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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 16, 2023 9:00:52 GMT
If we can get our act together it may well spur Lansdown on and in turn, motivate us further.
Who knows, in the next 5 years there may be a double promotion like there was in 1990.
(I'd better stay off the cheese before bed. 😃)
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Post by gulfofaden on Jul 16, 2023 9:42:51 GMT
It’s not about size. Bristol is hard to define as South Gloucestershire claims areas commonly thought of as Bristol. If these are included Bristol is as big as Sheffield and even Liverpool. We just don’t think of ourselves as big nor as football centric. Rovers fans are pretty passionate but we tend not to be expecting much in the way of success. Maybe the Liverpool bred attitude percolating from JB will have an effect? It’s nice to think we only must believe and our wish will be granted, but the reality is fan’s attitudes only go so far. I think the main issue is we are a 2 club city. We also are a long way from the congested London, midland and northern regions which host a multitude of clubs and therefore are attractive to players looking to find a long term base to live. Down here, within an hour (ish) we have 6 league clubs, none of which are premiership. One Bristol club is suffering from a long term poor financial position having barely survived a few times. The other has money and to be fair to City, they may get a shot at premiership if they keep going. They are an established championship side. This could be the case for rovers if we had a decent stadium. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jul 16, 2023 9:58:50 GMT
Bristol has always been a Footballing City. It still has the biggest amateur and Semi Pro Football set up outside London. So the people playing Football is higher than anywhere else other than the capital. Also if you add up both Rovers and City's average attendances it makes up pretty much 30k, if Rovers had a better stadium it would be even more. That's not too bad considering both clubs have never had any success. To be fair, City did make it to the promised land of the old First Division, and survived for several seasons. From memory they might have even been top after a few games had been played, a nasty injury to Paul Cheesely blighted that era for them. They were top at one stage, albeit for one night. The stadium was packed and no one could say that Bristol is not a football city but one starved of success. I was there when Cheeseley done his knee, Vs Stoke and it was bloody nasty, on purpose and ruined what could have been a stellar career. Red or not, he was a superb striker |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 16, 2023 10:22:29 GMT
It’s not about size. Bristol is hard to define as South Gloucestershire claims areas commonly thought of as Bristol. If these are included Bristol is as big as Sheffield and even Liverpool. We just don’t think of ourselves as big nor as football centric. Rovers fans are pretty passionate but we tend not to be expecting much in the way of success. Maybe the Liverpool bred attitude percolating from JB will have an effect? It’s nice to think we only must believe and our wish will be granted, but the reality is fan’s attitudes only go so far. I think the main issue is we are a 2 club city. We also are a long way from the congested London, midland and northern regions which host a multitude of clubs and therefore are attractive to players looking to find a long term base to live. Down here, within an hour (ish) we have 6 league clubs, none of which are premiership. One Bristol club is suffering from a long term poor financial position having barely survived a few times. The other has money and to be fair to City, they may get a shot at premiership if they keep going. They are an established championship side. This could be the case for rovers if we had a decent stadium. Sheffield and Liverpool are also two club cities so that can't be the main reason? I just wonder what happened back in the 50's when Eastville always seemed to be packed but we still never even got promoted from Div 3 South? |
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Post by The Equaliser on Jul 16, 2023 10:38:51 GMT
Bristol has always been generally more affluent than many other areas, there is lots of other things Bristol people enjoy doing. As such sport is not top of the list for attending and supporting.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jul 16, 2023 10:47:25 GMT
Within an hour of Sheffield:
Huddersfield town
Barnsley
Rotherham
Leeds
Bradford
Mansfield
Nottingham forest
Notts county
Lincoln
Derby
I know where I would live as a footballer. If you go up to an hour 30 you get a load more clubs.
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Post by gasgas3 on Jul 16, 2023 11:33:21 GMT
We have had and still have massive talent in Bristol. Unfortunately for us they end up being dispersed to other Academies and teams further up the pyramid.
As others have said our Step 3,4,5,6 clubs have an abundance of really good players.
If either Bristol clubs make the promise land, then players and more importantly coaches managers and back room staff will follow.
I follow the gas and local non league, and some of the talent we have is just unreal.
However if you’re not on the roundabout of players or coaches that somehow make it to league level then that’s what you get.
I can’t stand the Shity, but I have to be honest if they are the ones that make the prem before us, it can only help Bristols cause for a football city.
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Post by badengas on Jul 16, 2023 11:35:42 GMT
Within an hour of Sheffield: Huddersfield town Barnsley Rotherham Leeds Bradford Mansfield Nottingham forest Notts county Lincoln Derby I know where I would live as a footballer. If you go up to an hour 30 you get a load more clubs. Within an hour of Bristol Cardiff Newport Hereford Cheltenham FGR Swindon Reading Yeovil Can't see the problem. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 16, 2023 11:58:03 GMT
Bristol has always been generally more affluent than many other areas, there is lots of other things Bristol people enjoy doing. As such sport is not top of the list for attending and supporting. But if either club is successful their stadiums would be packed, City would sell out AG and we'd probably do the same at the FM, or even a redeveloped Mem |
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Post by gulfofaden on Jul 16, 2023 11:59:55 GMT
Within an hour of Sheffield: Huddersfield town Barnsley Rotherham Leeds Bradford Mansfield Nottingham forest Notts county Lincoln Derby I know where I would live as a footballer. If you go up to an hour 30 you get a load more clubs. Within an hour of Bristol Cardiff Newport Hereford Cheltenham FGR Swindon Reading Yeovil Can't see the problem. Reading is an hour and a half. Yeovil and Hereford are in the national league north and south. Forest green are an anomaly. Those clubs don’t get anywhere near the ones up there. Big difference. |
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Post by The Equaliser on Jul 16, 2023 12:03:45 GMT
Bristol has always been generally more affluent than many other areas, there is lots of other things Bristol people enjoy doing. As such sport is not top of the list for attending and supporting. But if either club is successful their stadiums would be packed, City would sell out AG and we'd probably do the same at the FM, or even a redeveloped Mem I dare say so, however do you think either club would fill a St James Park, Emirates, Old Trafford? |
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Post by Kipper on Jul 16, 2023 12:05:48 GMT
Reading is 50 minutes away by train from Bristol Parkway.
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Post by stapletongas on Jul 16, 2023 12:14:46 GMT
History and location History - any club missing the bus of getting into the top flight 20 years ago, is now a world apart in terms of finance and infrastructure, so very difficult catching up and getting there now. Look how many clubs bigger than us have tried and failed chucking money at it that they don’t have. Location - unlike clutches of midlands Yorkshire, Lancashire clubs, where players can move around without moving home or disrupting family life, we are at a disadvantage. Plus while Bristol is a great city to live in, it’s very expensive. Get used to 3rd tier, it’s prob the best we’ll ever have. The real reason we've not made it in recent years is lack of ambition or money, we blew promotion when we signed kids under Holloway. Lambert was sold and the transfer money never really reinvested. Then we just let the likes of Boden and Taylor leave without signing similar quality when DC seemed to be building momentum. Perhaps finally building a new stand to increase ground capacity is a sign we're trying to get the finances right for a promotion push 🤞 I'm talking about the top flight not the Championship. |
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Post by gasgas3 on Jul 16, 2023 12:19:55 GMT
But if either club is successful their stadiums would be packed, City would sell out AG and we'd probably do the same at the FM, or even a redeveloped Mem I dare say so, however do you think either club would fill a St James Park, Emirates, Old Trafford? 100%. Gas v Grim Wembley, tells me that. City not so sure, but until either are in the Prem we will never know. |
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Jul 16, 2023 12:32:36 GMT
History and location History - any club missing the bus of getting into the top flight 20 years ago, is now a world apart in terms of finance and infrastructure, so very difficult catching up and getting there now. Look how many clubs bigger than us have tried and failed chucking money at it that they don’t have. Location - unlike clutches of midlands Yorkshire, Lancashire clubs, where players can move around without moving home or disrupting family life, we are at a disadvantage. Plus while Bristol is a great city to live in, it’s very expensive. Get used to 3rd tier, it’s prob the best we’ll ever have. The same applies to Plymouth, Swansea and Cardiff but they've all managed to get promoted to at least the Championship? The real reason we've not made it in recent years is lack of ambition or money, we blew promotion when we signed kids under Holloway. Lambert was sold and the transfer money never really reinvested. Then we just let the likes of Boden and Taylor leave without signing similar quality when DC seemed to be building momentum. Perhaps finally building a new stand to increase ground capacity is a sign we're trying to get the finances right for a promotion push 🤞 Plymouth, Swansea and Cardiff are all single club cities, and haven't exactly set the world on fire. Bodin and Taylor were able to take advantage of leaving near the ends of their contracts, so we were never going to be able to demand a large fee. Don't forget that the Lambert money was wisely invested in a long drawn out legal fight with the Sainsbury corporation. Worth every penny in my opinion. I still avoid them to this day. |
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Post by supergas on Jul 16, 2023 12:54:38 GMT
Within an hour of Sheffield: Huddersfield town Barnsley Rotherham Leeds Bradford Mansfield Nottingham forest Notts county Lincoln Derby I know where I would live as a footballer. If you go up to an hour 30 you get a load more clubs. Within an hour of Bristol Cardiff Newport Hereford Cheltenham FGR Swindon Reading Yeovil Can't see the problem. Our geographical location has been brought up as an issue by different managers at different times for different reasons - it has clearly been a problem in the past getting loan players in (especially in January), as well as backroom staff.... ...that in turn means we are probably paying a premium for those players who are not already based locally (ie the majority). |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jul 16, 2023 13:00:32 GMT
Within an hour of Sheffield: Huddersfield town Barnsley Rotherham Leeds Bradford Mansfield Nottingham forest Notts county Lincoln Derby I know where I would live as a footballer. If you go up to an hour 30 you get a load more clubs. Within an hour of Bristol Cardiff Newport Hereford Cheltenham FGR Swindon Reading Yeovil Can't see the problem. Brilliant, bring back the Lol button. Nottingham Forest or Forest Green Rovers - you decide!  |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jul 16, 2023 13:04:01 GMT
But if either club is successful their stadiums would be packed, City would sell out AG and we'd probably do the same at the FM, or even a redeveloped Mem I dare say so, however do you think either club would fill a St James Park, Emirates, Old Trafford? At first, they probably would. However, gates would eventually drop for the visits of the "smaller" Premiership clubs, and by season two (assuming relegation was avoided), I think they would only sell out for the "big boys" (Man City, Chelsea etc). I think this was the pattern for City when they were in the old First Division, although they maintained a good away following, I believe. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 16, 2023 13:07:44 GMT
But if either club is successful their stadiums would be packed, City would sell out AG and we'd probably do the same at the FM, or even a redeveloped Mem I dare say so, however do you think either club would fill a St James Park, Emirates, Old Trafford? Like I mentioned previously if you add up Rovers and City's average attendances currently its pretty much 30k. Considering both clubs are bang average in their respective Divisions that's not to shabby. If they were to have success and many years at the top table I am sure they could. |
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Post by gas2 on Jul 16, 2023 13:34:04 GMT
When you think over the years Bristol has produced some much football talent its hard to think wny the two clubs have never succeed better
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