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Post by wallywalters on Oct 28, 2023 7:18:48 GMT
It’s evident from what some of the players and staff has said that Joey did not lose the dressing room. I can understand why they club might fire him for his outbursts. We do not win many friends. If the club have sacked him with no marquee new manager and we are interviewing Cotterel etc or internal appointment I think this is a bad move. They are all his players, it revolved around him and I sincerely doubt some of the absolute nobody managers we are being linked with can get these kind of players in. Shades of the Garner season here. Unless the new owners and Wael have someone better up their sleeve. If it’s assorted league 1 fodder getting the job then I think we will regret this I don't think anyone can argue that points per game this calendar year have been good enough. That being said I don't think I've ever and certainly not ever at rovers seen a sacked manager shown this much support from within the club and its supporters on being sacked. It's felt really strange a bit like sh** are we going to really regret this. I feel like the players could hit a downward spiral here they clearly wanted him to stay. JB just got us as a club and resonated with the majority of fans. The haters just hate him and who is is there was no changing that but wow the reaction since he's gone has been eye opening. Pray the players want to play for mangs going forward. Utg |
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Post by oldie on Oct 28, 2023 7:23:33 GMT
It’s evident from what some of the players and staff has said that Joey did not lose the dressing room. I can understand why they club might fire him for his outbursts. We do not win many friends. If the club have sacked him with no marquee new manager and we are interviewing Cotterel etc or internal appointment I think this is a bad move. They are all his players, it revolved around him and I sincerely doubt some of the absolute nobody managers we are being linked with can get these kind of players in. Shades of the Garner season here. Unless the new owners and Wael have someone better up their sleeve. If it’s assorted league 1 fodder getting the job then I think we will regret this I don't think anyone can argue that points per game this calendar year have been good enough. That being said I don't think I've ever and certainly not ever at rovers seen a sacked manager shown this much support from within the club and its supporters on being sacked. It's felt really strange a bit like sh** are we going to really regret this. I feel like the players could hit a downward spiral here they clearly wanted him to stay. JB just got us as a club and resonated with the majority of fans. The haters just hate him and who is is there was no changing that but wow the reaction since he's gone has been eye opening. Pray the players want to play for mangs going forward. Utg Pray the players are professional and do their job to their abilities. Pray also that tactically Mangan releases them from 65 minutes of keep ball (with zero outcome) |
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 28, 2023 7:28:47 GMT
I don't think anyone can argue that points per game this calendar year have been good enough. That being said I don't think I've ever and certainly not ever at rovers seen a sacked manager shown this much support from within the club and its supporters on being sacked. It's felt really strange a bit like sh** are we going to really regret this. I feel like the players could hit a downward spiral here they clearly wanted him to stay. JB just got us as a club and resonated with the majority of fans. The haters just hate him and who is is there was no changing that but wow the reaction since he's gone has been eye opening. Pray the players want to play for mangs going forward. Utg Pray the players are professional and do their job to their abilities. Pray also that tactically Mangan releases them from 65 minutes of keep ball (with zero outcome) It really is grating on the Barton haters how much support he's getting and how much he was loved 😂. He's living rent free in your heads even after he's gone |
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Post by oldie on Oct 28, 2023 8:04:11 GMT
Pray the players are professional and do their job to their abilities. Pray also that tactically Mangan releases them from 65 minutes of keep ball (with zero outcome) It really is grating on the Barton haters how much support he's getting and how much he was loved 😂. He's living rent free in your heads even after he's gone Excuse me? Are you ok? You appear to have replied to the wrong post. It bears no correlation to what I said! |
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Post by norton gasbottle on Oct 28, 2023 8:10:09 GMT
I get that you don’t like JB but even a slightest suggestion that the current group of players is no better than the relegation squad is just laughable and does you no credit. I think, personally, we can all agree that. I was looking forward to this season with the squad Barton put together but so far, with a couple of notable exceptions, the promise has not been realised. Who knows what triggered such a dramatic sacking which few anticipated at this point of the season. Was it that the new owners never liked him? Was it embarrassment over his language and comments? Was it because they lost faith in his ability to deliver? I suspect all three, two of which he (Barton) had control over and failed. |
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Post by norton gasbottle on Oct 28, 2023 8:10:47 GMT
I think, personally, we can all agree that. I was looking forward to this season with the squad Barton put together but so far, with a couple of notable exceptions, the promise has not been realised. Who knows what triggered such a dramatic sacking which few anticipated at this point of the season. Was it that the new owners never liked him? Was it embarrassment over his language and comments? Was it because they lost faith in his ability to deliver? I suspect all three, two of which he (Barton) had control over and failed. |
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Post by oldie on Oct 28, 2023 8:23:56 GMT
FFS Norton Try typing in a few words👺😈 |
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Post by gaschat on Oct 28, 2023 9:15:37 GMT
Maybe but based on where we were then and where we are now, the present squad is about as well assembled and shambolic as the one he inherited. I get that you don’t like JB but even a slightest suggestion that the current group of players is no better than the relegation squad is just laughable and does you no credit. You are a rose tinter, the position we are in is a reflection upon the footballing set up and that’s why JB was sacked…the points per game average since he was appointed is enough to guarantee a relegation struggle every season. |
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Post by Gassy on Oct 28, 2023 9:21:48 GMT
Pray the players are professional and do their job to their abilities. Pray also that tactically Mangan releases them from 65 minutes of keep ball (with zero outcome) It really is grating on the Barton haters how much support he's getting and how much he was loved 😂. He's living rent free in your heads even after he's gone I’m not sure you understand what that phrase means. Barton was our manager 48 hours ago for 3 years, we have no manager and about 95% of posts/threads right now are about Barton. Commenting about Barton on a Barton thread doesn’t constitute as ‘rent Fred’s |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 28, 2023 9:26:24 GMT
That's not true though is it. If the club were made aware that no fans were going to turn up because they were all united against a new appointment they would be gone. Fans have successfully boycotted clubs over player transfers in the past and the player sacked. David Goodwillie being an example. We don't know what would happen if JBs appointment was boycott. But we know that we are where we are because of JB. Exactly where we were before he joined. |
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Post by socrates on Oct 28, 2023 9:29:29 GMT
I find it bizarre and quite upsetting reading this forum how some of you are so horrible to each other because you don’t agree with each others opinions on Barton or what a real fan is or the style of football etc
It’s a football forum where people can give their opinions on all things football.
At the end of the day we all want our club to be successful and we all have our opinions on what’s needed to make that happen and we’re all entitled to say on here.
It’s a real shame that more can’t just have a debate in here without the childish nasty comments that are getting handed out left right and centre.
We’re all Gasheads we’re a family , why can’t we all try and show each other a bit more respect.
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Post by gasheadontour on Oct 28, 2023 10:34:00 GMT
Ayala joined Rotherham on the same day JB was sacked.
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Post by eric on Oct 28, 2023 10:43:45 GMT
I get that you don’t like JB but even a slightest suggestion that the current group of players is no better than the relegation squad is just laughable and does you no credit. You are a rose tinter, the position we are in is a reflection upon the footballing set up and that’s why JB was sacked…the points per game average since he was appointed is enough to guarantee a relegation struggle every season. Only my rose tinted glasses make Taylor & Crama better than Baldwin and Ehmer? Friend better than Tutonda? Evans better than Westbrooke? Marquis better than Ayunga etc,etc………. Regardless of what tints I have in my glasses today I’d take the current squad over the relegation squad every day of the week. I think you’d have to have masking tape over your glasses to think otherwise but if that’s what you genuinely think I respect your opinion even if it leaves me baffled. |
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Post by buktaboy on Oct 28, 2023 11:32:08 GMT
I get that you don’t like JB but even a slightest suggestion that the current group of players is no better than the relegation squad is just laughable and does you no credit. You are a rose tinter, the position we are in is a reflection upon the footballing set up and that’s why JB was sacked…the points per game average since he was appointed is enough to guarantee a relegation struggle every season. Nope, his average points total over the last two seasons is 1.22 which equates to 56 points over a season so about mid table. I guess you're including the season before relegation when he had a completely different set of players. If you're going to include that may as well include his pints total with Fleetwood too, which would push it higher. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 11:37:41 GMT
You are a rose tinter, the position we are in is a reflection upon the footballing set up and that’s why JB was sacked…the points per game average since he was appointed is enough to guarantee a relegation struggle every season. Nope, his average points total over the last two seasons is 1.22 which equates to 56 points over a season so about mid table. I guess you're including the season before relegation when he had a completely different set of players. If you're going to include that may as well include his pints total with Fleetwood too, which would push it higher. 1.16 actually which equates to 53 points and a low finish. It can be done to death but facts are results are why he’s been sacked and when you look at the stats it’s easy to see why. |
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Post by buktaboy on Oct 28, 2023 11:52:22 GMT
Nope, his average points total over the last two seasons is 1.22 which equates to 56 points over a season so about mid table. I guess you're including the season before relegation when he had a completely different set of players. If you're going to include that may as well include his pints total with Fleetwood too, which would push it higher. 1.16 actually which equates to 53 points and a low finish. It can be done to death but facts are results are why he’s been sacked and when you look at the stats it’s easy to see why. I don't think the stats do back it up. With players returning from injuries there's every indication we would have improved our points total and position from last season (53/17th). For all the talk of playoffs this for me was the main goal. The philosophy was there in plain site in Joey's mantra of Kaizan, continuous improvement. You only have to look at the example of Plymouth to see this works, before they were Champions they finished 7th, the season before that though they were 18th. I'm convinced the real reason for Joey's leaving is the new owners wanting to put their own man in charge, this would have never happened if Wael hadn't needed to give up control as a condition of the new investment. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 12:09:43 GMT
1.16 actually which equates to 53 points and a low finish. It can be done to death but facts are results are why he’s been sacked and when you look at the stats it’s easy to see why. I don't think the stats do back it up. With players returning from injuries there's every indication we would have improved our points total and position from last season (53/17th). For all the talk of playoffs this for me was the main goal. The philosophy was there in plain site in Joey's mantra of Kaizan, continuous improvement. You only have to look at the example of Plymouth to see this works, before they were Champions they finished 7th, the season before that though they were 18th. I'm convinced the real reason for Joey's leaving is the new owners wanting to put their own man in charge, this would have never happened if Wael hadn't needed to give up control as a condition of the new investment. There’s been no improvement in all that matters…results. He’s gone, Wael isn’t in sole charge and now it’s time for someone to come in and try to do what Joey couldn’t…get us up the league |
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Post by gasify on Oct 28, 2023 12:28:32 GMT
+3 league positions in 3 years…where would we have been if he hadn’t been such a conspicuous success? Possibly still in L2 or worse, back in the National League? The history book won't lie in the years to come, JB was one of just a handful of manager's to get us promoted in the league and he was the first Rovers manager to get us immediately promoted back to L1. There were lots of firsts with JB: First to find themselves in court for domestic violence. First to find themselves in court for driving car without a license. First to have to be banned from attending the stadium for the first three games of a season. First to be in court for GBH of another manager. First manager to have served 6 months (this one, I'm not sure of and guessing) Not sure we can praise the good firsts without remembering the bad ones. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 28, 2023 12:33:03 GMT
It's a good job we didn't all boycott the club when Joey got appointed or we would not have no club to support....have you thought of that? That's not true though is it. If the club were made aware that no fans were going to turn up because they were all united against a new appointment they would be gone. Fans have successfully boycotted clubs over player transfers in the past and the player sacked. David Goodwillie being an example. There is an interesting side to this discussion. If so many fans still want JB to be manager, why doesn't someone take on the job of leading that campaign? You are right Hugo. Any owners would have to reconsider if 95% of fans wanted him back. Not listening would massively devalue their investment. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 28, 2023 12:41:37 GMT
It’s evident from what some of the players and staff has said that Joey did not lose the dressing room. I can understand why they club might fire him for his outbursts. We do not win many friends. If the club have sacked him with no marquee new manager and we are interviewing Cotterel etc or internal appointment I think this is a bad move. They are all his players, it revolved around him and I sincerely doubt some of the absolute nobody managers we are being linked with can get these kind of players in. Shades of the Garner season here. Unless the new owners and Wael have someone better up their sleeve. If it’s assorted league 1 fodder getting the job then I think we will regret this Let's assume for a second, it was JB the enigma that attracted them. JB the manager didn't do them many favours. Harvey Vale the left back. |
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