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Post by badengas on Sept 13, 2023 10:14:29 GMT
Santa's Grotto 2.0
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Post by pirate on Sept 13, 2023 10:30:16 GMT
The temporary move to Whaddon Road was my favourite.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 13, 2023 10:38:43 GMT
So from memory, tentative plans including some artist impressions for; Eastville, Hambrook, Fruit Market (with City), Avonmouth, Severnside and Fruit Market again.
Serious plans for Carsons Road.
Planning agreement for new North Stand, complete revamp and then UWE.
Have I missed anything?
In terms of the OP, favourite was UWE although I feel Carsons Road would have changed our future the most.
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Post by wider on Sept 13, 2023 11:48:14 GMT
It seems most people have conceded that Higgs & Co were wrong in taking on Sainsbury’s and nearly bankrupted the club. Why don’t they think the same about UWE? The same team negotiated the deal with UWE as Sainsbury’s so why not believe Wael and family (at that time) that the terms were rubbish and would not generate any income for Rovers? Higgs & Co were willing and able to set it up on the basis of the Sainsbury’s deal that would have more than covered the cost at the time.
That deal was dead in the water by the time the Al Qadis saved the club. Without the proceeds from the sale how was it to be afforded?!
On top of that no ongoing income and only available at match times?
Mr West as an academic May well have thought and said it was a great deal for Bristol Rovers but I didn’t think so. I wasn’t involved with the Al Qadis but I had previously been closely involved with the plans and sale of a club related property that put half a million into the pot to keep us afloat and advised Higgs that he didn’t stand a hope against Sainsbury’s. The decision to take a Wonga loan and keep fighting was purely to buy time and find a buyer. Who knows, maybe that was the right thing?
We are still in existence and I’m grateful for that. We will probably never know what happened for sure. We will probably never know what is happening now with the FM but I wouldn’t say it’s gone, yet. People spread rumours all the time for lots of reasons, good and bad. Sometimes the truth emerges, often not completely - remember that history is written by the victors not the truthsayers. UTG!
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 13, 2023 12:23:43 GMT
It seems most people have conceded that Higgs & Co were wrong in taking on Sainsbury’s and nearly bankrupted the club. Why don’t they think the same about UWE? The same team negotiated the deal with UWE as Sainsbury’s so why not believe Wael and family (at that time) that the terms were rubbish and would not generate any income for Rovers? Higgs & Co were willing and able to set it up on the basis of the Sainsbury’s deal that would have more than covered the cost at the time. That deal was dead in the water by the time the Al Qadis saved the club. Without the proceeds from the sale how was it to be afforded?! On top of that no ongoing income and only available at match times? Mr West as an academic May well have thought and said it was a great deal for Bristol Rovers but I didn’t think so. I wasn’t involved with the Al Qadis but I had previously been closely involved with the plans and sale of a club related property that put half a million into the pot to keep us afloat and advised Higgs that he didn’t stand a hope against Sainsbury’s. The decision to take a Wonga loan and keep fighting was purely to buy time and find a buyer. Who knows, maybe that was the right thing? We are still in existence and I’m grateful for that. We will probably never know what happened for sure. We will probably never know what is happening now with the FM but I wouldn’t say it’s gone, yet. People spread rumours all the time for lots of reasons, good and bad. Sometimes the truth emerges, often not completely - remember that history is written by the victors not the truthsayers. UTG! History is a fable agreed upon. Pretty much describes a "Gaschat fact". 😶 |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 13, 2023 13:25:05 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if UWE was a better offer than the FM. I just don’t buy and have never bought that UWE wasn’t the best opportunity this FC has ever had to build a fantastic facility in its heartland that would take it to another level. When Wael Al Qadi and his family took over they took all of momentum out of that fantastic opportunity, they didn’t get the historic struggles we had had or the journey from losing our ground of 100 years to play in another city to eventually struggle back to share with the Rugby club. They didn’t get or care also that there had been numerous failed schemes from Mangotsfield to Stoke Gifford to Severnside. It has the feel that when they took over they had little interest in UWE. Wael fooled us and Higgs, he was less than honest with everyone. I am angry with Higgs for his atrocious agreement with Sainsbury’s and in his rage at being outwitted nearly taking us to bankruptcy and then having to sell to any old chancer at a desperate discount. I am angry also with Wael because having then bought Higgs out in what he described as ‘an unbelievable deal’ he deceived us, he chucked in the bin our greatest ever opportunity. He didn’t chuck it away because it was a bad deal for BRFC. No, he sacked it off because he neither had the capital or the backing of his family to do it. He never intended to buy a big football club which would require major investment or create one either and nor does he now. Funniest post so far |
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Sept 13, 2023 14:45:03 GMT
I just don’t buy and have never bought that UWE wasn’t the best opportunity this FC has ever had to build a fantastic facility in its heartland that would take it to another level. When Wael Al Qadi and his family took over they took all of momentum out of that fantastic opportunity, they didn’t get the historic struggles we had had or the journey from losing our ground of 100 years to play in another city to eventually struggle back to share with the Rugby club. They didn’t get or care also that there had been numerous failed schemes from Mangotsfield to Stoke Gifford to Severnside. It has the feel that when they took over they had little interest in UWE. Wael fooled us and Higgs, he was less than honest with everyone. I am angry with Higgs for his atrocious agreement with Sainsbury’s and in his rage at being outwitted nearly taking us to bankruptcy and then having to sell to any old chancer at a desperate discount. I am angry also with Wael because having then bought Higgs out in what he described as ‘an unbelievable deal’ he deceived us, he chucked in the bin our greatest ever opportunity. He didn’t chuck it away because it was a bad deal for BRFC. No, he sacked it off because he neither had the capital or the backing of his family to do it. He never intended to buy a big football club which would require major investment or create one either and nor does he now. Funniest post so far How come? It might be funny to you but that’s because you’ve never knowingly uttered a true word on here and wouldn’t see truth if was stood in front of you emblazoned in neon lights. Clap, clap happy clap. |
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Sept 13, 2023 16:13:50 GMT
My username has never been more appropriate
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Post by gasheadontour on Sept 13, 2023 19:40:56 GMT
Perhaps the new owners can be asked to produce better stadium plans for a stadium that won't happen?
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Post by stargas on Sept 13, 2023 20:32:26 GMT
I've loved them all, from the Eastville SUPERDOME to the UWE but sadly no artist's impression of the Fruitihad OR the YTL as yet - ah well - UTG
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 14, 2023 7:32:33 GMT
How come? It might be funny to you but that’s because you’ve never knowingly uttered a true word on here and wouldn’t see truth if was stood in front of you emblazoned in neon lights. Clap, clap happy clap. To quote a famous Moderator on here... "attack the post not the poster" Your post in my eyes has all the hallmarks of a person deluded with the whole club and i do wonder why you support Bristol Rovers FC if you feel so bad about the club, i find it funny that a fan could be so upset with our Stadium History yet watch the Rovers week in week out.... i'm assuming you do watch Rovers.... |
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Post by susan1950 on Sept 14, 2023 9:23:47 GMT
Maybe we just bought the five acre wood along crewshole road and looking to develop that into a new stadium
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Post by badengas on Sept 14, 2023 11:26:46 GMT
Ystrad Mynach Greyhound Track near Caerphilly has planning approval for extension works.
Could be Gas related ? Bring back the Tote End !
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Post by Kipper on Sept 14, 2023 12:35:40 GMT
I’m afraid that is all it will be “stadium plans”. It is pathetic!!
UTG.
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Post by aghast on Sept 14, 2023 17:39:29 GMT
I would have liked the 22,000 UWE design at the Mem to replace the 18,000 student flats idea from 2008.
I can like what I want since neither or indeed any are happening.
Shame we don't have an artist's impression of the FM to add to the hall of shame. I suppose it must have been tricky for the artist when drawing up fruit bowl sketches since nobody it appears had any idea what it would be like. Maybe because it was never a serious idea?
It wouldn't surprise me too much if Conygar strung us along since they knew a stadium or facility of some kind would be required in the BCC local plan. Then when PP was required they could dump us and request an amendment to the FM site approval, saying their stadium tenant had withdrawn from talks and they now, regrettably, need to press ahead with a residential/retail only plan.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 14, 2023 18:02:09 GMT
I would have liked the 22,000 UWE design at the Mem to replace the 18,000 student flats idea from 2008. I can like what I want since neither or indeed any are happening. Shame we don't have an artist's impression of the FM to add to the hall of shame. I suppose it must have been tricky for the artist when drawing up fruit bowl sketches since nobody it appears had any idea what it would be like. Maybe because it was never a serious idea? It wouldn't surprise me too much if Conygar strung us along since they knew a stadium or facility of some kind would be required in the BCC local plan. Then when PP was required they could dump us and request an amendment to the FM site approval, saying their stadium tenant had withdrawn from talks and they now, regrettably, need to press ahead with a residential/retail only plan. Someone should make a top trumps set out of our actual and proposed new stadiums . |
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Post by stapletongas on Sept 15, 2023 8:31:09 GMT
UWE was interesting and second choice behind redeveloping The Mem
So many great historical English grounds are slap bang in the middle of their community and that’s exactly where we should be.
If Eastville was not possible, then Horfield works fine, in Bristol and in Gashead heartland.
Growing up as an Eastville boy, having the stadium in the community and players sometimes training in the park was big and a far cry from modern day out of town sites in retail industrial complexes.
We’ve put down roots since 1996 and it’s ours.
I hope we redevelop and stay for generations to come.
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 15, 2023 10:56:30 GMT
Ystrad Mynach Greyhound Track near Caerphilly has planning approval for extension works. Could be Gas related ? Bring back the Tote End ! We would have to approach such a proposal with great caution |
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