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Post by twertongas on Nov 23, 2023 12:33:15 GMT
So it would seem Mangan will more than likely be given the job if he gets a positive result this Saturday, if so I feel he definitely needs a DoF, if we lose, I wonder what the plan will be then and how much longer will we be waiting?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 23, 2023 12:39:35 GMT
It became a Gaschat fact once Pirate suggested that Wael had been given the task of finding the new manager. After being informed by a trusted source and I have no reason to doubt him. The groundsman then....
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Post by RD on Nov 23, 2023 14:33:11 GMT
I mean, at this point, there's no way on this earth it's not Mangan's to lose; no-one new has come up over the past couple of days, there's been plenty of time to have reached an agreement with someone else (if they were in talks) etc - so there's no way it's not his to lose.
But this takes me back to my point the other day - if we haven't given him it already, it therefore means it's dependant on the performance/result against Derby..... which is nuts. You either believe he's the right candidate (beyond a 1 game horizon), or you don't. Instead, it's impossible to interpret this as it all hinging on one game.
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Post by kampucheagas on Nov 23, 2023 14:37:36 GMT
I mean, at this point, there's no way on this earth it's not Mangan's to lose; no-one new has come up over the past couple of days, there's been plenty of time to have reached an agreement with someone else (if they were in talks) etc - so there's no way it's not his to lose. But this takes me back to my point the other day - if we haven't given him it already, it therefore means it's dependant on the performance/result against Derby..... which is nuts. You either believe he's the right candidate (beyond a 1 game horizon), or you don't. Instead, it's impossible to interpret this as it all hinging on one game. I’ve seen the boards drawn up plans 0-0 and it’s a 2 year contract 1-0 defeat, he’s got until January 1-0 win and it’s a 3 year deal A defeat by more than one goal and it’s instant sacking and we draw straws on anyone that might be interested Any win bigger than one goal it’s a five year deal. Can’t say fairer than that. It’s as good as any other process I’ve seen when selecting a manager. UTG
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Post by oldie on Nov 23, 2023 14:42:21 GMT
I mean, at this point, there's no way on this earth it's not Mangan's to lose; no-one new has come up over the past couple of days, there's been plenty of time to have reached an agreement with someone else (if they were in talks) etc - so there's no way it's not his to lose. But this takes me back to my point the other day - if we haven't given him it already, it therefore means it's dependant on the performance/result against Derby..... which is nuts. You either believe he's the right candidate (beyond a 1 game horizon), or you don't. Instead, it's impossible to interpret this as it all hinging on one game. Exactly
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Post by percy on Nov 23, 2023 14:43:15 GMT
I mean, at this point, there's no way on this earth it's not Mangan's to lose; no-one new has come up over the past couple of days, there's been plenty of time to have reached an agreement with someone else (if they were in talks) etc - so there's no way it's not his to lose. But this takes me back to my point the other day - if we haven't given him it already, it therefore means it's dependant on the performance/result against Derby..... which is nuts. You either believe he's the right candidate (beyond a 1 game horizon), or you don't. Instead, it's impossible to interpret this as it all hinging on one game. Exactly Gas chat facts
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Post by RD on Nov 23, 2023 15:01:20 GMT
We're only ever guessing, sure. But the reality is, it's the only explanation at this point that makes any sort of sense - you really think that, if we were in discussions with someone, it wouldn't have leaked or been finalised by now?? No way IMO.
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Post by percy on Nov 23, 2023 15:08:22 GMT
We're only ever guessing, sure. But the reality is, it's the only explanation at this point that makes any sort of sense - you really think that, if we were in discussions with someone, it wouldn't have leaked or been finalised by now?? No way IMO. Who knows. If they had no other options why wait til after a tricky game to make the appointment. Leaves them in a corner. Surely would have announced mangs after the last win?
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Post by legas on Nov 23, 2023 15:53:29 GMT
The only other explanation I can think of for the delay is that they are in no hurry and are waiting to see who else becomes available in the coming weeks and months because they don’t feel the right man is out there at the moment … maybe 🤷♂️
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Post by Marshy on Nov 23, 2023 15:58:18 GMT
The only other explanation I can think of for the delay is that they are in no hurry and are waiting to see who else becomes available in the coming weeks and months because they don’t feel the right man is out there at the moment … maybe 🤷♂️ Or they could just be incompetent buffoons. 🤷♂️
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Post by yattongas on Nov 23, 2023 15:58:18 GMT
I mean, at this point, there's no way on this earth it's not Mangan's to lose; no-one new has come up over the past couple of days, there's been plenty of time to have reached an agreement with someone else (if they were in talks) etc - so there's no way it's not his to lose. But this takes me back to my point the other day - if we haven't given him it already, it therefore means it's dependant on the performance/result against Derby..... which is nuts. You either believe he's the right candidate (beyond a 1 game horizon), or you don't. Instead, it's impossible to interpret this as it all hinging on one game. I wonder why none of the other managers have been deemed suitable? Or is it more the case that they’ve turned us down for whatever reason ?
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Post by pirate on Nov 23, 2023 15:59:19 GMT
The only other explanation I can think of for the delay is that they are in no hurry and are waiting to see who else becomes available in the coming weeks and months because they don’t feel the right man is out there at the moment … maybe 🤷♂️ Why wait for someone to "become available" and not go ahead and headhunt the best person? If we were seriously willing to spend around £2.2m on the JCH deal then there is nothing stopping us from making an approach to a club for the right candidate.
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Post by kylegas on Nov 23, 2023 16:06:39 GMT
So it would seem Mangan will more than likely be given the job if he gets a positive result this Saturday, if so I feel he definitely needs a DoF, if we lose, I wonder what the plan will be then and how much longer will we be waiting? If we lose then Mangan has a chance to show something massively important imo, the ability to pick the lads back up after a loss and get them motivated for a the next game. I don’t much want him to get the job but I also don’t believe his opportunity to earn it ends with a single defeat, especially against a good team with excellent home form
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Post by poorblue on Nov 23, 2023 16:37:27 GMT
The only other explanation I can think of for the delay is that they are in no hurry and are waiting to see who else becomes available in the coming weeks and months because they don’t feel the right man is out there at the moment … maybe 🤷♂️ Why wait for someone to "become available" and not go ahead and headhunt the best person? If we were seriously willing to spend around £2.2m on the JCH deal then there is nothing stopping us from making an approach to a club for the right candidate. IMO it's obvious that the board are waiting for Barton to get a job elsewhere and off the payroll first.
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Post by clockendgas on Nov 23, 2023 16:48:52 GMT
No panic imho,if we carry on winning etc alls good,if not then appoint someone in December and they have the January window to possibly strengthen the squad.
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Post by bluestargas on Nov 23, 2023 16:53:46 GMT
But I would do anything for Wael But I won't do that
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Post by gasify on Nov 23, 2023 17:23:31 GMT
Why wait for someone to "become available" and not go ahead and headhunt the best person? If we were seriously willing to spend around £2.2m on the JCH deal then there is nothing stopping us from making an approach to a club for the right candidate. IMO it's obvious that the board are waiting for Barton to get a job elsewhere and off the payroll first. I've heard this kind of thing before and I didn't understand it then and I don't understand it now. That isn't how contracts work? JB had a 5 year contract. We wouldn't be saying we will pay you for the next five years or until you get another job. We would be saying here is 20% of that five years wages, off you pop. We should be taking the approach that what he said after the Stevenage game was gross misconduct and that he is owed no compensation.
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Post by kruger on Nov 23, 2023 17:24:20 GMT
The only other explanation I can think of for the delay is that they are in no hurry and are waiting to see who else becomes available in the coming weeks and months because they don’t feel the right man is out there at the moment … maybe 🤷♂️ Why wait for someone to "become available" and not go ahead and headhunt the best person? If we were seriously willing to spend around £2.2m on the JCH deal then there is nothing stopping us from making an approach to a club for the right candidate. 2.2m I thought it was around £800.000
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Post by legas on Nov 23, 2023 17:36:14 GMT
The only other explanation I can think of for the delay is that they are in no hurry and are waiting to see who else becomes available in the coming weeks and months because they don’t feel the right man is out there at the moment … maybe 🤷♂️ Why wait for someone to "become available" and not go ahead and headhunt the best person? If we were seriously willing to spend around £2.2m on the JCH deal then there is nothing stopping us from making an approach to a club for the right candidate. Who knows, just trying to make sense of the delay and silence.
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Post by pirate on Nov 23, 2023 17:40:21 GMT
Why wait for someone to "become available" and not go ahead and headhunt the best person? If we were seriously willing to spend around £2.2m on the JCH deal then there is nothing stopping us from making an approach to a club for the right candidate. 2.2m I thought it was around £800.000 transfer fee and add-ons £800,000 + £250,000, wages £1.17 million
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