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Post by supergas on Jan 19, 2015 1:45:05 GMT
Not really much point sticking up for the police on this one Weezord . They could have saved the situation but couldn't be arsed . Just don't help themselves sometimes. A Woking spokesperson has apparently confirmed they couldnt let anymore gas in because their safety certificate wouldn't allow it. They don't mention the police. Not sure how the police could've 'saved the situation' despite them not being 'arsed'? Don't get those comments at all mate. Didn't see the original comments, wasn't at the game, but it seems to me a little common-sense by someone in charge at the game could have solved this during the first half... ...technically Woking's safety officer was in control of the event, so it was a club employee who made the decision not to move fans around and open another stand to Rovers fans. Not a police decision (although they would obviously have been consulted).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 5:55:48 GMT
Out of interest when was a Rovers fan last locked out of an away ground for arriving at 2:45, or 7:30 if you want to be pedantic? The only time I can recall that happening was at AG decades ago, but a game in Bristol is an exception to the rule anyway. If fans had been warned they might have problems getting in then I can see you can say it was their own fault but I can't recall anybody saying there would be any problems yesterday. Although if everyone had arrived by 2pm yesterday there would have expected still been 300 locked out anyway. If you read the "Woking News" thread then you will see that somebody did actually foresee there being problems prior to the match. That person being me. Smug much?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 6:24:35 GMT
A Woking spokesperson has apparently confirmed they couldnt let anymore gas in because their safety certificate wouldn't allow it. They don't mention the police. Wonder if that means that other grounds where we've mingled with the home fans have breached their safety certificate then?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 19, 2015 8:47:57 GMT
If you read the "Woking News" thread then you will see that somebody did actually foresee there being problems prior to the match. That person being me. Smug much? I was right though wasn't I?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 8:52:07 GMT
I was right though wasn't I? No, you weren't. It had nothing to do with how early you got there and everything to do with how many they decided to let in. They let in less people than the amount who travelled without warning people that there was a chance they'd be locked out. Arrival time has no relevance.
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Post by spiess1 on Jan 19, 2015 8:56:02 GMT
"Arrival time has no relevance"............... other than those who got there "in good time" got in!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 8:59:02 GMT
"Arrival time has no relevance"............... other than those who got there "in good time" got in! If everyone got there 3 hours early everyone would not have got in. You can't pour a pint into a half pint glass no matter how long you take trying.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 19, 2015 9:07:24 GMT
I was right though wasn't I? No, you weren't. It had nothing to do with how early you got there and everything to do with how many they decided to let in. They let in less people than the amount who travelled without warning people that there was a chance they'd be locked out. Arrival time has no relevance.Those who arrived in plenty of time got in so yes arrival time was significant. You can't blame everyone bar yourself. If you got there 3 hours early and couldn't get in then you are extremly unlucky. If you got there 5 mins before a pay on the day game then you have to partly blame yourself as well for not going there in advance. Don't see why that is so hard to understand.
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on Jan 19, 2015 9:25:41 GMT
Well it's like I said to my Mrs when we arrived. "every man/woman/child for themselves today" it's going to be packed!
After going to FGR earlier in the season I just knew what we were up against! one tiny poxy burger fan to cater for 1000+ fans in the space of an hour and a half is never going to work the same goes for the toilets! two poo boxes isn't enough or up to standard! (Not being snobby)
We arrived an hour and half early planning on grabbing food but once we arrived seeing as we hadn't eaten since breakfast but town was a no go because the traffic was horrible due to a stupid traffic light system! and parking seemed be a ball ache with a voucher system? and the club house was a 40 minute wait for a drink! dread to think how long food would of taken.
Oh well may as well get a good space to stand in the ground, off we went to the rude and hands on stewards whom may I add thought they were the dogs bollocks, it really Widdlees me off when stewards/security guards think they have the same authority as police do! (Behave ffs) they were absolutely useless! any questions I had was answered with "sorry mate I'm not from around ere" or "I dunt know mate"
The game was dull, cold and frustrating! If I didn't have two blokes behind me moaning there mate John couldn't get in we had that prat on the mic telling us every 5 minutes the leave at gate 3! twice was more than enough but he just carried on and on! at one point I thought to myself flip me I wish I wasn't let in. and before any tells me I could of moved else where I'd like to tell you I couldn't as the stewards told me I had to stand in the blue section!!
And people wonder why some fans only turn up for big games and decent stadiums! Games like this are so off putting for kids and girls.
Rant over.
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Post by puregas on Jan 19, 2015 10:47:19 GMT
GGMI,
You seem to have a mental blockage with what people are trying to tell you. Perhaps this is the first away game you have been to.
There were around 2200 Gas trying to get into 1900 spaces, so what time anyone arrived has no relevance. There would always have been 300 locked out.
The only relevance that arrival time had was determining which 300 were locked out.
Hope this explains it a little clearer for you.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 19, 2015 11:03:25 GMT
GGMI, You seem to have a mental blockage with what people are trying to tell you. Perhaps this is the first away game you have been to. There were around 2200 Gas trying to get into 1900 spaces, so what time anyone arrived has no relevance. There would always have been 300 locked out. The only relevance that arrival time had was determining which 300 were locked out. Hope this explains it a little clearer for you. Yes I understand that but if those 300 turned up late on a pay on the day game then they haven't prepared well. There was always going to be a potential issue so they should have arrived earlier. If we had all arrived earlier and they didn't do anything then that is ultimately there fault and the fans can take no blame whatsoever. Hope you understand my point.
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Post by puregas on Jan 19, 2015 11:21:56 GMT
I don't think 2.40 could be classed as 'late', to get turned away.
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Post by baggins on Jan 19, 2015 11:27:05 GMT
"Arrival time has no relevance"............... other than those who got there "in good time" got in! If everyone got there 3 hours early everyone would not have got in. You can't pour a pint into a half pint glass no matter how long you take trying. God knows I've tried.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 11:41:54 GMT
GGMI, You seem to have a mental blockage with what people are trying to tell you. Perhaps this is the first away game you have been to. There were around 2200 Gas trying to get into 1900 spaces, so what time anyone arrived has no relevance. There would always have been 300 locked out. The only relevance that arrival time had was determining which 300 were locked out. Hope this explains it a little clearer for you. Yes I understand that but if those 300 turned up late on a pay on the day game then they haven't prepared well. There was always going to be a potential issue so they should have arrived earlier. If we had all arrived earlier and they didn't do anything then that is ultimately there fault and the fans can take no blame whatsoever. Hope you understand my point. Surely any time before 3 is early enough? It's not the fans responsibility to ensure the ground can fit them in unless its announced before the game that there may be a problem or its all ticket. Neither happened. The ultimate responsibility lies with Woking, since they staged the event.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 19, 2015 11:42:23 GMT
Yes I understand that but if those 300 turned up late on a pay on the day game then they haven't prepared well. There was always going to be a potential issue so they should have arrived earlier. If we had all arrived earlier and they didn't do anything then that is ultimately there fault and the fans can take no blame whatsoever. Hope you understand my point. Surely any time before 3 is early enough? It's not the fans responsibility to ensure the ground can fit them in unless its announced before the game that there may be a problem or its all ticket. Neither happened. The ultimate responsibility lies with Woking, since they staged the event. I agree.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 19, 2015 13:21:31 GMT
Yes I understand that but if those 300 turned up late on a pay on the day game then they haven't prepared well. There was always going to be a potential issue so they should have arrived earlier. If we had all arrived earlier and they didn't do anything then that is ultimately there fault and the fans can take no blame whatsoever. Hope you understand my point. Surely any time before 3 is early enough? It's not the fans responsibility to ensure the ground can fit them in unless its announced before the game that there may be a problem or its all ticket. Neither happened. The ultimate responsibility lies with Woking, since they staged the event. Not quite you can't all turn up at the same time and expect to walk in at any game. (Not saying that happened here, just pointing out a practicality to actually getting into any ground)
Currently there is confusion and counter argument to what has actually happened so it's hard to apportion blame anywhere
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Post by baggins on Jan 19, 2015 13:23:58 GMT
Surely any time before 3 is early enough? It's not the fans responsibility to ensure the ground can fit them in unless its announced before the game that there may be a problem or its all ticket. Neither happened. The ultimate responsibility lies with Woking, since they staged the event. Not quite you can't all turn up at the same time and expect to walk in at any game. (Not saying that happened here, just pointing out a practicality to actually getting into any ground)
Currently there is confusion and counter argument to what has actually happened so it's hard to apportion blame anywhere
You got a degree in politics didn't you.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 19, 2015 13:28:44 GMT
Not quite you can't all turn up at the same time and expect to walk in at any game. (Not saying that happened here, just pointing out a practicality to actually getting into any ground)
Currently there is confusion and counter argument to what has actually happened so it's hard to apportion blame anywhere
You got a degree in politics didn't you.
At the moment is it not, he said, she said?
Lets be honest. Even if it is all Wokings fault, Rovers never issued a warning to Gasheads that their advice had been turned down and for 'us' to get there early
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Post by baggins on Jan 19, 2015 13:36:43 GMT
You got a degree in politics didn't you.
At the moment is it not, he said, she said?
Lets be honest. Even if it is all Wokings fault, Rovers never issued a warning to Gasheads that their advice had been turned down and for 'us' to get there early
Depends on when Rovers knew.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 19, 2015 13:38:41 GMT
You got a degree in politics didn't you.
At the moment is it not, he said, she said?
Lets be honest. Even if it is all Wokings fault, Rovers never issued a warning to Gasheads that their advice had been turned down and for 'us' to get there early
How could the club predict that we'd take over 2000 though if they couldn't sell advanced tickets? Also, why would the club turn down selling tickets in advanced? We get sent the tickets and sell them in a shop that would have been open anyway. If we did turn it down then that is quite frankly ridiculous.
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