was convinced my nephew's autism was down to him having the MMR vaccine. Obvs it wasn’t but people want something or someone to blame. It’s sad and understandable but doesn’t make it factual. |
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Post by oldie on Mar 14, 2024 14:07:06 GMT
I'm no doctor, professor in medicine etc so can only say what I've been told. I'll also say I'm not an anti vaxer although have taken the decision not to have further boosters. Last May our neighbour was diagnosed with Motor Neurone disease and was given a max of 5 years to live. When we were in Cambodia we received notification that unfortunately he had passed away. We had noticed how quickly he went down hill and his health deteriorated. Yesterday we went over to pass on our condolences to his wife. She told us that in France there is a vast increase in diagnosis of this disease through no explanation as many people diagnosed is genetic and hereditary but the increase in numbers are not. Our neighbour had received all covid vaccines and all boosters and his doctor believes his diagnosis is "possibly" through the vaccines he had received. In the afternoon my wife was teaching a private client and she was told exactly the same by someone who works in the medical profession. Apparently now in France they are investigating whether the increased numbers are related to the vaccine. I'm only relaying what we have been told I don't know what's right or wrong or have any answers. Anecdote isn’t an example of evidence . My mum (rip) was convinced my nephew's autism was down to him having the MMR vaccine. Obvs it wasn’t but people want something or someone to blame. It’s sad and understandable but doesn’t make it factual. Correct |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 14, 2024 20:42:45 GMT
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Post by gashead79 on Mar 16, 2024 0:02:25 GMT
I'm no doctor, professor in medicine etc so can only say what I've been told. I'll also say I'm not an anti vaxer although have taken the decision not to have further boosters. Last May our neighbour was diagnosed with Motor Neurone disease and was given a max of 5 years to live. When we were in Cambodia we received notification that unfortunately he had passed away. We had noticed how quickly he went down hill and his health deteriorated. Yesterday we went over to pass on our condolences to his wife. She told us that in France there is a vast increase in diagnosis of this disease through no explanation as many people diagnosed is genetic and hereditary but the increase in numbers are not. Our neighbour had received all covid vaccines and all boosters and his doctor believes his diagnosis is "possibly" through the vaccines he had received. In the afternoon my wife was teaching a private client and she was told exactly the same by someone who works in the medical profession. Apparently now in France they are investigating whether the increased numbers are related to the vaccine. I'm only relaying what we have been told I don't know what's right or wrong or have any answers. Anecdote isn’t an example of evidence . My mum (rip) was convinced my nephew's autism was down to him having the MMR vaccine. Obvs it wasn’t but people want something or someone to blame. It’s sad and understandable but doesn’t make it factual. That works both ways.. Also FG wasn't attempting to provide evidence or fact, merely passing on information which some are quick to sweep under the carpet. It should be interesting, especially for those of you who took the meds. There is a some regurgitated news around on the explosion in cases of cancer also, the fact that the authorities are using the date range 1990-2019 is intriguing. Just seen this on twitter which appears to be an acknowledgement. A new UK charity to cater for people who are vaccine injured or families who have suffered bereavement. www.ukcvfamily.org/Good to see that orgs can raise funds for those who would have been ignored or scoffed at previously. |
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Post by supergas on Mar 16, 2024 9:42:56 GMT
Anecdote isn’t an example of evidence . My mum (rip) was convinced my nephew's autism was down to him having the MMR vaccine. Obvs it wasn’t but people want something or someone to blame. It’s sad and understandable but doesn’t make it factual. That works both ways.. Also FG wasn't attempting to provide evidence or fact, merely passing on information which some are quick to sweep under the carpet. It should be interesting, especially for those of you who took the meds. There is a some regurgitated news around on the explosion in cases of cancer also, the fact that the authorities are using the date range 1990-2019 is intriguing. Just seen this on twitter which appears to be an acknowledgement. A new UK charity to cater for people who are vaccine injured or families who have suffered bereavement. www.ukcvfamily.org/Good to see that orgs can raise funds for those who would have been ignored or scoffed at previously. Evidence comes from using a wide range of data and calculating how things are actually happening across the population as a whole. I googled MND rates in France, nothing post-covid comes up - not even any conspiracy theories... |
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Post by gashead79 on Mar 17, 2024 9:16:00 GMT
That works both ways.. Also FG wasn't attempting to provide evidence or fact, merely passing on information which some are quick to sweep under the carpet. It should be interesting, especially for those of you who took the meds. There is a some regurgitated news around on the explosion in cases of cancer also, the fact that the authorities are using the date range 1990-2019 is intriguing. Just seen this on twitter which appears to be an acknowledgement. A new UK charity to cater for people who are vaccine injured or families who have suffered bereavement. www.ukcvfamily.org/Good to see that orgs can raise funds for those who would have been ignored or scoffed at previously. Evidence comes from using a wide range of data and calculating how things are actually happening across the population as a whole. I googled MND rates in France, nothing post-covid comes up - not even any conspiracy theories... Well, evidence can come from a personal experience or recollection no? Either way, I only noted that FG wasn't giving evidence-an accusation from Yatton. |
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Post by supergas on Mar 17, 2024 9:26:45 GMT
Evidence comes from using a wide range of data and calculating how things are actually happening across the population as a whole. I googled MND rates in France, nothing post-covid comes up - not even any conspiracy theories... Well, evidence can come from a personal experience or recollection no? Either way, I only noted that FG wasn't giving evidence-an accusation from Yatton. But you seem to be extrapolating first-hand evidence to cover the whole population. Why is that nonsense? Take this example: on average two people in the US are killed by vending machines every year. On the flip side there are tens of billions of successful transactions where no one dies... If you were looking at those numbers the same way you look at covid/vaccine data, you'd be saying all vending machines should be banned as two people have died. If you knew someone who died you'd be even more convinced that vending machines were the problem... ...the rest of us look at those number and just continue to use vending machines... |
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Post by francegas on Mar 18, 2024 8:42:14 GMT
That works both ways.. Also FG wasn't attempting to provide evidence or fact, merely passing on information which some are quick to sweep under the carpet. It should be interesting, especially for those of you who took the meds. There is a some regurgitated news around on the explosion in cases of cancer also, the fact that the authorities are using the date range 1990-2019 is intriguing. Just seen this on twitter which appears to be an acknowledgement. A new UK charity to cater for people who are vaccine injured or families who have suffered bereavement. www.ukcvfamily.org/Good to see that orgs can raise funds for those who would have been ignored or scoffed at previously. Evidence comes from using a wide range of data and calculating how things are actually happening across the population as a whole. I googled MND rates in France, nothing post-covid comes up - not even any conspiracy theories... The disease I was referring to is Charcot disease (that's what it's referred to here) a fatal disease which falls under the umbrella of MND. Not trying to pass on any conspiracy theories at all I'm just passing on information that was passed to us by people working in the medical profession here that scientists are investigating whether the unexplained rise in cases could "potentially" have a link to the covid vaccine. |
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Post by gashead79 on Mar 18, 2024 11:22:01 GMT
Well, evidence can come from a personal experience or recollection no? Either way, I only noted that FG wasn't giving evidence-an accusation from Yatton. But you seem to be extrapolating first-hand evidence to cover the whole population. Why is that nonsense? Take this example: on average two people in the US are killed by vending machines every year. On the flip side there are tens of billions of successful transactions where no one dies... If you were looking at those numbers the same way you look at covid/vaccine data, you'd be saying all vending machines should be banned as two people have died. If you knew someone who died you'd be even more convinced that vending machines were the problem... ...the rest of us look at those number and just continue to use vending machines... There's no need for you to bother trying to make a mockery of my points. Neither making false accusations. I listen to accounts and see alternative (to the original narrative) information online which offers a different side to what we were told. I am intrigued by the claims by some, that there are links to excess deaths, illnesses etc from the jabs. In fact, more than intrigued, I'm almost certain that the jabs are doing a great deal of harm-to a degree that is far worse than the good that we were forced into believing. So no, I don't apply this to the whole population at all. Most people who 'chose' to get a jab are fine. So are most people who smoke or drink, but there are clearly some who are suffering. I also think(based on anecdote and gossip) that these jabs are causing other issues which haven't or may never be officially linked. Things like miscarriages, fertility problems and suchlike. I believe there was a cash cow and pharma took full advantage. Wealth over health. If you weren't on-board you were silenced and/or mocked. After 4 years(ish), my feelings are only reinforced, meanwhile there are plenty who's stance has changed. Just ask around. |
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Post by aghast on Mar 18, 2024 23:13:12 GMT
Funny how the dissenters think they know better because they have investigated alternative information sources, whilst assuming the rest of us don't possess enough gumption to do that ourselves.
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Post by gashead79 on Mar 20, 2024 18:59:29 GMT
Funny how the dissenters think they know better because they have investigated alternative information sources, whilst assuming the rest of us don't possess enough gumption to do that ourselves. Dissenters eh🤷♂️ Interesting language.. But no, I don't think you do. Or at least it's not evident. People dying out here and it's not even newsworthy. Perhaps it really is climate change or long covid. |
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Post by oldie on Mar 20, 2024 21:23:08 GMT
Funny how the dissenters think they know better because they have investigated alternative information sources, whilst assuming the rest of us don't possess enough gumption to do that ourselves. Dissenters eh🤷♂️ Interesting language.. But no, I don't think you do. Or at least it's not evident. People dying out here and it's not even newsworthy. Perhaps it really is climate change or long covid. 😂😂 Really How do you know that? You dont |
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Post by aghast on Mar 20, 2024 23:40:27 GMT
Funny how the dissenters think they know better because they have investigated alternative information sources, whilst assuming the rest of us don't possess enough gumption to do that ourselves. Dissenters eh🤷♂️ Interesting language.. But no, I don't think you do. Or at least it's not evident. People dying out here and it's not even newsworthy. Perhaps it really is climate change or long covid. People dying out here? This isn't Gaza. Get a grip and stop being ridiculous. |
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Post by supergas on Mar 21, 2024 7:28:28 GMT
But you seem to be extrapolating first-hand evidence to cover the whole population. Why is that nonsense? Take this example: on average two people in the US are killed by vending machines every year. On the flip side there are tens of billions of successful transactions where no one dies... If you were looking at those numbers the same way you look at covid/vaccine data, you'd be saying all vending machines should be banned as two people have died. If you knew someone who died you'd be even more convinced that vending machines were the problem... ...the rest of us look at those number and just continue to use vending machines... There's no need for you to bother trying to make a mockery of my points. Neither making false accusations. I listen to accounts and see alternative (to the original narrative) information online which offers a different side to what we were told. I am intrigued by the claims by some, that there are links to excess deaths, illnesses etc from the jabs. In fact, more than intrigued, I'm almost certain that the jabs are doing a great deal of harm-to a degree that is far worse than the good that we were forced into believing. So no, I don't apply this to the whole population at all. Most people who 'chose' to get a jab are fine. So are most people who smoke or drink, but there are clearly some who are suffering. I also think(based on anecdote and gossip) that these jabs are causing other issues which haven't or may never be officially linked. Things like miscarriages, fertility problems and suchlike. I believe there was a cash cow and pharma took full advantage. Wealth over health. If you weren't on-board you were silenced and/or mocked. After 4 years(ish), my feelings are only reinforced, meanwhile there are plenty who's stance has changed. Just ask around. What do you mean by most when you say "... most people who 'chose' to get a jab are fine..."? 90%? 95%? 99%? 99.9%? 99.99...%? It was only a few pages back in this thread where there were outlandish and easily disproved claims that somewhere between 1-2% of the population were suffering serious heart conditions after being vaccinated - so I will happily spend my time debunking the various claims being made about the safety of the vaccine whilst nonsense like that is being shared. As to your claims about "...pharma taking full advantage..." and making a fortune from Covid (completely different claim from the safety risk), what actually is your issue? Was there a global pandemic? Yes. Was it threatening millions of lives? Yes. So should we have engaged those companies who could create and provide a vaccine to save lives, or just left people to die? |
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Post by oldie on Mar 21, 2024 8:47:49 GMT
There's no need for you to bother trying to make a mockery of my points. Neither making false accusations. I listen to accounts and see alternative (to the original narrative) information online which offers a different side to what we were told. I am intrigued by the claims by some, that there are links to excess deaths, illnesses etc from the jabs. In fact, more than intrigued, I'm almost certain that the jabs are doing a great deal of harm-to a degree that is far worse than the good that we were forced into believing. So no, I don't apply this to the whole population at all. Most people who 'chose' to get a jab are fine. So are most people who smoke or drink, but there are clearly some who are suffering. I also think(based on anecdote and gossip) that these jabs are causing other issues which haven't or may never be officially linked. Things like miscarriages, fertility problems and suchlike. I believe there was a cash cow and pharma took full advantage. Wealth over health. If you weren't on-board you were silenced and/or mocked. After 4 years(ish), my feelings are only reinforced, meanwhile there are plenty who's stance has changed. Just ask around. What do you mean by most when you say "... most people who 'chose' to get a jab are fine..."? 90%? 95%? 99%? 99.9%? 99.99...%? It was only a few pages back in this thread where there were outlandish and easily disproved claims that somewhere between 1-2% of the population were suffering serious heart conditions after being vaccinated - so I will happily spend my time debunking the various claims being made about the safety of the vaccine whilst nonsense like that is being shared. As to your claims about "...pharma taking full advantage..." and making a fortune from Covid (completely different claim from the safety risk), what actually is your issue? Was there a global pandemic? Yes. Was it threatening millions of lives? Yes. So should we have engaged those companies who could create and provide a vaccine to save lives, or just left people to die? It's pointless using such logic with this guy Super. All of his points are predicated upon believing that the whole COVID Pandemic was a scam. Over blown to fill the coffers of big pharma, who then provided vaccines that were inherently unsafe. With that mindset he then desperately scours the internet searching for tit bits which he then convinces himself "proves his point" |
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Post by supergas on Mar 21, 2024 9:39:35 GMT
What do you mean by most when you say "... most people who 'chose' to get a jab are fine..."? 90%? 95%? 99%? 99.9%? 99.99...%? It was only a few pages back in this thread where there were outlandish and easily disproved claims that somewhere between 1-2% of the population were suffering serious heart conditions after being vaccinated - so I will happily spend my time debunking the various claims being made about the safety of the vaccine whilst nonsense like that is being shared. As to your claims about "...pharma taking full advantage..." and making a fortune from Covid (completely different claim from the safety risk), what actually is your issue? Was there a global pandemic? Yes. Was it threatening millions of lives? Yes. So should we have engaged those companies who could create and provide a vaccine to save lives, or just left people to die? It's pointless using such logic with this guy Super. All of his points are predicated upon believing that the whole COVID Pandemic was a scam. Over blown to fill the coffers of big pharma, who then provided vaccines that were inherently unsafe. With that mindset he then desperately scours the internet searching for tit bits which he then convinces himself "proves his point" It's a good mental experiment for me to think about what people are claiming, research it and then reach my own conclusions. I do the same with politics, but with that topic on this forum there are even fewer people open to learning more and potentially changing their minds... |
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Post by oldie on Mar 21, 2024 14:09:51 GMT
It's pointless using such logic with this guy Super. All of his points are predicated upon believing that the whole COVID Pandemic was a scam. Over blown to fill the coffers of big pharma, who then provided vaccines that were inherently unsafe. With that mindset he then desperately scours the internet searching for tit bits which he then convinces himself "proves his point" It's a good mental experiment for me to think about what people are claiming, research it and then reach my own conclusions. I do the same with politics, but with that topic on this forum there are even fewer people open to learning more and potentially changing their minds... 😱😂 I think the real issue here is that so few engage |
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Post by aghast on Mar 21, 2024 22:09:43 GMT
I'd still like to know why Big Pharma, having created the epidemic in some lab in China or something (although that might not be what is claimed, on here at least), with the aim of selling as many jabs as possible to make squillions of £££, then release a jab which apparently kills or disables loads of us and is then discredited and nobody wants it any more.
These bogus theories are made up of all sorts of bits and pieces that might have some tiny if insignificant shred of evidence in isolation, but when put together to make a coherent story, fail miserably.
I know a few of these people and they live in a sad paranoid world where they think everyone is out to get us. It's so obvious to them and the other 99.99% are deluded. Even though they actually post their sources, which are quickly discredited. No matter. There's always another quackologist out there to feed them morsels.
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