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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 21:39:02 GMT
Yes, it is in the accounts. The group accounts have a disclosure in them. However, I would be willing to put a pint or two on the Key Management Personel being Wael, rather than JB. If you look at the group accounts for 2021, you will also see the same disclosure but with a different figure. That disclosure for the last few years has been: 2020 - £290k 2021 - £300k 2022 - £700k All under the same heading of Key Management Personel. JB joined us on 22nd Feb 21 (?). So this Key Management personel (could me more than one person) had already loaned a reasonable amount to the football club by then. Wael's a Director not Key Management Personnel, regardless why would he loan the club money when he writes off the annual debts anyway? Perhaps we've somebody in Management who's reasonably wealthy? Does TG class as Management or as a Director, if the former then it could explain why he seems unsackable!! Could we have more than one employee loaning the club money?? I suspect it is money owed to managers who’ve been shown the door and are owed their severance pay. Hard to tell until the next accounts come out. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 23, 2023 21:44:15 GMT
Yes, it is in the accounts. The group accounts have a disclosure in them. However, I would be willing to put a pint or two on the Key Management Personel being Wael, rather than JB. If you look at the group accounts for 2021, you will also see the same disclosure but with a different figure. That disclosure for the last few years has been: 2020 - £290k 2021 - £300k 2022 - £700k All under the same heading of Key Management Personel. JB joined us on 22nd Feb 21 (?). So this Key Management personel (could me more than one person) had already loaned a reasonable amount to the football club by then. Wael's a Director not Key Management Personnel, regardless why would he loan the club money when he writes off the annual debts anyway? Perhaps we've somebody in Management who's reasonably wealthy? Does TG class as Management or as a Director, if the former then it could explain why he seems unsackable!! Could we have more than one employee loaning the club money?? Key Management Person: "Those persons having authority and responsibility for planning, directing and controlling the activities of the entity, directly or indirectly, including any director (whether executive or otherwise) of that entity" So, Wael it is then. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 21:46:39 GMT
Wael's a Director not Key Management Personnel, regardless why would he loan the club money when he writes off the annual debts anyway? Perhaps we've somebody in Management who's reasonably wealthy? Does TG class as Management or as a Director, if the former then it could explain why he seems unsackable!! Could we have more than one employee loaning the club money?? Key Management Person: "Those persons having authority and responsibility for planning, directing and controlling the activities of the entity, directly or indirectly, including any director (whether executive or otherwise) of that entity" So, Wael it is then. The amounts don’t really add up with what we’d be getting from Wael though do they? The losses are much more than this. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 23, 2023 21:47:02 GMT
Wael's a Director not Key Management Personnel, regardless why would he loan the club money when he writes off the annual debts anyway? Perhaps we've somebody in Management who's reasonably wealthy? Does TG class as Management or as a Director, if the former then it could explain why he seems unsackable!! Could we have more than one employee loaning the club money?? I suspect it is money owed to managers who’ve been shown the door and are owed their severance pay. Hard to tell until the next accounts come out. I think that could be a good shout. However JB took over in Feb 21, so in 21 accounts. There was an increase from 21 accounts to 22 accounts, so that makes it less likely. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 23, 2023 21:51:55 GMT
Key Management Person: "Those persons having authority and responsibility for planning, directing and controlling the activities of the entity, directly or indirectly, including any director (whether executive or otherwise) of that entity" So, Wael it is then. The amounts don’t really add up with what we’d be getting from Wael though do they? The losses are much more than this. You have to remember that the majority of funding came through Dwayne Sports from Wael. This could be visa related...? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 21:58:18 GMT
I suspect it is money owed to managers who’ve been shown the door and are owed their severance pay. Hard to tell until the next accounts come out. I think that could be a good shout. However JB took over in Feb 21, so in 21 accounts. There was an increase from 21 accounts to 22 accounts, so that makes it less likely. Could be the money owed to Paul Tisdale? |
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Post by peterhooper57 on Oct 24, 2023 9:01:11 GMT
The JB forever crowd are the funniest. Maybe he’s league 2 at best. 2 more games. 10th or above by Christmas or you have failed and please leave. Excuses are done. As per, overreaction. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 24, 2023 10:18:44 GMT
I think that could be a good shout. However JB took over in Feb 21, so in 21 accounts. There was an increase from 21 accounts to 22 accounts, so that makes it less likely. Could be the money owed to Paul Tisdale? The accounts are for the period ending June. So Tisdale exited in Jan 21. So that doesn't explain the increase between 21 and 22. The forum is over thinking it. Its more likely to be Wael than anyone else. Visa requirements could be the reason. As much as some want it to be JB, the chance of that being the person is very low. The chance of it being Wael is very high. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 10:54:11 GMT
Could be the money owed to Paul Tisdale? The accounts are for the period ending June. So Tisdale exited in Jan 21. So that doesn't explain the increase between 21 and 22. The forum is over thinking it. Its more likely to be Wael than anyone else. Visa requirements could be the reason. As much as some want it to be JB, the chance of that being the person is very low. The chance of it being Wael is very high. It depends how the money owes is structured. If it’s monthly payments it’ll show in the following year as well. |
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Post by bluecamel on Oct 24, 2023 12:58:39 GMT
Truly want Joey to come through, but I do fear the worse, hopefully we see the light tonight and next Saturday
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Post by mariobalotelli on Oct 24, 2023 13:04:30 GMT
But you wanted Garner gone? Didn’t almost everyone ? 🤔 Literally nothing to do with my point relating to Marshys post? |
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 24, 2023 14:21:24 GMT
The JB forever crowd are the funniest. Maybe he’s league 2 at best. 2 more games. 10th or above by Christmas or you have failed and please leave. Excuses are done. As per, overreaction. Why is it an overreaction? We sacked Garner with PPG ratio better than what Barton currently has after a shorter time in terms of experience in L1 with us sat 1 place lower in the table. JB has enough experience of L1 to know what it takes to get us out of this division, according to him. Hes spent more money this year and apparently, signed better players. If that is the case then the common denominator for failure isnt the players, but on the team picked and the tactics employed before and during the game and that is on Bartons watch as its clearly not working. If it was working then after 13 games we would be top 8 looking upwards not 18th looking over our shoulder. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 24, 2023 14:49:36 GMT
Why is it an overreaction? We sacked Garner with PPG ratio better than what Barton currently has after a shorter time in terms of experience in L1 with us sat 1 place lower in the table. JB has enough experience of L1 to know what it takes to get us out of this division, according to him. Hes spent more money this year and apparently, signed better players. If that is the case then the common denominator for failure isnt the players, but on the team picked and the tactics employed before and during the game and that is on Bartons watch as its clearly not working. If it was working then after 13 games we would be top 8 looking upwards not 18th looking over our shoulder. Agreed , it’s time for the excuses to stop and we need wins now. |
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Post by pucklegas on Oct 24, 2023 14:58:54 GMT
He s had what he wanted, there is enough talent to mount a serious challenge, the team need to start being more consistent and start challenging, otherwise the pressure will intensify.
There are managers out there like John Eustace getting sacked for performing!
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 24, 2023 15:54:30 GMT
Why is it an overreaction? We sacked Garner with PPG ratio better than what Barton currently has after a shorter time in terms of experience in L1 with us sat 1 place lower in the table. JB has enough experience of L1 to know what it takes to get us out of this division, according to him. Hes spent more money this year and apparently, signed better players. If that is the case then the common denominator for failure isnt the players, but on the team picked and the tactics employed before and during the game and that is on Bartons watch as its clearly not working. If it was working then after 13 games we would be top 8 looking upwards not 18th looking over our shoulder. You have to take into consideration the chronic injury list plus recently the suspensions, assuming Crama and Hoole return tonight, along with Brown, then we're getting more like a full strength side. Fail to perform again tonight and it will be something to worry about. |
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Post by nailseamark on Oct 24, 2023 16:13:08 GMT
Why is it an overreaction? We sacked Garner with PPG ratio better than what Barton currently has after a shorter time in terms of experience in L1 with us sat 1 place lower in the table. JB has enough experience of L1 to know what it takes to get us out of this division, according to him. Hes spent more money this year and apparently, signed better players. If that is the case then the common denominator for failure isnt the players, but on the team picked and the tactics employed before and during the game and that is on Bartons watch as its clearly not working. If it was working then after 13 games we would be top 8 looking upwards not 18th looking over our shoulder. You have to take into consideration the chronic injury list plus recently the suspensions, assuming Crama and Hoole return tonight, along with Brown, then we're getting more like a full strength side. Fail to perform again tonight and it will be something to worry about. No you don’t nobody forced him to sign a bunch of old men and sick notes. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 24, 2023 17:18:51 GMT
You have to take into consideration the chronic injury list plus recently the suspensions, assuming Crama and Hoole return tonight, along with Brown, then we're getting more like a full strength side. Fail to perform again tonight and it will be something to worry about. No you don’t nobody forced him to sign a bunch of old men and sick notes. Apart from Friend none really fall under those categories. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 17:32:11 GMT
No you don’t nobody forced him to sign a bunch of old men and sick notes. Apart from Friend none really fall under those categories. James Wilson Grant Ward Josh Grant (new contract) Rossiter |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 24, 2023 18:36:00 GMT
If we lose tonight, he has to stay.
But if we win, he should definitely pack his bags and leave.
He deserves to finish on a high.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 24, 2023 18:42:54 GMT
Apart from Friend none really fall under those categories. James Wilson Grant Ward Josh Grant (new contract) Rossiter Grant an ever present this season, there's not much JB can do about Rossiter unless you think he can cancel his contract this season? Wilson played 80 games for Plymouth so hardly a sick note. Likewise Ward seems to have now injured his good leg! |
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