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Post by gulfofaden on Sept 15, 2023 16:56:18 GMT
This the first really heavy on possession side I think I’ve seen for rovers. We have been dominating possession for a while now.
Part of me thinks this is a good thing long term. Surely it’s better than 30%. If this team work out how to be better in both boxes you could see us being unstoppable.
I wonder, have teams got relegated having such high possession? I wonder if it actually matters in terms of success statistically.
Coughlans negative football did see us win many matches albeit with JCH.
Anyone have any intelligent or witty insight to this?
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Post by yattongas on Sept 15, 2023 17:16:41 GMT
Remember reading an article a few yrs ago about teams in the premier league and how possession based teams fared results wise against teams that had less of the ball. The results were surprisingly close , possession just edging it.
Footballs changed a bit since then so it’d be interesting to see the latest stats. Also is it beneficial lower down the football pyramid ?
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 15, 2023 17:30:07 GMT
We will soon find out against Shrewsbury, apparently they are the most direct in league one so far according to stats.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 15, 2023 17:41:28 GMT
Remember reading an article a few yrs ago about teams in the premier league and how possession based teams fared results wise against teams that had less of the ball. The results were surprisingly close , possession just edging it. Footballs changed a bit since then so it’d be interesting to see the latest stats. Also is it beneficial lower down the football pyramid ? Just a pity then that we play in L1 rather than the Premiership, we seem to have gone full circle back to Garnerball with JB just using better quality players but still creating few goalscoring chances and hardly converting any of those we create into goals. I don't really understand why JB's suddenly decided to go with possession based football, last season he talked about playing an exciting style no other teams were trying but that never seemed to materialise. Perhaps it's just to attract even more Premiership loan players rather than actually win games? |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 15, 2023 17:46:30 GMT
Remember reading an article a few yrs ago about teams in the premier league and how possession based teams fared results wise against teams that had less of the ball. The results were surprisingly close , possession just edging it. Footballs changed a bit since then so it’d be interesting to see the latest stats. Also is it beneficial lower down the football pyramid ? Just a pity then that we play in L1 rather than the Premiership, we seem to have gone full circle back to Garnerball with JB just using better quality players but still creating few goalscoring chances and hardly converting any of those we create into goals. I don't really understand why JB's suddenly decided to go with possession based football, last season he talked about playing an exciting style no other teams were trying but that never seemed to materialise. Perhaps it's just to attract even more Premiership loan players rather than actually win games? Early days Topper , think it will take until the 10-15 game to really bed in and get a run of decent results. Good to see they were having shooting practice today ! 😂 Think we need to shoot on sight a bit more rather than trying to get the perfect goal. |
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Post by pirate on Sept 15, 2023 18:35:16 GMT
We will soon find out against Shrewsbury, apparently they are the most direct in league one so far according to stats. We are 3rd in the table for Average Possession per game with 57.2% and 5th in the table for Big Chances Created, but tellingly 15th in the table for Expected Goals, 17th in the table for Accurate Crosses and 6th in the table for most Big Chances MISSED. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 15, 2023 19:07:37 GMT
We will soon find out against Shrewsbury, apparently they are the most direct in league one so far according to stats. We are third in the table for Average Possession per game with 57.2% and 5th in the table for Big Chances Created, but tellingly 15th in the table for Expected Goals, 17th in the table for Accurate Crosses and 6th in the table for most Big Chances MISSED. So the stats tell us what we already thought, that we need a decent striker to turn the chances we create into goals? |
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Post by pirate on Sept 15, 2023 19:26:23 GMT
We are third in the table for Average Possession per game with 57.2% and 5th in the table for Big Chances Created, but tellingly 15th in the table for Expected Goals, 17th in the table for Accurate Crosses and 6th in the table for most Big Chances MISSED. So the stats tell us what we already thought, that we need a decent striker to turn the chances we create into goals? Exactly. |
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Post by gasify on Sept 15, 2023 19:32:25 GMT
We will soon find out against Shrewsbury, apparently they are the most direct in league one so far according to stats. We are third in the table for Average Possession per game with 57.2% and 5th in the table for Big Chances Created, but tellingly 15th in the table for Expected Goals, 17th in the table for Accurate Crosses and 6th in the table for most Big Chances MISSED. Who are the teams ahead of us for possession? |
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Post by Russgas on Sept 15, 2023 19:33:28 GMT
Possession means nothing if you got no cutting edge.
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Post by pirate on Sept 15, 2023 19:43:00 GMT
We are third in the table for Average Possession per game with 57.2% and 5th in the table for Big Chances Created, but tellingly 15th in the table for Expected Goals, 17th in the table for Accurate Crosses and 6th in the table for most Big Chances MISSED. Who are the teams ahead of us for possession? Bolton and Pompey. edit: Bolton are 2nd for Big Chances Created and top for Expected Goals. Pompey are 6th for Big Chances Created and 3rd for Expected Goals. Bolton have Adeboyejo and Charles in the top 10 goalscorer chart and Pompey have Bishop. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2023 20:20:51 GMT
Watching saints v Leicester and its a disaster waiting to happen for both sides playing tip tap in their own box.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 15, 2023 20:40:10 GMT
We are third in the table for Average Possession per game with 57.2% and 5th in the table for Big Chances Created, but tellingly 15th in the table for Expected Goals, 17th in the table for Accurate Crosses and 6th in the table for most Big Chances MISSED. So the stats tell us what we already thought, that we need a decent striker to turn the chances we create into goals? Not necessarily. Plymouth didn't have one last season, won the league. Sharing the goals out around the team is just as crucial imo. We have been guilty of not being clinical enough so far and have wasted quite a few chances we should have put away, absolutely. Collins, Marquis, Jevani Brown, Scott Sinclair and Harvey Vale are all capable of getting into double figures though. Luke McCormick and Anthony Evans are capable of chipping in with 5-10 goals from Midfield as well as they've done for us previously. There is still plenty of goals in this team. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 15, 2023 21:03:07 GMT
So the stats tell us what we already thought, that we need a decent striker to turn the chances we create into goals? Not necessarily. Plymouth didn't have one last season, won the league. Sharing the goals out around the team is just as crucial imo. We have been guilty of not being clinical enough so far and have wasted quite a few chances we should have put away, absolutely. Collins, Marquis, Jevani Brown, Scott Sinclair and Harvey Vale are all capable of getting into double figures though. Luke McCormick and Anthony Evans are capable of chipping in with 5-10 goals from Midfield as well as they've done for us previously. There is still plenty of goals in this team. If the players listed are all missing chances surely they are now incapable of hitting double figures? It still seems far easier to sign a striker who'll score 15/20 goals then get 5 players to all score 10 goals, that's been the case for every successful Rovers I've watched. |
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Post by bambergashead on Sept 15, 2023 21:05:03 GMT
Possession is nine-tenths of the law...
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Sept 15, 2023 21:51:46 GMT
Anti-possesion exhibit a)
John Beck - Cambridge United manager early 90's. Anti football but it worked.... for a bit. For those not old enough to remember I won't go into details and save you the pain
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Post by yattongas on Sept 15, 2023 21:54:00 GMT
Possession is nine-tenths of the law... Also …. You can get locked up for possession |
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 15, 2023 22:01:04 GMT
Not necessarily. Plymouth didn't have one last season, won the league. Sharing the goals out around the team is just as crucial imo. We have been guilty of not being clinical enough so far and have wasted quite a few chances we should have put away, absolutely. Collins, Marquis, Jevani Brown, Scott Sinclair and Harvey Vale are all capable of getting into double figures though. Luke McCormick and Anthony Evans are capable of chipping in with 5-10 goals from Midfield as well as they've done for us previously. There is still plenty of goals in this team. If the players listed are all missing chances surely they are now incapable of hitting double figures? It still seems far easier to sign a striker who'll score 15/20 goals then get 5 players to all score 10 goals, that's been the case for every successful Rovers I've watched. Why would that make them incapable of hitting double figures? We're only 6 games into the season. There's still 40 games left to play. You can't judge a season or what's going to happen in September. I remember Jason Roberts missing chances and not scoring until November, about 15 games I think. Ended up scoring 23 goals. I remember Matty Taylor doing the same. Ended up scoring 20. Aaron Collins went 20 games before he scored his first goal for us, wasn't until January. Ended up scoring 18. I would of loved JCH, but it's done now. All I'm saying is that you don't necessarily need a prolific striker,having goals all across the team is just as crucial, and that we've got plenty of players who can score goals in this team. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 15, 2023 22:56:07 GMT
Possession is nine-tenths of the law... The opposition can't score if they don't have the ball. (Yes, I know about own goals👍) |
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 16, 2023 6:11:58 GMT
Possession is nine-tenths of the law... The opposition can't score if they don't have the ball. (Yes, I know about own goals👍) The usual reminder to the bone heads around me on the East, who can’t help but voice their disapproval when we keep the ball along the back line….whilst we are winning. “GET RIDDDDD OF ITTTTTTTT” |
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