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Post by socrates on Nov 12, 2023 11:05:37 GMT
Yeah we really only played Barton style tactics Tuesday night , the amount of times we passed straight too them in our final 3rd was ridiculous, I think Cox did it about 4 times alone and of course Woods did it a couple of times and got caught dwardling on the ball for their goal. But v Northampton we moved the ball quicker really mixed it up in the first half particularly and were very good , witby hard to tell as we dominated full stop and today we moved the ball quicker and it was scrappy and not great but at least we didn’t have loads of pointless possession and lose. Our goal today was typical of what happens if you get the ball forward with tempo and get league 1 defenders panicking and running back towards their own goal. Or typical of having a full bank with pace who can put in a decent cross? Not one or the other , both. You need players with pace to play that way and we do have some.
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Post by mftc on Nov 12, 2023 12:07:16 GMT
Didn't someone once say I rather be a lucky manager than a good manager?
Performances have not been great, with very low entertainment, but we are winning.
People are understandably referring to GC, but I think GC made a pretty average squad of players look better with organisation and a real work ethic.
We have good players on good wages but we change the line up and systems from week to week. (I know injuries are a major factor), but there is so little consistency.
For me Hunt is player of the season so far, but who else apart from Taylor has regularly played well? Thomas has been brilliant one game, then average or missing the next.
It is good to be flexible, but for me the next manager will have to sort out the 16 or so players who will form the basis of the starting 11, so we can see a settled first team, so it leads to more individual consistency.
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Post by GasAttacK on Nov 12, 2023 12:17:47 GMT
We won't carry on picking up decent results playing as we are now.
Yesterday was arguably our worst performance of the season. Just 6 shots, 2 on target, no corners, low completed passes, and 45% possession.
I lost count of the times we misplaced simple 5 yards passes, and in the second half we barely got out of our defensive third against a very poor Carlisle side.
We've played 3 of the bottom 6 and on the balance of play and chances created could easily have lost all 3.
I'm delighted we've picked up 7 points but we've been very lucky. I wasn't against his sacking but I think we've actually gone backwards since Barton left.
We could still have a decent season if we get the right man in but Mangan isn't that guy in my opinion.
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Post by baggins on Nov 12, 2023 12:36:14 GMT
Didn't someone once say I rather be a lucky manager than a good manager? Performances have not been great, with very low entertainment, but we are winning. People are understandably referring to GC, but I think GC made a pretty average squad of players look better with organisation and a real work ethic. We have good players on good wages but we change the line up and systems from week to week. (I know injuries are a major factor), but there is so little consistency. For me Hunt is player of the season so far, but who else apart from Taylor has regularly played well? Thomas has been brilliant one game, then average or missing the next. It is good to be flexible, but for me the next manager will have to sort out the 16 or so players who will form the basis of the starting 11, so we can see a settled first team, so it leads to more individual consistency. Will happily agree on most of that but Thomas going missing every other game? Not sure about that, been outstanding every game I've seen him (although I haven't seen away games yet).
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Post by baggins on Nov 12, 2023 12:37:29 GMT
Going back to topic, can't see what a new Manager would bring that Mangan hasn't so far.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 12, 2023 12:51:39 GMT
We won't carry on picking up decent results playing as we are now. Yesterday was arguably our worst performance of the season. Just 6 shots, 2 on target, no corners, low completed passes, and 45% possession. I lost count of the times we misplaced simple 5 yards passes, and in the second half we barely got out of our defensive third against a very poor Carlisle side. We've played 3 of the bottom 6 and on the balance of play and chances created could easily have lost all 3. I'm delighted we've picked up 7 points but we've been very lucky. I wasn't against his sacking but I think we've actually gone backwards since Barton left. We could still have a decent season if we get the right man in but Mangan isn't that guy in my opinion. Mangan can only beat, or at least not lose, to what's put in front of him? Derby and then the FA Cup game will be real tests for him. Unless the owners have got somebody lined up to take over this week I wonder if they'll now wait and see what happens in those two games before making a decision? If we loses both of those I'd imagine fans support for will soon disappear, win or draw them and support will remain, particularly if we then draw a big club in round 3.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 12, 2023 12:53:40 GMT
Going back to topic, can't see what a new Manager would bring that Mangan hasn't so far. I guess it's what he can do over the rest of the season and beyond, not against half a dozen poorly performing teams? If managing is that easy surely every team would just appoint the assistant when the manager leaves and save themselves a few £'s.
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Post by pudseygas on Nov 12, 2023 12:53:45 GMT
We won't carry on picking up decent results playing as we are now. Yesterday was arguably our worst performance of the season. Just 6 shots, 2 on target, no corners, low completed passes, and 45% possession. I lost count of the times we misplaced simple 5 yards passes, and in the second half we barely got out of our defensive third against a very poor Carlisle side. We've played 3 of the bottom 6 and on the balance of play and chances created could easily have lost all 3. I'm delighted we've picked up 7 points but we've been very lucky. I wasn't against his sacking but I think we've actually gone backwards since Barton left. We could still have a decent season if we get the right man in but Mangan isn't that guy in my opinion. Exactly as I see it.
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Post by baggins on Nov 12, 2023 13:08:44 GMT
Going back to topic, can't see what a new Manager would bring that Mangan hasn't so far. I guess it's what he can do over the rest of the season and beyond, not against half a dozen poorly performing teams? If managing is that easy surely every team would just appoint the assistant when the manager leaves and save themselves a few £'s. And sometimes appointing a new Manager works, sometimes it doesn't, and when it doesn't isn't that a lot of money down the pan? As for getting results against poor teams, sometimes they're the hardest to get points against. Also, from what I've seen, heard, the squad had a lot of respect for Barton and I don't think that's changed for Mangan. Would a new Manager get that? Not sure.
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Post by gonzales on Nov 12, 2023 13:17:58 GMT
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Post by smudge1 on Nov 12, 2023 13:22:49 GMT
Can add Matt Taylor to that list now. Been sacked by Rotherham.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Nov 12, 2023 13:28:56 GMT
Can add Matt Taylor to that list now. Been sacked by Rotherham. Wouldn't be surprised to see him back at Exeter as they are on a dire run.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 12, 2023 13:36:39 GMT
I guess it's what he can do over the rest of the season and beyond, not against half a dozen poorly performing teams? If managing is that easy surely every team would just appoint the assistant when the manager leaves and save themselves a few £'s. And sometimes appointing a new Manager works, sometimes it doesn't, and when it doesn't isn't that a lot of money down the pan? As for getting results against poor teams, sometimes they're the hardest to get points against. Also, from what I've seen, heard, the squad had a lot of respect for Barton and I don't think that's changed for Mangan. Would a new Manager get that? Not sure. They couldn't have had that much respect for JB or they wouldn't have played so poorly to get him sacked?
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Post by baggins on Nov 12, 2023 13:48:59 GMT
And sometimes appointing a new Manager works, sometimes it doesn't, and when it doesn't isn't that a lot of money down the pan? As for getting results against poor teams, sometimes they're the hardest to get points against. Also, from what I've seen, heard, the squad had a lot of respect for Barton and I don't think that's changed for Mangan. Would a new Manager get that? Not sure. They couldn't have had that much respect for JB or they wouldn't have played so poorly to get him sacked? You honestly think they played to get him sacked? Seriously?
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Post by wallywalters on Nov 12, 2023 14:01:57 GMT
Can add Matt Taylor to that list now. Been sacked by Rotherham. That might just change things now. Although he's done an awful job at Rotherham with a 18% win record I have always thought he was a terrific lower league manager.
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Post by baggins on Nov 12, 2023 14:10:07 GMT
Can add Matt Taylor to that list now. Been sacked by Rotherham. That might just change things now. Although he's done an awful job at Rotherham with a 18% win record I have always thought he was a terrific lower league manager. We're not lower League.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 12, 2023 14:16:04 GMT
That might just change things now. Although he's done an awful job at Rotherham with a 18% win record I have always thought he was a terrific lower league manager. We're not lower League. Yeah. Thought the club wants someone who has experience of getting out of this league and performing at the next level up
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Post by wallywalters on Nov 12, 2023 14:25:34 GMT
That might just change things now. Although he's done an awful job at Rotherham with a 18% win record I have always thought he was a terrific lower league manager. We're not lower League. Sorry to break it to you but we are a lower league club with aspirations of the championship. That being said he doesnt fit the owners criteria I suppose with no promotions from league one so on we go......
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 12, 2023 14:43:52 GMT
Can add Matt Taylor to that list now. Been sacked by Rotherham. There's only one Matt Taylor!
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Post by peterhooper57 on Nov 12, 2023 14:49:14 GMT
We won't carry on picking up decent results playing as we are now. Yesterday was arguably our worst performance of the season. Just 6 shots, 2 on target, no corners, low completed passes, and 45% possession. I lost count of the times we misplaced simple 5 yards passes, and in the second half we barely got out of our defensive third against a very poor Carlisle side. We've played 3 of the bottom 6 and on the balance of play and chances created could easily have lost all 3. I'm delighted we've picked up 7 points but we've been very lucky. I wasn't against his sacking but I think we've actually gone backwards since Barton left. We could still have a decent season if we get the right man in but Mangan isn't that guy in my opinion. So who in your opinion should be the manager ? okay you are a Joey hater, now you want Mangan gone. The club has not gone backwards at all, its still in the FA Cup, and not lost in the league since Mangan has been put in charge. The players want Mangan as their manager, if Mangan goes, the better players in the squad will in time follow. Tell me the name of a Manager that would come to Rovers with better contacts than Joey Barton, who will bring in loan players as good as Elliot Anderson ? and get BRFC promoted this season to the Championship ? Its not going to happen with a GC, DC, Garner Tisdale, Buckle, McGhee, etc. .. lookalike.
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