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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 7:48:42 GMT
So if we agree Gasify the idea of playing possession based football was correct, it’s essential we have someone in charge of the scouting department who can sign players to enact this style of football.
I look at Westbrooke, Grant, Ben Liddle, Woods, Finely, Bogarde, Ward………it’s all sideways passing like exhibition football. You then throw in Oztumer who isn’t trusted and McCormick who loves a relegation on his CV!
None of them the first 7 can do what Lines did, Campbell or Marcus Browning did and that’s right forward and break the lines. I watched our goal against Villa in the cup under Big Mal managing us, Browning drives forward and we score. Our midfielders never arrive late in the box like Disley did, they are stood 40 yards back admiring the game!
Whoever comes in needs to play a cross balanced game like Trollope and DC, yes some possession but also a mix of direct the likes of Lambert/Walker and Harrison/Gaffeny link up play. Mangs actually did this Saturday, Woods went straight forward into Martin who linked it up straight out wide and we score.
Football is so easy, under Garner and Barton they both over played it so much that within 10 seconds the opposition have 10 men behind the ball. This is fine playing it until you have an opening if you have Saka, Odegard, De Bruyne, White, Walker over lapping, we have Finley orchestrating it with a square peg in a round hole on the flank!
Back to basics, hard to beat away from home based, it’s boring, try and entertain at home. Also ban ifollow!
Mangs till end of season now, we’ve left it too long, Rovers style and caused a problem for ourselves.
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Post by yattongas on Nov 13, 2023 8:33:00 GMT
So if we agree Gasify the idea of playing possession based football was correct, it’s essential we have someone in charge of the scouting department who can sign players to enact this style of football. I look at Westbrooke, Grant, Ben Liddle, Woods, Finely, Bogarde, Ward………it’s all sideways passing like exhibition football. You then throw in Oztumer who isn’t trusted and McCormick who loves a relegation on his CV! None of them the first 7 can do what Lines did, Campbell or Marcus Browning did and that’s right forward and break the lines. I watched our goal against Villa in the cup under Big Mal managing us, Browning drives forward and we score. Our midfielders never arrive late in the box like Disley did, they are stood 40 yards back admiring the game! Whoever comes in needs to play a cross balanced game like Trollope and DC, yes some possession but also a mix of direct the likes of Lambert/Walker and Harrison/Gaffeny link up play. Mangs actually did this Saturday, Woods went straight forward into Martin who linked it up straight out wide and we score. Football is so easy, under Garner and Barton they both over played it so much that within 10 seconds the opposition have 10 men behind the ball. This is fine playing it until you have an opening if you have Saka, Odegard, De Bruyne, White, Walker over lapping, we have Finley orchestrating it with a square peg in a round hole on the flank! Back to basics, hard to beat away from home based, it’s boring, try and entertain at home. Also ban ifollow! Mangs till end of season now, we’ve left it too long, Rovers style and caused a problem for ourselves. So you’ve gone from Robinson to Holloway then Mangan in less than 2 weeks ?
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Post by bidefordgas on Nov 13, 2023 8:37:00 GMT
So if we agree Gasify the idea of playing possession based football was correct, it’s essential we have someone in charge of the scouting department who can sign players to enact this style of football. I look at Westbrooke, Grant, Ben Liddle, Woods, Finely, Bogarde, Ward………it’s all sideways passing like exhibition football. You then throw in Oztumer who isn’t trusted and McCormick who loves a relegation on his CV! None of them the first 7 can do what Lines did, Campbell or Marcus Browning did and that’s right forward and break the lines. I watched our goal against Villa in the cup under Big Mal managing us, Browning drives forward and we score. Our midfielders never arrive late in the box like Disley did, they are stood 40 yards back admiring the game! Whoever comes in needs to play a cross balanced game like Trollope and DC, yes some possession but also a mix of direct the likes of Lambert/Walker and Harrison/Gaffeny link up play. Mangs actually did this Saturday, Woods went straight forward into Martin who linked it up straight out wide and we score. Football is so easy, under Garner and Barton they both over played it so much that within 10 seconds the opposition have 10 men behind the ball. This is fine playing it until you have an opening if you have Saka, Odegard, De Bruyne, White, Walker over lapping, we have Finley orchestrating it with a square peg in a round hole on the flank! Back to basics, hard to beat away from home based, it’s boring, try and entertain at home. Also ban ifollow! Mangs till end of season now, we’ve left it too long, Rovers style and caused a problem for ourselves. So you’ve gone from Robinson to Holloway then Mangan in less than 2 weeks ? And “we’ve left it to long”.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 10:33:19 GMT
As I said, we’ve left it too long and I can explain myself……….
If we win tomorrow night, Mangs 5 unbeaten, 7 points from 9 in the league, two cups wins, wouldn’t this suggest the players are playing for him? Also how don’t you give him the job now, it’s a good record isn’t it? And in my opinion we’ve left it too long now to appoint someone else, does Mangs deserve the chance?
My Holloway comment was based on the first week after Barton went, I said I’m a romantic and would accept it.
Robinson, of all the candidates he’s the best based on what the owner said he wanted………..Div1 experience, promotion out of Div1, younger generation, he’s 43. My pick on him is based on what the chairman said he wanted 🤷🏼♂️
Monk, I shared the views from a Brum ST.
City had a plan, we never did, maybe Mangs will go onto be a Trollope or a Gary Thompson (hope it’s not like him!!)
Mangs is winning, some still want Barton 67% possession, I just want winning football and he’s doing this.
My worry is the David Penney factor, someone comes in and upsets the camp or they just don’t play for him. They never played for Tisdale in the end who came across mild mannered, they played less for Barton, Tisdale left is 4 points above relegation
By leaving too long, new blokes comes in, if he doesn’t get is winning, fans starting saying we should have given Mangs the job.
Hope I’ve made myself clear, well I’ve tried to.
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Post by CornishPasty_Gas on Nov 13, 2023 10:40:44 GMT
Matt Taylor sacked as Rotherham manager... be happy with him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 10:43:27 GMT
Matt Taylor sacked as Rotherham manager... be happy with him. I wouldn’t be adverse to him Cornish, good knowledge of Div1 and 2 players, got a promotion on an average budget. Also will know of Championship players in our price range willing to come down. His knowledge on Exeter scouting set up would be invaluable if he could help us set this up from top to bottom.
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Post by chewbacca on Nov 13, 2023 10:45:47 GMT
Matt Taylor sacked as Rotherham manager... be happy with him. Don't want that snake back
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Post by GasAttacK on Nov 13, 2023 10:49:10 GMT
So if we agree Gasify the idea of playing possession based football was correct, it’s essential we have someone in charge of the scouting department who can sign players to enact this style of football. I look at Westbrooke, Grant, Ben Liddle, Woods, Finely, Bogarde, Ward………it’s all sideways passing like exhibition football. You then throw in Oztumer who isn’t trusted and McCormick who loves a relegation on his CV! None of them the first 7 can do what Lines did, Campbell or Marcus Browning did and that’s right forward and break the lines. I watched our goal against Villa in the cup under Big Mal managing us, Browning drives forward and we score. Our midfielders never arrive late in the box like Disley did, they are stood 40 yards back admiring the game! Whoever comes in needs to play a cross balanced game like Trollope and DC, yes some possession but also a mix of direct the likes of Lambert/Walker and Harrison/Gaffeny link up play. Mangs actually did this Saturday, Woods went straight forward into Martin who linked it up straight out wide and we score. Football is so easy, under Garner and Barton they both over played it so much that within 10 seconds the opposition have 10 men behind the ball. This is fine playing it until you have an opening if you have Saka, Odegard, De Bruyne, White, Walker over lapping, we have Finley orchestrating it with a square peg in a round hole on the flank! Back to basics, hard to beat away from home based, it’s boring, try and entertain at home. Also ban ifollow! Mangs till end of season now, we’ve left it too long, Rovers style and caused a problem for ourselves. I've got no problem with playing less attractive football or having less possession etc. However, it's what you do with the possession you have that counts. Stevenage almost always have less possession than the opposition. Wycombe aren't known for being a possession based side but they had 59% possession against Stevenage on Saturday. However, Stevenage had twice as many shots and more than three times as many corners. Compare that to Rovers on Saturday. Shots - Carlisle 16 / Rovers 6, On Target - Carlisle 5 / Rovers 2, Corners - Carlisle 10 / Rovers 0. These type of performances will not continue to deliver positive results. We've also got to consider we've just played 3 of the bottom 6. Northampton and Carlisle have only won 1 of their last 7, and Reading haven't won any of their last 9 in L1. We could easily have lost any or all of those games, and I'm not basing that just on statistics. I'm basing that on watching the games, the amount of attacking play each team had, and the chances they created. It's all about opinions, but I'd be more concerned about getting to the magic 50 points than challenging for the play offs if Mangan is given the job. We've been lucky against 3 poor sides and I can't see it continuing, especially with more difficult fixtures to come. It's only been just over 3 weeks since Barton was sacked. This week with the international break coming up would be a good time to appoint the new manager. Personally, I'd go for Robinson or Taylor, but I do accept there is no obvious stand out candidate.
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Post by percy on Nov 13, 2023 10:53:53 GMT
Lucky against 3 poor sides or found a way to win against teams Barton always struggled to cope with? Can argue it from both sides. If he is still in temp charge and we put in a good performance at Derby, I'd give it him to the end of the season. If its a new guy this week, then likely Robinson - worries me tho on paper best option Monk - would be happy with this Taylor - interesting appointment, would be ok with this too
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Post by yattongas on Nov 13, 2023 10:57:28 GMT
As I said, we’ve left it too long and I can explain myself………. If we win tomorrow night, Mangs 5 unbeaten, 7 points from 9 in the league, two cups wins, wouldn’t this suggest the players are playing for him? Also how don’t you give him the job now, it’s a good record isn’t it? And in my opinion we’ve left it too long now to appoint someone else, does Mangs deserve the chance? My Holloway comment was based on the first week after Barton went, I said I’m a romantic and would accept it. Robinson, of all the candidates he’s the best based on what the owner said he wanted………..Div1 experience, promotion out of Div1, younger generation, he’s 43. My pick on him is based on what the chairman said he wanted 🤷🏼♂️ Monk, I shared the views from a Brum ST. City had a plan, we never did, maybe Mangs will go onto be a Trollope or a Gary Thompson (hope it’s not like him!!) Mangs is winning, some still want Barton 67% possession, I just want winning football and he’s doing this. My worry is the David Penney factor, someone comes in and upsets the camp or they just don’t play for him. They never played for Tisdale in the end who came across mild mannered, they played less for Barton, Tisdale left is 4 points above relegation By leaving too long, new blokes comes in, if he doesn’t get is winning, fans starting saying we should have given Mangs the job. Hope I’ve made myself clear, well I’ve tried to. Don’t disagree with Mangs getting the job now as with every win it makes it more difficult to get rid . Think he’ll put out a strong side on tues because he’ll be desperate for another win. Bit disappointed that the board obviously had no plan of who they wanted to bring in as replacement for a guy they’d decided to get rid of about a week before actually sacking him. A few bad results and things will quickly turn sour though , cheap replacement, he’s still playing Barton ball etc etc
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Post by oviedista on Nov 13, 2023 11:08:33 GMT
Surely no manager makes tactical decisions to play 'boring' or 'entertaining' football or any other blanket strategy purely based on whether a tie is home or away?
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Post by chewbacca on Nov 13, 2023 11:10:33 GMT
It's worth looking at the value of the points won by Mangan, basically looking at the points on average the team played give up every game;
Northampton Town - 3 Points Won - Average 1.8 Points Reading - 1 Point Won - Average 2.2 Points Carlisle United - 3 Points Won - Average 1.9 Points
So weighted, Mangan's 7 Point return as 1.1 points up on the average against those clubs. The reasonable form and table make it a less pressing issue to appoint, and maybe easier to keep Mangan as a Caretaker until the end of the season with the potential to appoint. That said, if you have no plans to appoint him long term giving him a January window seems insane. An interesting 2/3 weeks ahead.
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Post by gasmania on Nov 13, 2023 11:22:05 GMT
Mentions of Matt Taylor now he has left Rotherham. I don't know enough about what state Rotherham are in, but given our desire to get to the Championship is it not a bit worrying seeing his 18% win ratio in 50 or so games?
It might not be as bad as it seems as don't know enough, other than they are generally seen as a bit of a yo-yo team, so if anyone knows more I'd be interested to hear? His Exeter team were pretty decent though from what I remember against us 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 11:25:32 GMT
Love your post GasAttack, not being patronising but I love the stats you have shared! Coming back with stats myself, so Cogs got 10 points out of 15. I mentioned the Ipswich win stats which was daylight robbery! Now look at the Oxford away stats which was a caretaker game for him www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46656432Winning again like Mangs at Carlisle, solid at the back and nicking wins. Does Mangs then get his chance in January to bring in a JCH sort and we see his own footballing philosophy played out?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 11:28:00 GMT
A decision needs to be made one way or another this week.
I think the next man in the hot seat will be a scouser again….that’ll please Roadman 😉😂
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 13, 2023 11:29:59 GMT
The problem is we could spend a decade playing possession based football and never reach the Championship, Plymouth look like they could survive this season and I can't recall them playing JB type football? Although as Singupgas(?) suggested there's a middle ground between GC type football and JB's possession based football. Plymouth played out from the back. They had much more pace and power up front than we do. The other team I remember who were legit good in this league playing like that were Sunderland. Coventry did it too. Played some slick football when they got promoted out of this league
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 11:30:36 GMT
Love your post GasAttack, not being patronising but I love the stats you have shared! Coming back with stats myself, so Cogs got 10 points out of 15. I mentioned the Ipswich win stats which was daylight robbery! Now look at the Oxford away stats which was a caretaker game for him www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46656432Winning again like Mangs at Carlisle, solid at the back and nicking wins. Does Mangs then get his chance in January to bring in a JCH sort and we see his own footballing philosophy played out? Cogs also took 4 points from the footballing maverick Barton’s Fleetwood side as well…..as I said previously. Results before performances for me.
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Post by Quarters on Nov 13, 2023 11:32:30 GMT
How much is due to Mangan and how much Bond for the recent games?
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Post by percy on Nov 13, 2023 11:44:52 GMT
This really is a tough one to call
On one hand, Mangs and team doing ok. Something to be said for continuity with this squad until the summer and we already have too much quality in this team to go down. One or two signings in January wouldnt be daft even if he isnt the long term appointment. Would love him, Wheelan and Bond around the squad so no new man might be the best call.
On the other, looking above us, we have the best chance in a long time to really challenge for a play off spot. 3 or 4 decent additions in Jan and the right man to lead us could see us in our first L1 play offs since 1998!
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Post by bidefordgas on Nov 13, 2023 11:45:20 GMT
As I said, we’ve left it too long and I can explain myself………. If we win tomorrow night, Mangs 5 unbeaten, 7 points from 9 in the league, two cups wins, wouldn’t this suggest the players are playing for him? Also how don’t you give him the job now, it’s a good record isn’t it? And in my opinion we’ve left it too long now to appoint someone else, does Mangs deserve the chance? My Holloway comment was based on the first week after Barton went, I said I’m a romantic and would accept it. Robinson, of all the candidates he’s the best based on what the owner said he wanted………..Div1 experience, promotion out of Div1, younger generation, he’s 43. My pick on him is based on what the chairman said he wanted 🤷🏼♂️ Monk, I shared the views from a Brum ST. City had a plan, we never did, maybe Mangs will go onto be a Trollope or a Gary Thompson (hope it’s not like him!!) Mangs is winning, some still want Barton 67% possession, I just want winning football and he’s doing this. My worry is the David Penney factor, someone comes in and upsets the camp or they just don’t play for him. They never played for Tisdale in the end who came across mild mannered, they played less for Barton, Tisdale left is 4 points above relegation By leaving too long, new blokes comes in, if he doesn’t get is winning, fans starting saying we should have given Mangs the job. Hope I’ve made myself clear, well I’ve tried to. Don’t disagree with Mangs getting the job now as with every win it makes it more difficult to get rid . Think he’ll put out a strong side on tues because he’ll be desperate for another win. Bit disappointed that the board obviously had no plan of who they wanted to bring in as replacement for a guy they’d decided to get rid of about a week before actually sacking him. A few bad results and things will quickly turn sour though , cheap replacement, he’s still playing Barton ball etc etc If we can’t win tomorrow night whatever side we put out we really do have problems. Newport have a major injury crisis and could only put five in their bench Saturday including two untried teenagers making up the numbers.
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