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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 22, 2023 13:40:07 GMT
Makes the Beefy scenario all the more puzzling CB is often the position that sustains injuries, and we are now only one more knock from a really makeshift defence! Sometimes you do scratch your head at some of the decisions the club makes!! UTG It's a difficult one, Beefy wasn't even getting into the squad towards the end and he needs games to develop. Just an unfortunate run of injuries in that position tbh
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 22, 2023 13:41:39 GMT
Makes the Beefy scenario all the more puzzling CB is often the position that sustains injuries, and we are now only one more knock from a really makeshift defence! Sometimes you do scratch your head at some of the decisions the club makes!! UTG Perhaps Connolly forced through the move as he didn't just want to sit on the bench?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2023 14:05:10 GMT
I think i'm in the minority but I don't think Connolly is anywhere near L1 standard.
Watching on Tuesday with Gibbons / Hoole and Gordon + Belshaw brought back all the bad Laurel + Hardy memories from last season - the defence was a shambles at times and Belshaw trying to be centre of attention playing out from the back was embarrassing.
Something else that got my goat was Gordon didn't warm up he spent the session talking in the centre circle
Hunt / Wilson / Taylor / Grant + Friend are a huge uplift - Connolly does not fit in at all.
That said we aren't the Promotion chasing outfit we think we are yet - there is still a lot to do.
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Post by badengas on Sept 22, 2023 14:14:13 GMT
I'm 6'4 and not injured. Sign me up, mid fifties so I'll add experience.
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Post by wallywalters on Sept 22, 2023 15:02:45 GMT
I think i'm in the minority but I don't think Connolly is anywhere near L1 standard. Watching on Tuesday with Gibbons / Hoole and Gordon + Belshaw brought back all the bad Laurel + Hardy memories from last season - the defence was a shambles at times and Belshaw trying to be centre of attention playing out from the back was embarrassing. Something else that got my goat was Gordon didn't warm up he spent the session talking in the centre circle Hunt / Wilson / Taylor / Grant + Friend are a huge uplift - Connolly does not fit in at all. That said we aren't the Promotion chasing outfit we think we are yet - there is still a lot to do. I've been thinking about your last 2 lines a bit this last week. I don't see any way we will go up this year and I reference Barton's previous interviews for evidence of this. He has talked on several occasions of us following the tracks Bolton and Plymouth set out on their route out of league 2 and upwards. Both the above teams had average first seasons back in league one after promotion. Their second seasons were both very good but fell short. Argyle just missed out on the play offs and I believe Bolton made them last year but didn't get through. 3rd season Argyle won the league. This is boltons 3rd season unless my memory had failed me and I fully expect them to win the league this season or certainly gets autos. Based on that pathway I fully expect us to finish top half this season but believe we may fall short of the play offs. Hope to be proved wrong but that's how I see it and If right I'd fully expect us to challenge next season. That's not to say if in a decent position in jan we shouldn't go hell for leather this year but I just don't see this side as a promotion team at present. It's early days though so il probably change my mind if we win tomorrow 😂
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Post by bridgwatergas on Sept 22, 2023 15:27:18 GMT
I think i'm in the minority but I don't think Connolly is anywhere near L1 standard. Watching on Tuesday with Gibbons / Hoole and Gordon + Belshaw brought back all the bad Laurel + Hardy memories from last season - the defence was a shambles at times and Belshaw trying to be centre of attention playing out from the back was embarrassing. Something else that got my goat was Gordon didn't warm up he spent the session talking in the centre circle Hunt / Wilson / Taylor / Grant + Friend are a huge uplift - Connolly does not fit in at all. That said we aren't the Promotion chasing outfit we think we are yet - there is still a lot to do. A few of us got hammered when criticising Belshaw last season but watching on Tuesday showed how right we were. We had to stop playing out from the back and go more direct which we really wasn't part of the game plan. Connolly I feel for a bit as had a great game at Pompey with Wilson as a partner and looked back to the player we had 2 seasons ago. I was hoping he would kick on this season then we signed Taylor and had seen Crama and how good he was. A loan was the sensible decision as he needs to play. Hoole and Gibbons won't feature much unless injuries allow them and Gordon would be the same as Grant looks like he is back to full fitness and is getting better every minute he plays.
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Post by Quarters on Sept 22, 2023 17:17:28 GMT
Re Hoole, Gordon and Connolly all are young and all are our players. I have read many times on here that JB is great at developing players so what's gone wrong? Also with Connolly, came in on loan and his partnership with Taylor improved the defense and many were very happy with him being purchased.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 22, 2023 17:39:19 GMT
Re Hoole, Gordon and Connolly all are young and all are our players. I have read many times on here that JB is great at developing players so what's gone wrong? Also with Connolly, came in on loan and his partnership with Taylor improved the defense and many were very happy with him being purchased. I'm sensing JB likes the plaudits from developing Premiership loan players but is really not interested in developing the club's own young players, Connolly, Hoole and Gordon all seem a bit surplus to requirements this season, McCormick is also struggling to make any impact and you do have to wonder if Taylor is only starting games again now that Crama is out injured.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 22, 2023 18:01:36 GMT
I think i'm in the minority but I don't think Connolly is anywhere near L1 standard. Watching on Tuesday with Gibbons / Hoole and Gordon + Belshaw brought back all the bad Laurel + Hardy memories from last season - the defence was a shambles at times and Belshaw trying to be centre of attention playing out from the back was embarrassing. Something else that got my goat was Gordon didn't warm up he spent the session talking in the centre circle Hunt / Wilson / Taylor / Grant + Friend are a huge uplift - Connolly does not fit in at all. That said we aren't the Promotion chasing outfit we think we are yet - there is still a lot to do. I've been thinking about your last 2 lines a bit this last week. I don't see any way we will go up this year and I reference Barton's previous interviews for evidence of this. He has talked on several occasions of us following the tracks Bolton and Plymouth set out on their route out of league 2 and upwards. Both the above teams had average first seasons back in league one after promotion. Their second seasons were both very good but fell short. Argyle just missed out on the play offs and I believe Bolton made them last year but didn't get through. 3rd season Argyle won the league. This is boltons 3rd season unless my memory had failed me and I fully expect them to win the league this season or certainly gets autos. Based on that pathway I fully expect us to finish top half this season but believe we may fall short of the play offs. Hope to be proved wrong but that's how I see it and If right I'd fully expect us to challenge next season. That's not to say if in a decent position in jan we shouldn't go hell for leather this year but I just don't see this side as a promotion team at present. It's early days though so il probably change my mind if we win tomorrow 😂 Good post. Sounds about right. With the recruitment in defence and midfield this Summer I think expectations were very high. But yet again, as in 2020, we stopped there and didn’t finish with much in the attack. (I know Brown could be considered a forward but I suspect JB intended more esp with Loft going.) I’ll be happy if we can challenge for a play off placing even if we don’t achieve it. That would represent solid progress over 2/3 years. But I suspect JB isn’t that patient and he won’t be happy with that. But before that happens JB has to transform our home form. It is truly poor and without any improvement we’re likely to be bumbling around nearer the bottom rather than the top. And with the squad that’s been assembled that would be very disappointing. A win tomorrow would be very welcome. UTG!
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Post by oldmarket65 on Sept 22, 2023 18:25:27 GMT
I think i'm in the minority but I don't think Connolly is anywhere near L1 standard. Watching on Tuesday with Gibbons / Hoole and Gordon + Belshaw brought back all the bad Laurel + Hardy memories from last season - the defence was a shambles at times and Belshaw trying to be centre of attention playing out from the back was embarrassing. Something else that got my goat was Gordon didn't warm up he spent the session talking in the centre circle Hunt / Wilson / Taylor / Grant + Friend are a huge uplift - Connolly does not fit in at all. That said we aren't the Promotion chasing outfit we think we are yet - there is still a lot to do. Do people think we are a promotion chasing outfit ?. I suppose everyone is entitled to an opinion but I don't see us anywhere above mid table. The bookies have us around 14th and our average attendances is around 14th. I would say top 4 . Bolton Pompey Derby Barnsley . Then there is teams like Peterboro Blackpool Wycombe Charlton even Wigan and Reading could make a late push. I would say we are in the mid bracket with teams like Oxford ( great start ) Exeter ( same ) Lincoln Vale . How can we say we are ready for a championship push with crowds of less than 8000 and expenditure of less than £400k on transfers ?. Let me make it clear the club have made great strides and are progressing on and off the field. But a promotion bid ?.
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Post by bathtubpirate on Sept 22, 2023 19:16:38 GMT
I think i'm in the minority but I don't think Connolly is anywhere near L1 standard. Watching on Tuesday with Gibbons / Hoole and Gordon + Belshaw brought back all the bad Laurel + Hardy memories from last season - the defence was a shambles at times and Belshaw trying to be centre of attention playing out from the back was embarrassing. Something else that got my goat was Gordon didn't warm up he spent the session talking in the centre circle Hunt / Wilson / Taylor / Grant + Friend are a huge uplift - Connolly does not fit in at all. That said we aren't the Promotion chasing outfit we think we are yet - there is still a lot to do. Do people think we are a promotion chasing outfit ?. I suppose everyone is entitled to an opinion but I don't see us anywhere above mid table. The bookies have us around 14th and our average attendances is around 14th. I would say top 4 . Bolton Pompey Derby Barnsley . Then there is teams like Peterboro Blackpool Wycombe Charlton even Wigan and Reading could make a late push. I would say we are in the mid bracket with teams like Oxford ( great start ) Exeter ( same ) Lincoln Vale . How can we say we are ready for a championship push with crowds of less than 8000 and expenditure of less than £400k on transfers ?. Let me make it clear the club have made great strides and are progressing on and off the field. But a promotion bid ?. I'm not sure attendance matters here - Barton is going for it regardless, he's a man is a hurry. He has shown he can build a deep squad without spending too much. Thomas and Taylor are great signings, Sinclair last year, Hunt looks to be a brilliant addition too. He also gets decent players on loan. So I think we have a good chance of getting into the promotion mix in the next few years. Only problem is if JB is patient enough and sticks around.
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Sept 22, 2023 20:11:02 GMT
Do people think we are a promotion chasing outfit ?. I suppose everyone is entitled to an opinion but I don't see us anywhere above mid table. The bookies have us around 14th and our average attendances is around 14th. I would say top 4 . Bolton Pompey Derby Barnsley . Then there is teams like Peterboro Blackpool Wycombe Charlton even Wigan and Reading could make a late push. I would say we are in the mid bracket with teams like Oxford ( great start ) Exeter ( same ) Lincoln Vale . How can we say we are ready for a championship push with crowds of less than 8000 and expenditure of less than £400k on transfers ?. Let me make it clear the club have made great strides and are progressing on and off the field. But a promotion bid ?. I'm not sure attendance matters here - Barton is going for it regardless, he's a man is a hurry. He has shown he can build a deep squad without spending too much. Thomas and Taylor are great signings, Sinclair last year, Hunt looks to be a brilliant addition too. He also gets decent players on loan. So I think we have a good chance of getting into the promotion mix in the next few years. Only problem is if JB is patient enough and sticks around. I think the comparison with Argyle made earlier is a good one , a steady placing this year and then look to promotion next.
Argyle also relied on lots of loans ,something JB has successful experience in ( albiet a div lower ).
Perhaps the most crucial factor was how good a manager Schumacher proved to be , and we await to see if JB is a half decent league one manager...
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Post by oldmarket65 on Sept 22, 2023 20:33:49 GMT
Do people think we are a promotion chasing outfit ?. I suppose everyone is entitled to an opinion but I don't see us anywhere above mid table. The bookies have us around 14th and our average attendances is around 14th. I would say top 4 . Bolton Pompey Derby Barnsley . Then there is teams like Peterboro Blackpool Wycombe Charlton even Wigan and Reading could make a late push. I would say we are in the mid bracket with teams like Oxford ( great start ) Exeter ( same ) Lincoln Vale . How can we say we are ready for a championship push with crowds of less than 8000 and expenditure of less than £400k on transfers ?. Let me make it clear the club have made great strides and are progressing on and off the field. But a promotion bid ?. I'm not sure attendance matters here - Barton is going for it regardless, he's a man is a hurry. He has shown he can build a deep squad without spending too much. Thomas and Taylor are great signings, Sinclair last year, Hunt looks to be a brilliant addition too. He also gets decent players on loan. So I think we have a good chance of getting into the promotion mix in the next few years. Only problem is if JB is patient enough and sticks around. Surely attendances matter . Sheff w Ipswich Plymouth all averaged over 15000 last year and were in the top 6. The other 3 Bolton Derby Pompey are all bookies favourites this season.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Sept 22, 2023 20:35:06 GMT
Do people think we are a promotion chasing outfit ?. I suppose everyone is entitled to an opinion but I don't see us anywhere above mid table. The bookies have us around 14th and our average attendances is around 14th. I would say top 4 . Bolton Pompey Derby Barnsley . Then there is teams like Peterboro Blackpool Wycombe Charlton even Wigan and Reading could make a late push. I would say we are in the mid bracket with teams like Oxford ( great start ) Exeter ( same ) Lincoln Vale . How can we say we are ready for a championship push with crowds of less than 8000 and expenditure of less than £400k on transfers ?. Let me make it clear the club have made great strides and are progressing on and off the field. But a promotion bid ?. I'm not sure attendance matters here - Barton is going for it regardless, he's a man is a hurry. He has shown he can build a deep squad without spending too much. Thomas and Taylor are great signings, Sinclair last year, Hunt looks to be a brilliant addition too. He also gets decent players on loan. So I think we have a good chance of getting into the promotion mix in the next few years. Only problem is if JB is patient enough and sticks around. Surely attendances matter . Sheff w Ipswich Plymouth all averaged over 15000 last year and were in the top 6. The other 3 Bolton Derby Pompey are all bookies favourites this season. www.oddschecker.com/football/english/league-1www.footballwebpages.co.uk/league-one/attendances/2022-2023
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Post by bathtubpirate on Sept 22, 2023 20:43:06 GMT
Attendance matters, but not in the context of Joey trying to get us up in the next year or two, is what I meant. He will be gone if he doesn't manage it soon and I think his choice of signings reflects the urgency.
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Post by alanrg on Sept 23, 2023 21:56:46 GMT
James Wilson out for 4-6 weeks tweaked his ankle ligaments on Thursday in training a clash of ankles and legs with Connor Taylor at the end of the session
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Post by Quarters on Sept 24, 2023 10:04:08 GMT
Gordon failed a test pre match. Looks like we have one center half fit and no left back. Just Grant to cover the two positions.
Vale did well at left back yesterday but fairly untested. Suppose we have Hoole and Gibbons as cover for CB and Gibbons has played LB.
Suddenly this squad looks light. Any youngsters to provide cover in defense?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 24, 2023 10:18:16 GMT
Gordon failed a test pre match. Looks like we have one center half fit and no left back. Just Grant to cover the two positions. Vale did well at left back yesterday but fairly untested. Suppose we have Hoole and Gibbons as cover for CB and Gibbons has played LB. Suddenly this squad looks light. Any youngsters to provide cover in defense? Ah we're overlapping threads. Nice post.
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Post by legas on Sept 24, 2023 10:32:18 GMT
Gordon failed a test pre match. Looks like we have one center half fit and no left back. Just Grant to cover the two positions. Vale did well at left back yesterday but fairly untested. Suppose we have Hoole and Gibbons as cover for CB and Gibbons has played LB. Suddenly this squad looks light. Any youngsters to provide cover in defense? If Gordon failed a late test then that suggests he’s not too bad. So, I think we’re ok with Gordon, Hunt, Taylor and Grant in defence (thought Grant did well there). But agree that that leaves us vulnerable to one more injury over the next 4-6 weeks (so 🤞). Harvey Vale was good at LB but instinctively played in a very forward position, which worked yesterday but could leave us open on that side against other opposition.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 10:46:45 GMT
Gordon failed a test pre match. Looks like we have one center half fit and no left back. Just Grant to cover the two positions. Vale did well at left back yesterday but fairly untested. Suppose we have Hoole and Gibbons as cover for CB and Gibbons has played LB. Suddenly this squad looks light. Any youngsters to provide cover in defense? injuries happen. You can't have 4 or 5 players for every position just in case the first two or three are out at the same time
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