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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 20:51:37 GMT
I have to agree with you I also think Mangs is not up to it due to his 1 lack of experience 2 he's clearly still playing the Barton tactics and 3 he isn't capable of changing things mid match. I can't fault his results since he's been in charge but it would be crazy to offer him the position full time or even to the end of the season. I'm confident we will have a new manager before our next league game but who that is is anyone's guess because I really don't know who it will be??? I’m not saying we should give him the job (I don’t think we should), but: a) He’s very much not still playing Barton’s tactics. The shape has changed, we press less, we have less possession and we’re more direct. b) He started with a 3-5-2 today and switched to a back 4 mid-match. 💯 agree and I said this as well, the percentage stats have reversed under Mangs, we have gone from 60% plus percentage to under 50 or around this. Mangs is so refreshing as a personality, I can see why the players are playing for him
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 11, 2023 20:55:13 GMT
I'm relating to what Roadman is saying here.
When Cogs was in charge I was going to games looking forward to winning 1-0 rather than going to watch a game of entertaining football. That was ok with me because I quite liked winning games.
Don't get me wrong, I liked the football Barton played but I was going home more relieved at taking a point than winning games when the football came off how he intended and being utterly fed up when we lost as he had no plan b.
So after only winning 10 games in 8 months I got rather bored of watching us play nice football and losing so as much as today was ugly, we won, and now I'm enjoying a nice single malt with that nice fuzzy winning feeling as it's going down.
UTG
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Nov 11, 2023 21:07:14 GMT
I’m not saying we should give him the job (I don’t think we should), but: a) He’s very much not still playing Barton’s tactics. The shape has changed, we press less, we have less possession and we’re more direct. b) He started with a 3-5-2 today and switched to a back 4 mid-match. Thought it was 4 2 3 1 Then 4 4 2 Then 4 4 1 Then 4 3 2 Mangs said in his post-match that Crama was playing on the right of a back three. Hunt and Vale wingbacks.
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Post by yattongas on Nov 11, 2023 21:20:38 GMT
Yes, typo, N's next to B on the keyboard!! Cool , I hate it when people use abbreviations as it means I have to think and I’m not very good at that! 😂
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 11, 2023 21:33:36 GMT
I'm relating to what Roadman is saying here. When Cogs was in charge I was going to games looking forward to winning 1-0 rather than going to watch a game of entertaining football. That was ok with me because I quite liked winning games. Don't get me wrong, I liked the football Barton played but I was going home more relieved at taking a point than winning games when the football came off how he intended and being utterly fed up when we lost as he had no plan b. So after only winning 10 games in 8 months I got rather bored of watching us play nice football and losing so as much as today was ugly, we won, and now I'm enjoying a nice single malt with that nice fuzzy winning feeling as it's going down. UTG Given football generally seems entertaining then there's clearly a happy middle ground, where fans are entertained and the team they support wins games. I guess AM is now in a similar position to GC in that his remit is just to win games, or at least not lose them.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 11, 2023 21:35:42 GMT
Mangs looked too happy in his post match interview for it to only be about the 3 points……👀 🤞hopefully you are right! I thought that too ! He comes over very well in interviews 👍💙Utg
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Post by gasmonkey on Nov 11, 2023 22:11:11 GMT
I think it’s always not just about the manager. AM is a good guy and I think he can do the job. You look at the experience behind that in the coaching staff and hopefully Anderton at some point. There’s a real togetherness, would be a shame to break all that apart. Particularly as it’s essentially working.
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Post by wilkimania on Nov 11, 2023 22:35:59 GMT
I think it’s always not just about the manager. AM is a good guy and I think he can do the job. You look at the experience behind that in the coaching staff and hopefully Anderton at some point. There’s a real togetherness, would be a shame to break all that apart. Particularly as it’s essentially working. Best example of that for us here has to be Dave Penney surely? I have no idea if he was a good manager or not, but the players never wanted him so never really played for him and we lost a third of a season to a regime that was doomed before it began. I don't know if it's a let's prove the board wrong that they chose to sack Joey or a thank god he's gone deal, but the squad that's taken the field the last few weeks seems to have been more willing to grind than the team that we had for the first few months of the season.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 11, 2023 23:29:55 GMT
I'm relating to what Roadman is saying here. When Cogs was in charge I was going to games looking forward to winning 1-0 rather than going to watch a game of entertaining football. That was ok with me because I quite liked winning games. Don't get me wrong, I liked the football Barton played but I was going home more relieved at taking a point than winning games when the football came off how he intended and being utterly fed up when we lost as he had no plan b. So after only winning 10 games in 8 months I got rather bored of watching us play nice football and losing so as much as today was ugly, we won, and now I'm enjoying a nice single malt with that nice fuzzy winning feeling as it's going down. UTG Given football generally seems entertaining then there's clearly a happy middle ground, where fans are entertained and the team they support wins games. I guess AM is now in a similar position to GC in that his remit is just to win games, or at least not lose them. I think Mangan has had a fortunate run of games against sides struggling for form, yet we have been lucky v Northampton, Reading and today with the penalty they should have had. You can't knock 3 points though, but imo we would get beaten playing like that against the more competent sides in this league, which ultimately is where the owners have said they expect us to be. It's the simple misplaced passes that infuriate me, Woods put one out of play from about 10 yards when trying to pass to a teammate. That, and we seem to (still) get caught out with a long ball down the middle. Matt Taylor wont be at Rotherham for much longer id love to have him here
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Post by gasheadontour on Nov 11, 2023 23:49:30 GMT
I think it’s always not just about the manager. AM is a good guy and I think he can do the job. You look at the experience behind that in the coaching staff and hopefully Anderton at some point. There’s a real togetherness, would be a shame to break all that apart. Particularly as it’s essentially working. Best example of that for us here has to be Dave Penney surely? I have no idea if he was a good manager or not, but the players never wanted him so never really played for him and we lost a third of a season to a regime that was doomed before it began. I don't know if it's a let's prove the board wrong that they chose to sack Joey or a thank god he's gone deal, but the squad that's taken the field the last few weeks seems to have been more willing to grind than the team that we had for the first few months of the season. Whilst doing things for Rovers I met Dave Penney whilst he was manager of Darlington. I saw for myself behind the scenes that the bond he had with those players was incredible. Players of limited ability but very well organised getting the best from them. He later came to Rovers at a time where there were politics going on with player power wanting Stuart Campbell. Players soon got their way.
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Post by socrates on Nov 12, 2023 2:24:58 GMT
I have to agree with you I also think Mangs is not up to it due to his 1 lack of experience 2 he's clearly still playing the Barton tactics and 3 he isn't capable of changing things mid match. I can't fault his results since he's been in charge but it would be crazy to offer him the position full time or even to the end of the season. I'm confident we will have a new manager before our next league game but who that is is anyone's guess because I really don't know who it will be??? He is not still playing the Barton tactics.. We were far more direct today & played the ball forward much quicker. First half especially we cut them open & should of been out of sight. Yeah we really only played Barton style tactics Tuesday night , the amount of times we passed straight too them in our final 3rd was ridiculous, I think Cox did it about 4 times alone and of course Woods did it a couple of times and got caught dwardling on the ball for their goal. But v Northampton we moved the ball quicker really mixed it up in the first half particularly and were very good , witby hard to tell as we dominated full stop and today we moved the ball quicker and it was scrappy and not great but at least we didn’t have loads of pointless possession and lose. Our goal today was typical of what happens if you get the ball forward with tempo and get league 1 defenders panicking and running back towards their own goal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 7:44:23 GMT
It’s evident to me that Bond has come in and said, if you want to protect this defence and keep clean sheets, you lower our possession percentage and stop over playing in front of them and them being asked to play so much with the ball as well.
Bond had a big impact when he came in when we were struggling in Div2, you can see his impact again now, you can’t buy experience.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 12, 2023 8:13:01 GMT
He is not still playing the Barton tactics.. We were far more direct today & played the ball forward much quicker. First half especially we cut them open & should of been out of sight. Yeah we really only played Barton style tactics Tuesday night , the amount of times we passed straight too them in our final 3rd was ridiculous, I think Cox did it about 4 times alone and of course Woods did it a couple of times and got caught dwardling on the ball for their goal. But v Northampton we moved the ball quicker really mixed it up in the first half particularly and were very good , witby hard to tell as we dominated full stop and today we moved the ball quicker and it was scrappy and not great but at least we didn’t have loads of pointless possession and lose. Our goal today was typical of what happens if you get the ball forward with tempo and get league 1 defenders panicking and running back towards their own goal. Or typical of having a full bank with pace who can put in a decent cross?
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 12, 2023 8:17:50 GMT
Given football generally seems entertaining then there's clearly a happy middle ground, where fans are entertained and the team they support wins games. I guess AM is now in a similar position to GC in that his remit is just to win games, or at least not lose them. I think Mangan has had a fortunate run of games against sides struggling for form, yet we have been lucky v Northampton, Reading and today with the penalty they should have had. You can't knock 3 points though, but imo we would get beaten playing like that against the more competent sides in this league, which ultimately is where the owners have said they expect us to be. It's the simple misplaced passes that infuriate me, Woods put one out of play from about 10 yards when trying to pass to a teammate. That, and we seem to (still) get caught out with a long ball down the middle. Matt Taylor wont be at Rotherham for much longer id love to have him here A fortunate run of games or a clever move by the Board to sack JB just before a run of winnable looking games, as why did they leave JB in charge for the Stevenage game if they'd already decided to dismiss him after the Burton loss? As far as Woods passing, that's clearly got to be down to form or pressure, as he wouldn't be a Championship player if had done that all his career.
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Post by thegasareback on Nov 12, 2023 8:30:21 GMT
I read somewhere that grant is the only player in current squad who JB (and mangs) didn’t bring in. As such on one behalf they'll all be hoping mangs gets it as opposed to a new manager who may make changes in jan. Plus a number of them are playing for contract renewals in the summer. More likely to get them under mangs.
I love the bloke but I do believe he’s best suited to a coach as opposed to a number one role at this stage. But you’d have to imagine that the majority of managers would want to bring in their own right hand man and rightly so. Which in turn could cause disharmony amongst the squad given how liked mangs is, if the wrong decision is made that is. But hopefully the players will understand that under the current formula we aren’t playing well enough, the results are papering over the cracks and we need a re-set despite 7 out of 9 points.
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Post by playtowin on Nov 12, 2023 9:05:19 GMT
Its fair to say under JB there were plenty of games where the football was excellent. Even during poor games there were several moments of brilliance. JB didnt seem to want to compromise on his footballing philosophy. We often struggled against the poorer teams and played well against the better teams.
So whilst the minor criticism against AM of the results coming against poor teams so dont count. We have to remember these are the very sorts of teams we were previously dropping points to.
Should AM get the job ? I don’t know.
If he can demonstate we can play ugly when needed and like Barcelona when its appropriate then he has a good shout for the job.
If the owners have the intention of playoff push this season promotion next season and championship survival the following. Do we and them believe AM can deliver this ?
AM is a highly likeable guy but the club have to proceed without emotions blurring the picture.
The test for any manager is how you get back on track after a defeat or two. This goes for PR as well...for example a couple of poor performances and 2 goal defeats and the fans dont like seeing the manager full of smiles and bubblyness . It suddenly appears the manager doesnt care about losing. An even keel throughout is usually the best strategy.
On a side note. The owners stated that they wanted staff to be brfc staff not the managers staff to allow for continuity. Does this mean Kevin Bond is a Brfc appointment and was he before (?)
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 12, 2023 9:09:38 GMT
I read somewhere that grant is the only player in current squad who JB (and mangs) didn’t bring in. As such on one behalf they'll all be hoping mangs gets it as opposed to a new manager who may make changes in jan. Plus a number of them are playing for contract renewals in the summer. More likely to get them under mangs. I love the bloke but I do believe he’s best suited to a coach as opposed to a number one role at this stage. But you’d have to imagine that the majority of managers would want to bring in their own right hand man and rightly so. Which in turn could cause disharmony amongst the squad given how liked mangs is, if the wrong decision is made that is. But hopefully the players will understand that under the current formula we aren’t playing well enough, the results are papering over the cracks and we need a re-set despite 7 out of 9 points. That's the same quandary most clubs will have when they replace their manager mid season? I'm not sure many clubs just promote from within, although Plymouth clearly did it to good effect last season.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 12, 2023 10:35:27 GMT
Feel we may be getting to the point where the longer Mangan stays in post the more untenable his previous position is if a new manager comes in. If we bring in a new man and Mangan stays the supporters will be calling out for him if things go badly and instead of the replacement manager being in the stands he’ll be in the room with the manager.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Nov 12, 2023 10:43:35 GMT
Mangs looked too happy in his post match interview for it to only be about the 3 points……👀 He was beaming ear to ear wasn't he 🤣. I really like the bloke. He’s nice looking as well ! ( bonus ) 🤣🤗🤗🤗🤗💙utg
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Post by js67 on Nov 12, 2023 10:46:03 GMT
Feel we may be getting to the point where the longer Mangan stays in post the more untenable his previous position is if a new manager comes in. If we bring in a new man and Mangan stays the supporters will be calling out for him if things go badly and instead of the replacement manager being in the stands he’ll be in the room with the manager. I'm actually uncertain Mangs wants the job, lots went on regards his best mate JB going on gardening leave
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