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Post by Gastafari on Aug 23, 2023 8:57:58 GMT
From a legalistic viewpoint surely any content relating solely to the football club is the intellectual property of the club? No employee should be able to generate income from that property, surely? Whatever the stated intentions of that income. I have never known a situation where that is not true. Hallelujah, Spot on, It is so very, very wrong, biggest pity is that a vast majority cannot see it. Yeah raising more money for our former player who is suffering from cancer is so very, very wrong. Christ. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 23, 2023 9:05:49 GMT
I couldn't care less about him selling his tweets, good for him. Even better if it's for Nick Anderson, that's awesome. But leaking Rovers info to paying subscribers doesn't sit right for me, especially when they aren't done deals. Just my opinion. From a legalistic viewpoint surely any content relating solely to the football club is the intellectual property of the club? No employee should be able to generate income from that property, surely? Whatever the stated intentions of that income. I have never known a situation where that is not true. I imagine this has all been done with the clubs blessing but at the end of the day, who cares. Any noteworthy news is spread around the rest of the fanbase in seconds and it raises some much needed cash for Nick. Just another stick to beat Barton with though eh. |
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Post by Gassy on Aug 23, 2023 9:10:26 GMT
I couldn't care less about him selling his tweets, good for him. Even better if it's for Nick Anderson, that's awesome. But leaking Rovers info to paying subscribers doesn't sit right for me, especially when they aren't done deals. Just my opinion. From a legalistic viewpoint surely any content relating solely to the football club is the intellectual property of the club? No employee should be able to generate income from that property, surely? Whatever the stated intentions of that income. I have never known a situation where that is not true. Im not sure. If the Telegraph writes a story on a breaking transfer at Man Utd and it’s behind a paywall, is that not the same? Genuine question btw |
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 23, 2023 9:50:51 GMT
From a legalistic viewpoint surely any content relating solely to the football club is the intellectual property of the club? No employee should be able to generate income from that property, surely? Whatever the stated intentions of that income. I have never known a situation where that is not true. Im not sure. If the Telegraph writes a story on a breaking transfer at Man Utd and it’s behind a paywall, is that not the same? Genuine question btw The main difference would be that they would be employed by the Telegraph, not Rovers? Anyway, I still don't know why people are still bothered? He's explained why he's done it. It's going to a great cause. |
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Post by Gassy on Aug 23, 2023 10:06:41 GMT
Im not sure. If the Telegraph writes a story on a breaking transfer at Man Utd and it’s behind a paywall, is that not the same? Genuine question btw The main difference would be that they would be employed by the Telegraph, not Rovers? Anyway, I still don't know why people are still bothered? He's explained why he's done it. It's going to a great cause. It is going to a great cause, but I'm not sure (going by his original twitter post announcing it) that's why he did it? |
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Post by oldie on Aug 23, 2023 10:26:51 GMT
From a legalistic viewpoint surely any content relating solely to the football club is the intellectual property of the club? No employee should be able to generate income from that property, surely? Whatever the stated intentions of that income. I have never known a situation where that is not true. Im not sure. If the Telegraph writes a story on a breaking transfer at Man Utd and it’s behind a paywall, is that not the same? Genuine question btw If the CLUB (See the difference?) Publish information behind a paywall, they own the information and they can do as they please. By so doing they would accept that a person or organisation would pay and leak it to the non paying press or public. But the key point it is the club in question that "owns" the information. Not any single employee. In our case Mr Barton has indicated he will only discuss Rovers business behind his "personal account", business which he doesn't own but has detailed knowledge of. All proceeds from the paywall are going into his personal bank account (as far as I am aware). At launch the Nick Anderton contributions was not made explicitly clear. Which leads me to conclude (accurately or not) 1. The club leaned on him to "clarify" where the money was going. 2. He realised himself of the potential reputational damage (stop laughing at the back) and quickly came up with a story 3. He is to daft to realise what he does has PR implications. My money is on (3). Looking back on previous social media comments by him. Did anyone see or hear the charge sheet summary released by the Romanian authorities against Andrew Tate? Pretty repulsive stuff. I wonder if Mr B will find them "interesting". Anyway, another day in the life of a Rovers fan and supporter. |
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 23, 2023 11:40:40 GMT
Im not sure. If the Telegraph writes a story on a breaking transfer at Man Utd and it’s behind a paywall, is that not the same? Genuine question btw Looking back on previous social media comments by him. Did anyone see or hear the charge sheet summary released by the Romanian authorities against Andrew Tate? Pretty repulsive stuff. I wonder if Mr B will find them "interesting". Anyway, another day in the life of a Rovers fan and supporter. Why do you still have an issue with that Oldie? I find studying the history of the likes of Hitler and Pol Pot 'interesting'. I also find criminology and psychology of Serial Killers 'interesting' too. All pretty repulsive stuff, doesn't mean I condone genocide or serial killing. I just think you have such an intense dislike for Joey Barton it clouds your judgement. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 23, 2023 11:48:18 GMT
Barton could spend his summer time-off doing voluntary work helping orphans in Uganda and some will have a problem with it.
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Post by Gassy on Aug 23, 2023 11:56:22 GMT
Im not sure. If the Telegraph writes a story on a breaking transfer at Man Utd and it’s behind a paywall, is that not the same? Genuine question btw If the CLUB (See the difference?) Publish information behind a paywall, they own the information and they can do as they please. By so doing they would accept that a person or organisation would pay and leak it to the non paying press or public. But the key point it is the club in question that "owns" the information. Not any single employee. In our case Mr Barton has indicated he will only discuss Rovers business behind his "personal account", business which he doesn't own but has detailed knowledge of. All proceeds from the paywall are going into his personal bank account (as far as I am aware). At launch the Nick Anderton contributions was not made explicitly clear. Which leads me to conclude (accurately or not) 1. The club leaned on him to "clarify" where the money was going. 2. He realised himself of the potential reputational damage (stop laughing at the back) and quickly came up with a story 3. He is to daft to realise what he does has PR implications. My money is on (3). Looking back on previous social media comments by him. Did anyone see or hear the charge sheet summary released by the Romanian authorities against Andrew Tate? Pretty repulsive stuff. I wonder if Mr B will find them "interesting". Anyway, another day in the life of a Rovers fan and supporter. Not quite sure you need to take the sassy tone with me here, Oldie. A couple of points in response. You mentioned he will only discuss Rovers behind the personal account. That's not true, he still speaks to the media. Secondly, you're assuming the club to not agree/allow him to do this. One would assume that as he hasn't been ordered to take it down, the club have given permission/allow this and therefore the legality point doesn't exist. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 23, 2023 12:51:56 GMT
If the CLUB (See the difference?) Publish information behind a paywall, they own the information and they can do as they please. By so doing they would accept that a person or organisation would pay and leak it to the non paying press or public. But the key point it is the club in question that "owns" the information. Not any single employee. In our case Mr Barton has indicated he will only discuss Rovers business behind his "personal account", business which he doesn't own but has detailed knowledge of. All proceeds from the paywall are going into his personal bank account (as far as I am aware). At launch the Nick Anderton contributions was not made explicitly clear. Which leads me to conclude (accurately or not) 1. The club leaned on him to "clarify" where the money was going. 2. He realised himself of the potential reputational damage (stop laughing at the back) and quickly came up with a story 3. He is to daft to realise what he does has PR implications. My money is on (3). Looking back on previous social media comments by him. Did anyone see or hear the charge sheet summary released by the Romanian authorities against Andrew Tate? Pretty repulsive stuff. I wonder if Mr B will find them "interesting". Anyway, another day in the life of a Rovers fan and supporter. Not quite sure you need to take the sassy tone with me here, Oldie. A couple of points in response. You mentioned he will only discuss Rovers behind the personal account. That's not true, he still speaks to the media. Secondly, you're assuming the club to not agree/allow him to do this. One would assume that as he hasn't been ordered to take it down, the club have given permission/allow this and therefore the legality point doesn't exist. My apologies Gassy, no sassy tone intended. I accept he may talk to the national media when contacted. But the minutiae of club news is predominantly local media which he said he will not talk to. He will not talk to the fans of the club on social media unless they pay. Those are the key factors. As far as the club are concerned, of course I cannot know if they accepted this situation or not. In any organisation I have worked in this would be completely unacceptable. That's not to say they have not turned a blind eye to all this (after all their PR is pretty dismal), but if they have that just reinforces my view that there is a complete lack of leadership and professionalism at the club. Not much more I can say really. I am clearly in a minority on this as the vast majority appear to be willing to accept anything. Something which, if you support Rovers long enough (60 years in my case), I do agree we get bludgeoned into accepting mediocrity. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 23, 2023 12:59:28 GMT
Looking back on previous social media comments by him. Did anyone see or hear the charge sheet summary released by the Romanian authorities against Andrew Tate? Pretty repulsive stuff. I wonder if Mr B will find them "interesting". Anyway, another day in the life of a Rovers fan and supporter. Why do you still have an issue with that Oldie? I find studying the history of the likes of Hitler and Pol Pot 'interesting'. I also find criminology and psychology of Serial Killers 'interesting' too. All pretty repulsive stuff, doesn't mean I condone genocide or serial killing. I just think you have such an intense dislike for Joey Barton it clouds your judgement. Terrible false equivalents their Gastafari. I to am fascinated by the mindsets of maniacal psychopaths who have brought destruction to their countries and the death of millions of people. However a low life misogynistic, sadistic idiot like Tate who boasts of abusing women and indulges in human trafficking (allegedly) is of no interest to me at all. Other than I hope, if guilty he goes down for a very long time. Nothing really interesting about that is there? |
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 23, 2023 13:18:10 GMT
Why do you still have an issue with that Oldie? I find studying the history of the likes of Hitler and Pol Pot 'interesting'. I also find criminology and psychology of Serial Killers 'interesting' too. All pretty repulsive stuff, doesn't mean I condone genocide or serial killing. I just think you have such an intense dislike for Joey Barton it clouds your judgement. Terrible false equivalents their Gastafari. I to am fascinated by the mindsets of maniacal psychopaths who have brought destruction to their countries and the death of millions of people. However a low life misogynistic, sadistic idiot like Tate who boasts of abusing women and indulges in human trafficking (allegedly) is of no interest to me at all. Other than I hope, if guilty he goes down for a very long time. Nothing really interesting about that is there? I wouldn't call them false equivalents at all. I do actually find it interesting to hear other people's point of view. Regardless of whether I agree, disagree or find it an absolute load of nonsense. I still just think your severe dislike of him clouds your judgement and that's where you make mountains out of molehills. |
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Post by Gassy on Aug 23, 2023 13:26:02 GMT
Not quite sure you need to take the sassy tone with me here, Oldie. A couple of points in response. You mentioned he will only discuss Rovers behind the personal account. That's not true, he still speaks to the media. Secondly, you're assuming the club to not agree/allow him to do this. One would assume that as he hasn't been ordered to take it down, the club have given permission/allow this and therefore the legality point doesn't exist. My apologies Gassy, no sassy tone intended. I accept he may talk to the national media when contacted. But the minutiae of club news is predominantly local media which he said he will not talk to. He will not talk to the fans of the club on social media unless they pay. Those are the key factors. As far as the club are concerned, of course I cannot know if they accepted this situation or not. In any organisation I have worked in this would be completely unacceptable. That's not to say they have not turned a blind eye to all this (after all their PR is pretty dismal), but if they have that just reinforces my view that there is a complete lack of leadership and professionalism at the club. Not much more I can say really. I am clearly in a minority on this as the vast majority appear to be willing to accept anything. Something which, if you support Rovers long enough (60 years in my case), I do agree we get bludgeoned into accepting mediocrity. No probs Oldie, apologies if I misread it too. Tbf, he speaks to BBC Bristol regularly? I agree in normal circumstances this would not be allowed, although football is it's own business. Personally I can't comment whether its poor professionalism form the club or not, because we really don't know what was discussed. FWIW, I'm not a fan of it and have stated so previously, but I like that the proceedings are going to Nick Anderton though. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Aug 23, 2023 13:48:05 GMT
Hallelujah, Spot on, It is so very, very wrong, biggest pity is that a vast majority cannot see it. I think the vast majority just don't care, (I put myself in that bracket) It isn't as though he revealed a signing which was top secret. I think everybody knew that it was 99% nailed on anyway. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Aug 23, 2023 13:54:25 GMT
Not quite sure you need to take the sassy tone with me here, Oldie. A couple of points in response. You mentioned he will only discuss Rovers behind the personal account. That's not true, he still speaks to the media. Secondly, you're assuming the club to not agree/allow him to do this. One would assume that as he hasn't been ordered to take it down, the club have given permission/allow this and therefore the legality point doesn't exist. My apologies Gassy, no sassy tone intended. I accept he may talk to the national media when contacted. But the minutiae of club news is predominantly local media which he said he will not talk to. He will not talk to the fans of the club on social media unless they pay. Those are the key factors. As far as the club are concerned, of course I cannot know if they accepted this situation or not. In any organisation I have worked in this would be completely unacceptable. That's not to say they have not turned a blind eye to all this (after all their PR is pretty dismal), but if they have that just reinforces my view that there is a complete lack of leadership and professionalism at the club. Not much more I can say really. I am clearly in a minority on this as the vast majority appear to be willing to accept anything. Something which, if you support Rovers long enough (60 years in my case), I do agree we get bludgeoned into accepting mediocrity. Have you worked in a professional sport environment? How many years did Sir Alex enforce his ban of not speaking to the BBC? |
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 23, 2023 13:54:39 GMT
I think the vast majority just don't care, (I put myself in that bracket) It isn't as though he revealed a signing which was top secret. I think everybody knew that it was 99% nailed on anyway. And he explained what happened (as I mentioned before) go to 40mins 30secs www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0g2zcxy |
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 23, 2023 14:32:58 GMT
My apologies Gassy, no sassy tone intended. I accept he may talk to the national media when contacted. But the minutiae of club news is predominantly local media which he said he will not talk to. He will not talk to the fans of the club on social media unless they pay. Those are the key factors. As far as the club are concerned, of course I cannot know if they accepted this situation or not. In any organisation I have worked in this would be completely unacceptable. That's not to say they have not turned a blind eye to all this (after all their PR is pretty dismal), but if they have that just reinforces my view that there is a complete lack of leadership and professionalism at the club. Not much more I can say really. I am clearly in a minority on this as the vast majority appear to be willing to accept anything. Something which, if you support Rovers long enough (60 years in my case), I do agree we get bludgeoned into accepting mediocrity. Have you worked in a professional sport environment? How many years did Sir Alex enforce his ban of not speaking to the BBC? In literally every regard, Football Clubs especially are incomparable to pretty much every other business. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 23, 2023 14:55:28 GMT
Have you worked in a professional sport environment? How many years did Sir Alex enforce his ban of not speaking to the BBC? In literally every regard, Football Clubs especially are incomparable to pretty much every other business. Which other English football club manager is charging fans to read his tweets? |
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Post by oldie on Aug 23, 2023 14:56:53 GMT
Have you worked in a professional sport environment? How many years did Sir Alex enforce his ban of not speaking to the BBC? In literally every regard, Football Clubs especially are incomparable to pretty much every other business. But Brand development and protection is universal. It is a value added concept and monetised when it works. Look at the brand development and value on Man United in the Asian market. I am not comparing us directly with that but everything starts somewhere and amateur hour is never a good starting point. |
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