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Post by bidefordgas on Nov 21, 2023 17:48:16 GMT
I Wonder if any of the applicants would take a DoF role? Mangan will need a Lennie of sorts. Appointing him alone would be utter madness for his first time managing. I don't see us making wholesale changes throughout our staff, so it would seem the above is the most sensible option. So maybe the question isn't who is the Head coach going to be, more who is going to be the DoF? UTG If you know what you want it shouldn't be too difficult to identify the right candidate for a DoF type of role. I don't understand why someone hasn't already been appointed to be honest, especially with the rumours of Eddy Jennings leaving the club 4/5 weeks ago. I'm not sure what is taking so long with the restructuring because the new owners have been reportedly looking at the club and doing due diligence for the past 9 months, so surely they have some sort of idea what and who they want as DoF and in the meantime have been identifying and negotiating with people in the background? If Jennings has left the club, surely the person who removed JB’s profile from the website would have removed EJ’s as it was right next to Joeys.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 21, 2023 18:04:58 GMT
If you know what you want it shouldn't be too difficult to identify the right candidate for a DoF type of role. I don't understand why someone hasn't already been appointed to be honest, especially with the rumours of Eddy Jennings leaving the club 4/5 weeks ago. I'm not sure what is taking so long with the restructuring because the new owners have been reportedly looking at the club and doing due diligence for the past 9 months, so surely they have some sort of idea what and who they want as DoF and in the meantime have been identifying and negotiating with people in the background? If Jennings has left the club, surely the person who removed JB’s profile from the website would have removed EJ’s as it was right next to Joeys. Why would Jennings still be at the club once JB's left, when they seem to go everywhere together?
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Post by pirate on Nov 21, 2023 18:08:59 GMT
If you know what you want it shouldn't be too difficult to identify the right candidate for a DoF type of role. I don't understand why someone hasn't already been appointed to be honest, especially with the rumours of Eddy Jennings leaving the club 4/5 weeks ago. I'm not sure what is taking so long with the restructuring because the new owners have been reportedly looking at the club and doing due diligence for the past 9 months, so surely they have some sort of idea what and who they want as DoF and in the meantime have been identifying and negotiating with people in the background? If Jennings has left the club, surely the person who removed JB’s profile from the website would have removed EJ’s as it was right next to Joeys. Who knows, but with the new owners wanting to make their own appointments of "club staff rather than the manager’s staff" and him being a mate of Joey's and appointed by him, he will presumably be on his way out sooner rather than later, if not already. 9 months or so is a long time to think things over and decide how you want the club structured and who to lead it, so I look forward to seeing what changes they make and who they appoint. 41 days until the transfer window opens, the clock is ticking.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Nov 21, 2023 18:27:51 GMT
Was guest speaker at Stafford Rangers Fri evening on his life as a football manager.Well received but after his debacle at Grimsby surely not for us.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Nov 21, 2023 18:59:38 GMT
Was guest speaker at Stafford Rangers Fri evening on his life as a football manager.Well received but after his debacle at Grimsby surely not for us. I don't know the details of what happened at Grimsby , never the less ,much as i love Olly to bits i just can't see him being content to stay in the background aka Lennie who played the role to perfection imho.
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Post by gasheadontour on Nov 21, 2023 20:03:32 GMT
The owners were clear about wanting a younger manager with experience of promotion and managing at a higher level. Also mentioned was that backroom staff would be employed by the club - the club wouldn't then incurr the cost of replacing other staff when sacking a manager. The thing is... Once in place a manager can ignore club staff and go to his own contacts anyway.
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Post by gasify on Nov 21, 2023 20:10:00 GMT
The owners were clear about wanting a younger manager with experience of promotion and managing at a higher level. Also mentioned was that backroom staff would be employed by the club - the club wouldn't then incurr the cost of replacing other staff when sacking a manager. The thing is... Once in place a manager can ignore club staff and go to his own contacts anyway. Ian Holloway could be classed as Younger Manager, just depends who he is being compared to... Warnock?
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Post by twertongas on Nov 21, 2023 20:29:37 GMT
Well I suppose the owners are just custodians and we are the real ones in charge, so who's got ollies number? Wonder what his opinion is on the role of DoF? Lol
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Post by twertongas on Nov 21, 2023 20:35:04 GMT
Holloway, Holloway, ollie Holloway, he hits the ball and scores a goal, ollie Holloway!
I am a rovers fan, I come from down your way and I can play!!! What can you play!!! I play the Holloway! Ollie ollie Holloway, Holloway, Holloway, ollie ollie Holloway, ollie Holloway! Penny penny Penrice lol...
I miss the 90's and the older songs from being a youngster! 😪
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Post by pirate on Nov 21, 2023 21:32:50 GMT
Brentford are a smart club we should aspire to be like IMHO. trainingground.guru/tags/teams/brentford/Their stadium cost just over £70m and over the previous five years to the stadium being built the club had sold players for a combined value of £150m and up to 2021, the average age at which players were signed at Brentford in total since the 14/15 season was lower than 23-years-old. Brentford spent 7 seasons in the Championship at Griffin Park on crowds averaging about 10,300 and then won promotion to the Premier League despite having the fourth-lowest playing budget in the Championship, above only Preston, Rotherham and Burton. They punched above their weight mostly with a combination of smart recruitment and innovative coaching. The likes of Brentford and Luton have shown what is possible and also our former long time divisional rivals Brighton, Bournemouth, Swansea City, Cardiff etc. Swansea had a clear philosophy and you can see that by their managerial appointments when moving through the divisions: Roberto Martínez, Paulo Sousa, Brendan Rodgers, Michael Laudrup, Garry Monk, Graham Potter, Steve Cooper and Russell Martin. “I think the journey the club has been on has been absolutely remarkable. There should be a lot of clubs out there dreaming. Everything is possible if you work hard, have a clear strategy, top attitude and togetherness. I think then everything is achievable in the world” said Brentford Head Coach Thomas Frank. Lee Dykes, the club’s current Technical Director, who has been there since 2019 after joining from Bury, said: “Matthew [Benham, owner] will tell you himself that we never want to be in a position where we have to outspend our competitors – we out think them. That’s why it’s such an innovative club and everything recruitment wise is geared towards that philosophy.” Former Director of Football Rasmus Ankersen said during his time at the club: “Recruitment is the bread and butter of Brentford because we have one of the lowest revenues in the league. We need to make the business sustainable by buying cheap and selling expensive, which is what we’ve done over the last few years. “It comes down to not only being able to identify undervalued talent in the market but also we invest a lot in the development of players. We invest in different types of specialists, whether it be sleep coaches, kicking coaches, to try and raise the level of the players who come in." talksport.com/football/fa-cup/659667/brentford-data-revolution-england-smartest-club-championship-leicester-fa-cup/trainingground.guru/articles/ankersen-how-backroom-investment-pays-off-for-brentfordwww.standard.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-appoint-sleep-specialists-and-ballstriking-coaches-to-claim-edge-in-premier-league-promotion-race-a3945156.htmlbreakingthelines.com/squad-analysis/mathew-benham-brentford-a-story-on-innovation-through-statistical-analysis/trainingground.guru/articles/phil-giles-staying-ahead-of-the-curve-at-brentfordTSG 1899 Hoffenheim are a Bundesliga club that made a 19-year journey from Germany’s fifth division to the Champions League with the help of similiar innovative methods too. www.computerweekly.com/news/450423973/TSG-1899-Hoffenheim-gets-faster-in-the-head-with-SAP-analyticswww.forbes.com/sites/sap/2017/08/15/tsg-hoffenheim-is-tops-in-tech-and-talent/amp/
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Post by gasheadontour on Nov 21, 2023 21:48:56 GMT
Matt Taylor's assistants included former Rovers player Wayne Carlisle who is expected to be in charge of Rotherham until at least they play Leeds on Friday ñight.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 21, 2023 22:02:03 GMT
Brentford are a smart club we should aspire to be like IMHO. trainingground.guru/tags/teams/brentford/Their stadium cost just over £70m and over the previous five years to the stadium being built the club had sold players for a combined value of £150m and up to 2021, the average age at which players were signed at Brentford in total since the 14/15 season was lower than 23-years-old. Brentford spent 7 seasons in the Championship at Griffin Park on crowds averaging about 10,300 and then won promotion to the Premier League despite having the fourth-lowest playing budget in the Championship, above only Preston, Rotherham and Burton. They punched above their weight mostly with a combination of smart recruitment and innovative coaching. The likes of Brentford and Luton have shown what is possible and also our former long time divisional rivals Brighton, Bournemouth, Swansea City, Cardiff etc. Swansea had a clear philosophy and you can see that by their managerial appointments when moving through the divisions: Roberto Martínez, Paulo Sousa, Brendan Rodgers, Michael Laudrup, Garry Monk, Graham Potter, Steve Cooper and Russell Martin. “I think the journey the club has been on has been absolutely remarkable. There should be a lot of clubs out there dreaming. Everything is possible if you work hard, have a clear strategy, top attitude and togetherness. I think then everything is achievable in the world” said Brentford Head Coach Thomas Frank. Lee Dykes, the club’s current Technical Director, who has been there since 2019 after joining from Bury, said: “Matthew [Benham, owner] will tell you himself that we never want to be in a position where we have to outspend our competitors – we out think them. That’s why it’s such an innovative club and everything recruitment wise is geared towards that philosophy.” Former Director of Football Rasmus Ankersen said during his time at the club: “Recruitment is the bread and butter of Brentford because we have one of the lowest revenues in the league. We need to make the business sustainable by buying cheap and selling expensive, which is what we’ve done over the last few years. “It comes down to not only being able to identify undervalued talent in the market but also we invest a lot in the development of players. We invest in different types of specialists, whether it be sleep coaches, kicking coaches, to try and raise the level of the players who come in." talksport.com/football/fa-cup/659667/brentford-data-revolution-england-smartest-club-championship-leicester-fa-cup/trainingground.guru/articles/ankersen-how-backroom-investment-pays-off-for-brentfordwww.standard.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-appoint-sleep-specialists-and-ballstriking-coaches-to-claim-edge-in-premier-league-promotion-race-a3945156.htmlbreakingthelines.com/squad-analysis/mathew-benham-brentford-a-story-on-innovation-through-statistical-analysis/trainingground.guru/articles/phil-giles-staying-ahead-of-the-curve-at-brentfordTSG 1899 Hoffenheim are a Bundesliga club that made a 19-year journey from Germany’s fifth division to the Champions League with the help of similiar innovative methods too. www.computerweekly.com/news/450423973/TSG-1899-Hoffenheim-gets-faster-in-the-head-with-SAP-analyticswww.forbes.com/sites/sap/2017/08/15/tsg-hoffenheim-is-tops-in-tech-and-talent/amp/Good reading pirate. It seems so full of common sense when you read. The Brentford owner came in with a clear vision and a strategy to achieve it. I guess BRFC need to have someone with a vision and a clear strategy to get there. Appointing some ‘club’ staff along those lines would be a good start. UTG!
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Post by gascloud on Nov 21, 2023 22:16:43 GMT
Brentford are a smart club we should aspire to be like IMHO. trainingground.guru/tags/teams/brentford/Their stadium cost just over £70m and over the previous five years to the stadium being built the club had sold players for a combined value of £150m and up to 2021, the average age at which players were signed at Brentford in total since the 14/15 season was lower than 23-years-old. Brentford spent 7 seasons in the Championship at Griffin Park on crowds averaging about 10,300 and then won promotion to the Premier League despite having the fourth-lowest playing budget in the Championship, above only Preston, Rotherham and Burton. They punched above their weight mostly with a combination of smart recruitment and innovative coaching. The likes of Brentford and Luton have shown what is possible and also our former long time divisional rivals Brighton, Bournemouth, Swansea City, Cardiff etc. Swansea had a clear philosophy and you can see that by their managerial appointments when moving through the divisions: Roberto Martínez, Paulo Sousa, Brendan Rodgers, Michael Laudrup, Garry Monk, Graham Potter, Steve Cooper and Russell Martin. “I think the journey the club has been on has been absolutely remarkable. There should be a lot of clubs out there dreaming. Everything is possible if you work hard, have a clear strategy, top attitude and togetherness. I think then everything is achievable in the world” said Brentford Head Coach Thomas Frank. Lee Dykes, the club’s current Technical Director, who has been there since 2019 after joining from Bury, said: “Matthew [Benham, owner] will tell you himself that we never want to be in a position where we have to outspend our competitors – we out think them. That’s why it’s such an innovative club and everything recruitment wise is geared towards that philosophy.” Former Director of Football Rasmus Ankersen said during his time at the club: “Recruitment is the bread and butter of Brentford because we have one of the lowest revenues in the league. We need to make the business sustainable by buying cheap and selling expensive, which is what we’ve done over the last few years. “It comes down to not only being able to identify undervalued talent in the market but also we invest a lot in the development of players. We invest in different types of specialists, whether it be sleep coaches, kicking coaches, to try and raise the level of the players who come in." talksport.com/football/fa-cup/659667/brentford-data-revolution-england-smartest-club-championship-leicester-fa-cup/trainingground.guru/articles/ankersen-how-backroom-investment-pays-off-for-brentfordwww.standard.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-appoint-sleep-specialists-and-ballstriking-coaches-to-claim-edge-in-premier-league-promotion-race-a3945156.htmlbreakingthelines.com/squad-analysis/mathew-benham-brentford-a-story-on-innovation-through-statistical-analysis/trainingground.guru/articles/phil-giles-staying-ahead-of-the-curve-at-brentfordTSG 1899 Hoffenheim are a Bundesliga club that made a 19-year journey from Germany’s fifth division to the Champions League with the help of similiar innovative methods too. www.computerweekly.com/news/450423973/TSG-1899-Hoffenheim-gets-faster-in-the-head-with-SAP-analyticswww.forbes.com/sites/sap/2017/08/15/tsg-hoffenheim-is-tops-in-tech-and-talent/amp/What would happen if all clubs adopted this policy? Would all clubs be successful 🤷♂️picking out teams who’ve had a purple patch and claiming they’ve discovered something special or undiscovered is flawed. These clubs will soon run out of steam/ luck/ new ideas and it all goes round again. No nailed on solutions for continued success I’m afraid.
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Post by pirate on Nov 21, 2023 22:24:54 GMT
Brentford are a smart club we should aspire to be like IMHO. trainingground.guru/tags/teams/brentford/Their stadium cost just over £70m and over the previous five years to the stadium being built the club had sold players for a combined value of £150m and up to 2021, the average age at which players were signed at Brentford in total since the 14/15 season was lower than 23-years-old. Brentford spent 7 seasons in the Championship at Griffin Park on crowds averaging about 10,300 and then won promotion to the Premier League despite having the fourth-lowest playing budget in the Championship, above only Preston, Rotherham and Burton. They punched above their weight mostly with a combination of smart recruitment and innovative coaching. The likes of Brentford and Luton have shown what is possible and also our former long time divisional rivals Brighton, Bournemouth, Swansea City, Cardiff etc. Swansea had a clear philosophy and you can see that by their managerial appointments when moving through the divisions: Roberto Martínez, Paulo Sousa, Brendan Rodgers, Michael Laudrup, Garry Monk, Graham Potter, Steve Cooper and Russell Martin. “I think the journey the club has been on has been absolutely remarkable. There should be a lot of clubs out there dreaming. Everything is possible if you work hard, have a clear strategy, top attitude and togetherness. I think then everything is achievable in the world” said Brentford Head Coach Thomas Frank. Lee Dykes, the club’s current Technical Director, who has been there since 2019 after joining from Bury, said: “Matthew [Benham, owner] will tell you himself that we never want to be in a position where we have to outspend our competitors – we out think them. That’s why it’s such an innovative club and everything recruitment wise is geared towards that philosophy.” Former Director of Football Rasmus Ankersen said during his time at the club: “Recruitment is the bread and butter of Brentford because we have one of the lowest revenues in the league. We need to make the business sustainable by buying cheap and selling expensive, which is what we’ve done over the last few years. “It comes down to not only being able to identify undervalued talent in the market but also we invest a lot in the development of players. We invest in different types of specialists, whether it be sleep coaches, kicking coaches, to try and raise the level of the players who come in." talksport.com/football/fa-cup/659667/brentford-data-revolution-england-smartest-club-championship-leicester-fa-cup/trainingground.guru/articles/ankersen-how-backroom-investment-pays-off-for-brentfordwww.standard.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-appoint-sleep-specialists-and-ballstriking-coaches-to-claim-edge-in-premier-league-promotion-race-a3945156.htmlbreakingthelines.com/squad-analysis/mathew-benham-brentford-a-story-on-innovation-through-statistical-analysis/trainingground.guru/articles/phil-giles-staying-ahead-of-the-curve-at-brentfordTSG 1899 Hoffenheim are a Bundesliga club that made a 19-year journey from Germany’s fifth division to the Champions League with the help of similiar innovative methods too. www.computerweekly.com/news/450423973/TSG-1899-Hoffenheim-gets-faster-in-the-head-with-SAP-analyticswww.forbes.com/sites/sap/2017/08/15/tsg-hoffenheim-is-tops-in-tech-and-talent/amp/What would happen if all clubs adopted this policy? Would all clubs be successful 🤷♂️picking out teams who’ve had a purple patch and claiming they’ve discovered something special or undiscovered is flawed. These clubs will soon run out of steam/ luck/ new ideas and it all goes round again. No nailed on solutions for continued success I’m afraid. It's not about reinventing the wheel, it's about small gains and advantages, becoming more self sufficient and ultimately more efficient and successful. Brentford have demonstrated what is possible through smart thinking and a fairly innovative approach in numerous areas and out thinking opponents rather than out spending them.
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Post by aghast on Nov 21, 2023 22:25:25 GMT
Brentford are a smart club we should aspire to be like IMHO. trainingground.guru/tags/teams/brentford/Their stadium cost just over £70m and over the previous five years to the stadium being built the club had sold players for a combined value of £150m and up to 2021, the average age at which players were signed at Brentford in total since the 14/15 season was lower than 23-years-old. Brentford spent 7 seasons in the Championship at Griffin Park on crowds averaging about 10,300 and then won promotion to the Premier League despite having the fourth-lowest playing budget in the Championship, above only Preston, Rotherham and Burton. They punched above their weight mostly with a combination of smart recruitment and innovative coaching. The likes of Brentford and Luton have shown what is possible and also our former long time divisional rivals Brighton, Bournemouth, Swansea City, Cardiff etc. Swansea had a clear philosophy and you can see that by their managerial appointments when moving through the divisions: Roberto Martínez, Paulo Sousa, Brendan Rodgers, Michael Laudrup, Garry Monk, Graham Potter, Steve Cooper and Russell Martin. “I think the journey the club has been on has been absolutely remarkable. There should be a lot of clubs out there dreaming. Everything is possible if you work hard, have a clear strategy, top attitude and togetherness. I think then everything is achievable in the world” said Brentford Head Coach Thomas Frank. Lee Dykes, the club’s current Technical Director, who has been there since 2019 after joining from Bury, said: “Matthew [Benham, owner] will tell you himself that we never want to be in a position where we have to outspend our competitors – we out think them. That’s why it’s such an innovative club and everything recruitment wise is geared towards that philosophy.” Former Director of Football Rasmus Ankersen said during his time at the club: “Recruitment is the bread and butter of Brentford because we have one of the lowest revenues in the league. We need to make the business sustainable by buying cheap and selling expensive, which is what we’ve done over the last few years. “It comes down to not only being able to identify undervalued talent in the market but also we invest a lot in the development of players. We invest in different types of specialists, whether it be sleep coaches, kicking coaches, to try and raise the level of the players who come in." talksport.com/football/fa-cup/659667/brentford-data-revolution-england-smartest-club-championship-leicester-fa-cup/trainingground.guru/articles/ankersen-how-backroom-investment-pays-off-for-brentfordwww.standard.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-appoint-sleep-specialists-and-ballstriking-coaches-to-claim-edge-in-premier-league-promotion-race-a3945156.htmlbreakingthelines.com/squad-analysis/mathew-benham-brentford-a-story-on-innovation-through-statistical-analysis/trainingground.guru/articles/phil-giles-staying-ahead-of-the-curve-at-brentfordTSG 1899 Hoffenheim are a Bundesliga club that made a 19-year journey from Germany’s fifth division to the Champions League with the help of similiar innovative methods too. www.computerweekly.com/news/450423973/TSG-1899-Hoffenheim-gets-faster-in-the-head-with-SAP-analyticswww.forbes.com/sites/sap/2017/08/15/tsg-hoffenheim-is-tops-in-tech-and-talent/amp/What would happen if all clubs adopted this policy? Would all clubs be successful 🤷♂️picking out teams who’ve had a purple patch and claiming they’ve discovered something special or undiscovered is flawed. These clubs will soon run out of steam/ luck/ new ideas and it all goes round again. No nailed on solutions for continued success I’m afraid. Very true. Swansea are a good example...they did very well indeed initially but being stuck in the Championship has hurt them. They lost £13m last year. That's not to say we couldn't benefit from some strategic thinking. Wael promised all that initially but has flip flopped around with numerous stadium strategies and wildly differing managerial appointments.
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Post by gasheadontour on Nov 21, 2023 22:27:14 GMT
Football management isn't rocket science. A lot wing it. So much comes down to recruitment of players and which players a manager inherits.
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Post by singupgas on Nov 21, 2023 22:28:31 GMT
Brentford are a smart club we should aspire to be like IMHO. trainingground.guru/tags/teams/brentford/Their stadium cost just over £70m and over the previous five years to the stadium being built the club had sold players for a combined value of £150m and up to 2021, the average age at which players were signed at Brentford in total since the 14/15 season was lower than 23-years-old. Brentford spent 7 seasons in the Championship at Griffin Park on crowds averaging about 10,300 and then won promotion to the Premier League despite having the fourth-lowest playing budget in the Championship, above only Preston, Rotherham and Burton. They punched above their weight mostly with a combination of smart recruitment and innovative coaching. The likes of Brentford and Luton have shown what is possible and also our former long time divisional rivals Brighton, Bournemouth, Swansea City, Cardiff etc. Swansea had a clear philosophy and you can see that by their managerial appointments when moving through the divisions: Roberto Martínez, Paulo Sousa, Brendan Rodgers, Michael Laudrup, Garry Monk, Graham Potter, Steve Cooper and Russell Martin. “I think the journey the club has been on has been absolutely remarkable. There should be a lot of clubs out there dreaming. Everything is possible if you work hard, have a clear strategy, top attitude and togetherness. I think then everything is achievable in the world” said Brentford Head Coach Thomas Frank. Lee Dykes, the club’s current Technical Director, who has been there since 2019 after joining from Bury, said: “Matthew [Benham, owner] will tell you himself that we never want to be in a position where we have to outspend our competitors – we out think them. That’s why it’s such an innovative club and everything recruitment wise is geared towards that philosophy.” Former Director of Football Rasmus Ankersen said during his time at the club: “Recruitment is the bread and butter of Brentford because we have one of the lowest revenues in the league. We need to make the business sustainable by buying cheap and selling expensive, which is what we’ve done over the last few years. “It comes down to not only being able to identify undervalued talent in the market but also we invest a lot in the development of players. We invest in different types of specialists, whether it be sleep coaches, kicking coaches, to try and raise the level of the players who come in." talksport.com/football/fa-cup/659667/brentford-data-revolution-england-smartest-club-championship-leicester-fa-cup/trainingground.guru/articles/ankersen-how-backroom-investment-pays-off-for-brentfordwww.standard.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-appoint-sleep-specialists-and-ballstriking-coaches-to-claim-edge-in-premier-league-promotion-race-a3945156.htmlbreakingthelines.com/squad-analysis/mathew-benham-brentford-a-story-on-innovation-through-statistical-analysis/trainingground.guru/articles/phil-giles-staying-ahead-of-the-curve-at-brentfordTSG 1899 Hoffenheim are a Bundesliga club that made a 19-year journey from Germany’s fifth division to the Champions League with the help of similiar innovative methods too. www.computerweekly.com/news/450423973/TSG-1899-Hoffenheim-gets-faster-in-the-head-with-SAP-analyticswww.forbes.com/sites/sap/2017/08/15/tsg-hoffenheim-is-tops-in-tech-and-talent/amp/What would happen if all clubs adopted this policy? Would all clubs be successful 🤷♂️picking out teams who’ve had a purple patch and claiming they’ve discovered something special or undiscovered is flawed. These clubs will soon run out of steam/ luck/ new ideas and it all goes round again. No nailed on solutions for continued success I’m afraid. I would rather run out steam having tried than never making it anywhere at all. Brentford second season in the Prem, in a really nice ground, sitting 11th. I'm struggling to imagine us making it out of league 1. I would absolutely love us to be in Brentfords position.
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Post by pirate on Nov 21, 2023 22:38:52 GMT
What would happen if all clubs adopted this policy? Would all clubs be successful 🤷♂️picking out teams who’ve had a purple patch and claiming they’ve discovered something special or undiscovered is flawed. These clubs will soon run out of steam/ luck/ new ideas and it all goes round again. No nailed on solutions for continued success I’m afraid. Very true. Swansea are a good example...they did very well indeed initially but being stuck in the Championship has hurt them. They lost £13m last year. That's not to say we couldn't benefit from some strategic thinking. Wael promised all that initially but has flip flopped around with numerous stadium strategies and wildly differing managerial appointments. They had a plan and philosophy under Huw Jenkins and stuck to it which got them to the Premier League and several seasons challenging in the Championship. Things started to go wrong after the club's sale to the American consortium in 2016. Their Prem days and even now in the Championship are quite the contrast to when I started watched Rovers when Swansea were playing in the division below infront of about 3,000 fans at the Vetch Field.
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Post by bambergashead on Nov 21, 2023 23:48:22 GMT
I may have mentioned this before. It'll be interesting to see who we eventually appoint...
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 22, 2023 0:09:11 GMT
Brentford are a smart club we should aspire to be like IMHO. trainingground.guru/tags/teams/brentford/Their stadium cost just over £70m and over the previous five years to the stadium being built the club had sold players for a combined value of £150m and up to 2021, the average age at which players were signed at Brentford in total since the 14/15 season was lower than 23-years-old. Brentford spent 7 seasons in the Championship at Griffin Park on crowds averaging about 10,300 and then won promotion to the Premier League despite having the fourth-lowest playing budget in the Championship, above only Preston, Rotherham and Burton. They punched above their weight mostly with a combination of smart recruitment and innovative coaching. The likes of Brentford and Luton have shown what is possible and also our former long time divisional rivals Brighton, Bournemouth, Swansea City, Cardiff etc. Swansea had a clear philosophy and you can see that by their managerial appointments when moving through the divisions: Roberto Martínez, Paulo Sousa, Brendan Rodgers, Michael Laudrup, Garry Monk, Graham Potter, Steve Cooper and Russell Martin. “I think the journey the club has been on has been absolutely remarkable. There should be a lot of clubs out there dreaming. Everything is possible if you work hard, have a clear strategy, top attitude and togetherness. I think then everything is achievable in the world” said Brentford Head Coach Thomas Frank. Lee Dykes, the club’s current Technical Director, who has been there since 2019 after joining from Bury, said: “Matthew [Benham, owner] will tell you himself that we never want to be in a position where we have to outspend our competitors – we out think them. That’s why it’s such an innovative club and everything recruitment wise is geared towards that philosophy.” Former Director of Football Rasmus Ankersen said during his time at the club: “Recruitment is the bread and butter of Brentford because we have one of the lowest revenues in the league. We need to make the business sustainable by buying cheap and selling expensive, which is what we’ve done over the last few years. “It comes down to not only being able to identify undervalued talent in the market but also we invest a lot in the development of players. We invest in different types of specialists, whether it be sleep coaches, kicking coaches, to try and raise the level of the players who come in." talksport.com/football/fa-cup/659667/brentford-data-revolution-england-smartest-club-championship-leicester-fa-cup/trainingground.guru/articles/ankersen-how-backroom-investment-pays-off-for-brentfordwww.standard.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-appoint-sleep-specialists-and-ballstriking-coaches-to-claim-edge-in-premier-league-promotion-race-a3945156.htmlbreakingthelines.com/squad-analysis/mathew-benham-brentford-a-story-on-innovation-through-statistical-analysis/trainingground.guru/articles/phil-giles-staying-ahead-of-the-curve-at-brentfordTSG 1899 Hoffenheim are a Bundesliga club that made a 19-year journey from Germany’s fifth division to the Champions League with the help of similiar innovative methods too. www.computerweekly.com/news/450423973/TSG-1899-Hoffenheim-gets-faster-in-the-head-with-SAP-analyticswww.forbes.com/sites/sap/2017/08/15/tsg-hoffenheim-is-tops-in-tech-and-talent/amp/What would happen if all clubs adopted this policy? Would all clubs be successful 🤷♂️picking out teams who’ve had a purple patch and claiming they’ve discovered something special or undiscovered is flawed. These clubs will soon run out of steam/ luck/ new ideas and it all goes round again. No nailed on solutions for continued success I’m afraid. I guess if all clubs did it then there’d be better run clubs and football may turn into a more sustainable ‘industry’ because the great losses wouldn’t be made. And if you’re a smaller club you have to find other ways to compete against the giants who can just throw money at it. You have to find other ways. Brentford and Brighton can’t compete financially with the big 6/7 but they can compete in a match as they have shown. What are our losses? Just to stay where we are. Of course there are cycles of failure and success. But it’s a tad silly to suggest that the ways that they do it is flawed. I doubt many fans would expect that the way Brighton, Brentford have done what they’ve done to get where they’ve got is flawed. I can’t think their fans would hark back to the ‘good old days’ of slogging around the lower leagues and in Brightons case dicing with going out of the league. (Them and Hereford competing on the last day to finish 91st in the league) I don’t think you mean that. Do you? But I do agree with there being no ‘nailed on solutions for continued success’, there isn’t of course but being sustainable gives you a better chance I think. UTG!
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