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Post by gasify on Nov 22, 2023 6:55:14 GMT
Brentford are a smart club we should aspire to be like IMHO. trainingground.guru/tags/teams/brentford/Their stadium cost just over £70m and over the previous five years to the stadium being built the club had sold players for a combined value of £150m and up to 2021, the average age at which players were signed at Brentford in total since the 14/15 season was lower than 23-years-old. Brentford spent 7 seasons in the Championship at Griffin Park on crowds averaging about 10,300 and then won promotion to the Premier League despite having the fourth-lowest playing budget in the Championship, above only Preston, Rotherham and Burton. They punched above their weight mostly with a combination of smart recruitment and innovative coaching. The likes of Brentford and Luton have shown what is possible and also our former long time divisional rivals Brighton, Bournemouth, Swansea City, Cardiff etc. Swansea had a clear philosophy and you can see that by their managerial appointments when moving through the divisions: Roberto Martínez, Paulo Sousa, Brendan Rodgers, Michael Laudrup, Garry Monk, Graham Potter, Steve Cooper and Russell Martin. “I think the journey the club has been on has been absolutely remarkable. There should be a lot of clubs out there dreaming. Everything is possible if you work hard, have a clear strategy, top attitude and togetherness. I think then everything is achievable in the world” said Brentford Head Coach Thomas Frank. Lee Dykes, the club’s current Technical Director, who has been there since 2019 after joining from Bury, said: “Matthew [Benham, owner] will tell you himself that we never want to be in a position where we have to outspend our competitors – we out think them. That’s why it’s such an innovative club and everything recruitment wise is geared towards that philosophy.” Former Director of Football Rasmus Ankersen said during his time at the club: “Recruitment is the bread and butter of Brentford because we have one of the lowest revenues in the league. We need to make the business sustainable by buying cheap and selling expensive, which is what we’ve done over the last few years. “It comes down to not only being able to identify undervalued talent in the market but also we invest a lot in the development of players. We invest in different types of specialists, whether it be sleep coaches, kicking coaches, to try and raise the level of the players who come in." talksport.com/football/fa-cup/659667/brentford-data-revolution-england-smartest-club-championship-leicester-fa-cup/trainingground.guru/articles/ankersen-how-backroom-investment-pays-off-for-brentfordwww.standard.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-appoint-sleep-specialists-and-ballstriking-coaches-to-claim-edge-in-premier-league-promotion-race-a3945156.htmlbreakingthelines.com/squad-analysis/mathew-benham-brentford-a-story-on-innovation-through-statistical-analysis/trainingground.guru/articles/phil-giles-staying-ahead-of-the-curve-at-brentfordTSG 1899 Hoffenheim are a Bundesliga club that made a 19-year journey from Germany’s fifth division to the Champions League with the help of similiar innovative methods too. www.computerweekly.com/news/450423973/TSG-1899-Hoffenheim-gets-faster-in-the-head-with-SAP-analyticswww.forbes.com/sites/sap/2017/08/15/tsg-hoffenheim-is-tops-in-tech-and-talent/amp/I f*cking love that.
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Post by oldie on Nov 22, 2023 7:10:44 GMT
Brentford are a smart club we should aspire to be like IMHO. trainingground.guru/tags/teams/brentford/Their stadium cost just over £70m and over the previous five years to the stadium being built the club had sold players for a combined value of £150m and up to 2021, the average age at which players were signed at Brentford in total since the 14/15 season was lower than 23-years-old. Brentford spent 7 seasons in the Championship at Griffin Park on crowds averaging about 10,300 and then won promotion to the Premier League despite having the fourth-lowest playing budget in the Championship, above only Preston, Rotherham and Burton. They punched above their weight mostly with a combination of smart recruitment and innovative coaching. The likes of Brentford and Luton have shown what is possible and also our former long time divisional rivals Brighton, Bournemouth, Swansea City, Cardiff etc. Swansea had a clear philosophy and you can see that by their managerial appointments when moving through the divisions: Roberto Martínez, Paulo Sousa, Brendan Rodgers, Michael Laudrup, Garry Monk, Graham Potter, Steve Cooper and Russell Martin. “I think the journey the club has been on has been absolutely remarkable. There should be a lot of clubs out there dreaming. Everything is possible if you work hard, have a clear strategy, top attitude and togetherness. I think then everything is achievable in the world” said Brentford Head Coach Thomas Frank. Lee Dykes, the club’s current Technical Director, who has been there since 2019 after joining from Bury, said: “Matthew [Benham, owner] will tell you himself that we never want to be in a position where we have to outspend our competitors – we out think them. That’s why it’s such an innovative club and everything recruitment wise is geared towards that philosophy.” Former Director of Football Rasmus Ankersen said during his time at the club: “Recruitment is the bread and butter of Brentford because we have one of the lowest revenues in the league. We need to make the business sustainable by buying cheap and selling expensive, which is what we’ve done over the last few years. “It comes down to not only being able to identify undervalued talent in the market but also we invest a lot in the development of players. We invest in different types of specialists, whether it be sleep coaches, kicking coaches, to try and raise the level of the players who come in." talksport.com/football/fa-cup/659667/brentford-data-revolution-england-smartest-club-championship-leicester-fa-cup/trainingground.guru/articles/ankersen-how-backroom-investment-pays-off-for-brentfordwww.standard.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-appoint-sleep-specialists-and-ballstriking-coaches-to-claim-edge-in-premier-league-promotion-race-a3945156.htmlbreakingthelines.com/squad-analysis/mathew-benham-brentford-a-story-on-innovation-through-statistical-analysis/trainingground.guru/articles/phil-giles-staying-ahead-of-the-curve-at-brentfordTSG 1899 Hoffenheim are a Bundesliga club that made a 19-year journey from Germany’s fifth division to the Champions League with the help of similiar innovative methods too. www.computerweekly.com/news/450423973/TSG-1899-Hoffenheim-gets-faster-in-the-head-with-SAP-analyticswww.forbes.com/sites/sap/2017/08/15/tsg-hoffenheim-is-tops-in-tech-and-talent/amp/I f*cking love that. Ditto
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Post by Gaswood on Nov 22, 2023 8:03:05 GMT
Very true. Swansea are a good example...they did very well indeed initially but being stuck in the Championship has hurt them. They lost £13m last year. That's not to say we couldn't benefit from some strategic thinking. Wael promised all that initially but has flip flopped around with numerous stadium strategies and wildly differing managerial appointments. They had a plan and philosophy under Huw Jenkins and stuck to it which got them to the Premier League and several seasons challenging in the Championship. Things started to go wrong after the club's sale to the American consortium in 2016. Their Prem days and even now in the Championship are quite the contrast to when I started watched Rovers when Swansea were playing in the division below infront of about 3,000 fans at the Vetch Field. So we appoint Garry Monk and fly up the leagues making Wael the new Huw!💃🏻🙌
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Post by Fetch on Nov 22, 2023 8:33:05 GMT
Reminds me of the film Moneyball. “There are good teams and there are bad teams. Then there’s 50ft of crap. And then there’s us. We have to think differently.”
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Post by pirate on Nov 22, 2023 8:50:37 GMT
Reminds me of the film Moneyball. “There are good teams and there are bad teams. Then there’s 50ft of crap. And then there’s us. We have to think differently.” "Data is a big part of the recruitment process," Rasmus Ankersen, Brentford’s former co-director of football, said. "There's no player I've ever recruited at Brentford without data having its say, but also no player recruited without the traditional method having had a say. Data can tell you where to look, but cannot tell you exactly who to pick" says Ankersen. “The key is being able to identify undervalued talent in the market, develop them, and then sell them on for profit, gradually building more value into the squad and gradually increasing the level of the squad” said Ankersen.
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Post by gascloud on Nov 22, 2023 10:41:36 GMT
What would happen if all clubs adopted this policy? Would all clubs be successful 🤷♂️picking out teams who’ve had a purple patch and claiming they’ve discovered something special or undiscovered is flawed. These clubs will soon run out of steam/ luck/ new ideas and it all goes round again. No nailed on solutions for continued success I’m afraid. I guess if all clubs did it then there’d be better run clubs and football may turn into a more sustainable ‘industry’ because the great losses wouldn’t be made. And if you’re a smaller club you have to find other ways to compete against the giants who can just throw money at it. You have to find other ways. Brentford and Brighton can’t compete financially with the big 6/7 but they can compete in a match as they have shown. What are our losses? Just to stay where we are. Of course there are cycles of failure and success. But it’s a tad silly to suggest that the ways that they do it is flawed. I doubt many fans would expect that the way Brighton, Brentford have done what they’ve done to get where they’ve got is flawed. I can’t think their fans would hark back to the ‘good old days’ of slogging around the lower leagues and in Brightons case dicing with going out of the league. (Them and Hereford competing on the last day to finish 91st in the league) I don’t think you mean that. Do you? But I do agree with there being no ‘nailed on solutions for continued success’, there isn’t of course but being sustainable gives you a better chance I think. UTG! Flawed as that any success the little changes may appear to bring may not entirely be attributed to these changes. They may have hit the jackpot with a prolific striker or a manager that was a perfect fit for a year or two. Yes clubs should strive to be the best they can but there are 92 clubs, more as non league clubs are getting in on the act, all wanting to be the next Brentford or Brighton. All clubs now get their players to eat nutritional food now, started probably by Arsenal, rest and relaxation for players at all levels is a thing. But to think there could be a text book written for future success seems to me, crazy.
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Post by pirate on Nov 22, 2023 11:02:27 GMT
I guess if all clubs did it then there’d be better run clubs and football may turn into a more sustainable ‘industry’ because the great losses wouldn’t be made. And if you’re a smaller club you have to find other ways to compete against the giants who can just throw money at it. You have to find other ways. Brentford and Brighton can’t compete financially with the big 6/7 but they can compete in a match as they have shown. What are our losses? Just to stay where we are. Of course there are cycles of failure and success. But it’s a tad silly to suggest that the ways that they do it is flawed. I doubt many fans would expect that the way Brighton, Brentford have done what they’ve done to get where they’ve got is flawed. I can’t think their fans would hark back to the ‘good old days’ of slogging around the lower leagues and in Brightons case dicing with going out of the league. (Them and Hereford competing on the last day to finish 91st in the league) I don’t think you mean that. Do you? But I do agree with there being no ‘nailed on solutions for continued success’, there isn’t of course but being sustainable gives you a better chance I think. UTG! Flawed as that any success the little changes may appear to bring may not entirely be attributed to these changes. They may have hit the jackpot with a prolific striker or a manager that was a perfect fit for a year or two. Yes clubs should strive to be the best they can but there are 92 clubs, more as non league clubs are getting in on the act, all wanting to be the next Brentford or Brighton. All clubs now get their players to eat nutritional food now, started probably by Arsenal, rest and relaxation for players at all levels is a thing. But to think there could be a text book written for future success seems to me, crazy. Football is a game of fine margins where you are always striving to improve and if that involves innovation and taking a few calculated gambles and risks to get better, so be it. Brentford have done things differently to many clubs with various specific types of performance coaches, sports science, data and even sleep experts have been employed to find those marginal gains. There are always areas for adaption and improvement and it can't hurt to think outside the box at times like Brentford have done. Trying the same things over and over expecting different results is crazy.
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Post by badengas on Nov 22, 2023 11:09:43 GMT
Give the job to Mangan today.
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Post by Marshy on Nov 22, 2023 11:20:22 GMT
Give the job to Mangan today. I think we can all see what’s happening here, win at Derby and the jobs his as it makes it easy for our dithering board! Lose, and well who knows what the plan is 🤷♂️.
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Post by RD on Nov 22, 2023 12:15:27 GMT
Give the job to Mangan today. I think we can all see what’s happening here, win at Derby and the jobs his as it makes it easy for our dithering board! Lose, and well who knows what the plan is 🤷♂️. Lose and we give him Leyton Orient to prove himself Lose that, and we give him the Crewe FA Cup game Lose that and....
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Post by Marshy on Nov 22, 2023 12:17:22 GMT
I think we can all see what’s happening here, win at Derby and the jobs his as it makes it easy for our dithering board! Lose, and well who knows what the plan is 🤷♂️. Lose and we give him Leyton Orient to prove himself Lose that, and we give him the Crewe FA Cup game Lose that and.... Rod Hull & Emu?
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Post by RD on Nov 22, 2023 12:20:21 GMT
Lose and we give him Leyton Orient to prove himself Lose that, and we give him the Crewe FA Cup game Lose that and.... Rod Hull & Emu? There's no way they'd lower themselves to our level
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Post by heartofgas on Nov 22, 2023 13:15:12 GMT
Lose and we give him Leyton Orient to prove himself Lose that, and we give him the Crewe FA Cup game Lose that and.... Rod Hull & Emu? They'd give us a good aerial threat.
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Post by baggins on Nov 22, 2023 13:18:33 GMT
They'd give us a good aerial threat. Get out.
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Post by heartofgas on Nov 22, 2023 13:21:37 GMT
I think all lower league teams want to be Brentford or Bournemouth and I'm sure every team will be saying the same things. They had the luck to get them there. I would also add that it is a lot easier to recruit talent in London than it is in Bristol.
The thing that has always been lacking for us is the facilities behind the club holding us back. This limits our support base and potentially hinders us with making signings. It's certainly not an overnight fix for rovers but I do think we are heading in the right direction. We just have to be vaery careful who we appoint. We don't want to be on the conveyor belt of management changes.
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Post by pirate on Nov 22, 2023 13:38:55 GMT
I think all lower league teams want to be Brentford or Bournemouth and I'm sure every team will be saying the same things. They had the luck to get them there. I would also add that it is a lot easier to recruit talent in London than it is in Bristol. The thing that has always been lacking for us is the facilities behind the club holding us back. This limits our support base and potentially hinders us with making signings. It's certainly not an overnight fix for rovers but I do think we are heading in the right direction. We just have to be vaery careful who we appoint. We don't want to be on the conveyor belt of management changes. There is a big old world out there, perhaps moving forward we could put things in place where we can scout and recruit from abroad and further afield? It doesn't seem to be a big thing in leagues one and two in this country, but there are many talented players across the world earning a lot less that would improve us and if we get it right and could give us an advantage. Brentford had a bit of luck as all teams need, but they had the vision and bravery to try things a bit different and stick to their principles and long-term plan. I think the thing holding us back has been a clear vision and plan and appointing the correct people to relevant positions. Better facilities helps of course, but we now have that with the quarters training ground, the question now is do with have a clear vision who is going to lead the various football and off field departments to help the club achieve their objectives???
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Post by Quarters on Nov 22, 2023 14:09:52 GMT
I think all lower league teams want to be Brentford or Bournemouth and I'm sure every team will be saying the same things. They had the luck to get them there. I would also add that it is a lot easier to recruit talent in London than it is in Bristol. The thing that has always been lacking for us is the facilities behind the club holding us back. This limits our support base and potentially hinders us with making signings. It's certainly not an overnight fix for rovers but I do think we are heading in the right direction. We just have to be vaery careful who we appoint. We don't want to be on the conveyor belt of management changes. There is a big old world out there, perhaps moving forward we could put things in place where we can scout and recruit from abroad and further afield? It doesn't seem to be a big thing in leagues one and two in this country, but there are many talented players across the world earning a lot less that would improve us and if we get it right and could give us an advantage. Brentford had a bit of luck as all teams need, but they had the vision and bravery to try things a bit different and stick to their principles and long-term plan. I think the thing holding us back has been a clear vision and plan and appointing the correct people to relevant positions. Better facilities helps of course, but we now have that with the quarters training ground, the question now is do with have a clear vision who is going to lead the various football and off field departments to help the club achieve their objectives??? Thought we had a vision when Garner came in. It was a vision other clubs are trying but we failed in the execution of it. Someone then ripped it up.
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Post by baggins on Nov 22, 2023 14:16:51 GMT
Point or better Saturday and it's got to be Mangan.
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Post by Claremont Gas on Nov 22, 2023 14:42:44 GMT
Point or better Saturday and it's got to be Mangan. Think you might be right Bags ... Not sure this is the most diligent way to appoint a new manager. When I heard Wael was in charge of the search though i feared this is where we might be weeks later.
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 22, 2023 14:49:55 GMT
Point or better Saturday and it's got to be Mangan. Think you might be right Bags ... Not sure this is the most diligent way to appoint a new manager. When I heard Wael was in charge of the search though i feared this is where we might be weeks later. Who said Wael was in charge?? I thought the new owner said that they would all be looking into it? The new owner will always get the deciding vote, as he is the majority share holder. Going off the interview, the owner and his son are not involved than we all thought. He spoke about being around the club daily etc
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