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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 13, 2023 11:46:37 GMT
So if we agree Gasify the idea of playing possession based football was correct, it’s essential we have someone in charge of the scouting department who can sign players to enact this style of football. I look at Westbrooke, Grant, Ben Liddle, Woods, Finely, Bogarde, Ward………it’s all sideways passing like exhibition football. You then throw in Oztumer who isn’t trusted and McCormick who loves a relegation on his CV! None of them the first 7 can do what Lines did, Campbell or Marcus Browning did and that’s right forward and break the lines. I watched our goal against Villa in the cup under Big Mal managing us, Browning drives forward and we score. Our midfielders never arrive late in the box like Disley did, they are stood 40 yards back admiring the game! Whoever comes in needs to play a cross balanced game like Trollope and DC, yes some possession but also a mix of direct the likes of Lambert/Walker and Harrison/Gaffeny link up play. Mangs actually did this Saturday, Woods went straight forward into Martin who linked it up straight out wide and we score. Football is so easy, under Garner and Barton they both over played it so much that within 10 seconds the opposition have 10 men behind the ball. This is fine playing it until you have an opening if you have Saka, Odegard, De Bruyne, White, Walker over lapping, we have Finley orchestrating it with a square peg in a round hole on the flank! Back to basics, hard to beat away from home based, it’s boring, try and entertain at home. Also ban ifollow! Mangs till end of season now, we’ve left it too long, Rovers style and caused a problem for ourselves. I've got no problem with playing less attractive football or having less possession etc. However, it's what you do with the possession you have that counts. Stevenage almost always have less possession than the opposition. Wycombe aren't known for being a possession based side but they had 59% possession against Stevenage on Saturday. However, Stevenage had twice as many shots and more than three times as many corners. Compare that to Rovers on Saturday. Shots - Carlisle 16 / Rovers 6, On Target - Carlisle 5 / Rovers 2, Corners - Carlisle 10 / Rovers 0. These type of performances will not continue to deliver positive results. We've also got to consider we've just played 3 of the bottom 6. Northampton and Carlisle have only won 1 of their last 7, and Reading haven't won any of their last 9 in L1. We could easily have lost any or all of those games, and I'm not basing that just on statistics. I'm basing that on watching the games, the amount of attacking play each team had, and the chances they created. It's all about opinions, but I'd be more concerned about getting to the magic 50 points than challenging for the play offs if Mangan is given the job. We've been lucky against 3 poor sides and I can't see it continuing, especially with more difficult fixtures to come. It's only been just over 3 weeks since Barton was sacked. This week with the international break coming up would be a good time to appoint the new manager. Personally, I'd go for Robinson or Taylor, but I do accept there is no obvious stand out candidate. Stevenage play a very counter attacking based system. I actually thought they were one of the better teams to visit the Mem this season. They play a 532/451 system where in defence they are happy to pack it out but then as soon as they have possession move to a high line very quickly and are able to move into the final third within 4 passes. They do this very successfully with players which you could argue are inferior to the quality of ours and it says a lot about Evans as a manager. They had 43% possession against us but looked the better team for longer periods of the game. That said both of these stats are "away" fixtures when defending a 1-0 so they may be slightly skewed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 11:49:21 GMT
A decision needs to be made one way or another this week. I think the next man in the hot seat will be a scouser again….that’ll please Roadman 😉😂 I’m not anti scousers, I’m anti bringing in mates on an industrial scale. Faz told me last week Oxford are not ready for him! Craig Short has a young family and very nice house in Bicester, I don’t see them coming with him. If Robinson can impart what Oxford have done from bottom to top, I’d be happy. I’m not looking for a Scouse row again Gasdust.
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Post by GasAttacK on Nov 13, 2023 11:50:07 GMT
Love your post GasAttack, not being patronising but I love the stats you have shared! Coming back with stats myself, so Cogs got 10 points out of 15. I mentioned the Ipswich win stats which was daylight robbery! Now look at the Oxford away stats which was a caretaker game for him www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46656432Winning again like Mangs at Carlisle, solid at the back and nicking wins. Does Mangs then get his chance in January to bring in a JCH sort and we see his own footballing philosophy played out? I hear what you're saying but I just don't think it's sustainable, and I think we'd have fallen away under Coughlan as well. I guess we'll never know. I was at that Oxford game, and Ipswich. As you say, Ipswich was a robbery, but you get games like that sometimes. I just don't think you can win games like that week in, week out. The Oxford stats aren't anywhere near as one sided as at Carlisle on Saturday. Carlisle had 10 more shots and 10 more corners. If you have great forwards like Hayles, Roberts, Cureton, Ellington etc, even JCH when he was here last time, then maybe you'll do alright playing that way, but we don't have those players now. Also, we've played 3 very poor sides, we would probably have seen a very different set of results had we played teams in the top 10. If Mangan gets the job, I hope he proves me wrong, but I fear we'll be looking for another new manager early next year. As I said, it's all about opinions, and football would be boring if we all saw things the same. I have a feeling they'll make a decision this week. Whatever they decide, lets hope they get it right.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 13, 2023 11:50:09 GMT
Plymouth played out from the back. They had much more pace and power up front than we do. The other team I remember who were legit good in this league playing like that were Sunderland. Coventry did it too. Played some slick football when they got promoted out of this league They also had a championship ready squad which Robins had built over the previous season. Watched them a few times that year and I agree, lovely football.
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Post by chewbacca on Nov 13, 2023 11:52:04 GMT
Coventry did it too. Played some slick football when they got promoted out of this league They also had a championship ready squad which Robins had built over the previous season. Watched them a few times that year and I agree, lovely football. Could have sworn we had one of those...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 11:53:17 GMT
Love your post GasAttack, not being patronising but I love the stats you have shared! Coming back with stats myself, so Cogs got 10 points out of 15. I mentioned the Ipswich win stats which was daylight robbery! Now look at the Oxford away stats which was a caretaker game for him www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46656432Winning again like Mangs at Carlisle, solid at the back and nicking wins. Does Mangs then get his chance in January to bring in a JCH sort and we see his own footballing philosophy played out? Cogs also took 4 points from the footballing maverick Barton’s Fleetwood side as well…..as I said previously. Results before performances for me. Cogs would have done him in a scarp as well, Dunne would have chased Mangs around the ground like the Road Runner being chased as well 😂 Dust, I’d love to see Barton’s post match comments if you can find them, please tell me he hammered Cogs for route one football!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 11:54:10 GMT
They also had a championship ready squad which Robins had built over the previous season. Watched them a few times that year and I agree, lovely football. Could have sworn we had one of those... Topper said best squad since Holloway 👍
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 13, 2023 11:57:32 GMT
Mentions of Matt Taylor now he has left Rotherham. I don't know enough about what state Rotherham are in, but given our desire to get to the Championship is it not a bit worrying seeing his 18% win ratio in 50 or so games? It might not be as bad as it seems as don't know enough, other than they are generally seen as a bit of a yo-yo team, so if anyone knows more I'd be interested to hear? His Exeter team were pretty decent though from what I remember against us 🤔 Taylor had Exeter playing some lovely football and recruited well in L2. Thought they were the best team we played against that season especially when they hammered us 4-1 down their place. Would I have him here? Absolutely I would. Can we get him? Dunno, he's not going to be in a rush for a job I don't think, but I think he fits our ethos and could work well with Mangan et al. Rotherham are a club which perennially bounce between L1 and the Champ but have a ceiling with their current ownership. Smallest budget in that division, heavily reliant on selling assets to keep the club stable, the only managers that would work successfully there would be a Warnock type imo. Scouting around their forums not many wanted Taylor to leave and many are questioning who they would get that would be ultimately better, and I kind of agree.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 13, 2023 12:01:45 GMT
They also had a championship ready squad which Robins had built over the previous season. Watched them a few times that year and I agree, lovely football. Could have sworn we had one of those... They really did have one of those. Players like Micheal Rose, Dominic Hyam, Kyle McFadzean, Matt Godden, JCH, a fit Jodi Jones. It really was a great squad.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Nov 13, 2023 12:02:50 GMT
Lucky against 3 poor sides or found a way to win against teams Barton always struggled to cope with? Can argue it from both sides. If he is still in temp charge and we put in a good performance at Derby, I'd give it him to the end of the season. If its a new guy this week, then likely Robinson - worries me tho on paper best option Monk - would be happy with this Taylor - interesting appointment, would be ok with this too I agree with keep Mangan to the end of the season; sign JCH in January, extend contract with Martin to the end of the season, with that fire power BRFC have a great chance of reaching the championship. Robinson, Monk, Taylor have done what, and know who ?
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Post by wallywalters on Nov 13, 2023 12:06:49 GMT
Mentions of Matt Taylor now he has left Rotherham. I don't know enough about what state Rotherham are in, but given our desire to get to the Championship is it not a bit worrying seeing his 18% win ratio in 50 or so games? It might not be as bad as it seems as don't know enough, other than they are generally seen as a bit of a yo-yo team, so if anyone knows more I'd be interested to hear? His Exeter team were pretty decent though from what I remember against us 🤔 Taylor had Exeter playing some lovely football and recruited well in L2. Thought they were the best team we played against that season especially when they hammered us 4-1 down their place. Would I have him here? Absolutely I would. Can we get him? Dunno, he's not going to be in a rush for a job I don't think, but I think he fits our ethos and could work well with Mangan et al. Rotherham are a club which perennially bounce between L1 and the Champ but have a ceiling with their current ownership. Smallest budget in that division, heavily reliant on selling assets to keep the club stable, the only managers that would work successfully there would be a Warnock type imo. Scouting around their forums not many wanted Taylor to leave and many are questioning who they would get that would be ultimately better, and I kind of agree. I have just been reading a few forums from Rotherham and your right the majority don't want him gone. They were happy with what he was trying to do at the club and point out that warne also had 2 relegations for them on his CV. I have to echo your point on Exeter too that was probably the best side I've seen at league 2 level they played fantastic stuff. He's definitely worth an enquiry.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 13, 2023 12:16:01 GMT
Coventry did it too. Played some slick football when they got promoted out of this league They also had a championship ready squad which Robins had built over the previous season. Watched them a few times that year and I agree, lovely football. I don’t often say it but they were good to watch when they were at the mem. I didn’t and don’t really pay much attention to other teams squads but I remember thinking how slick they looked and made us look pedestrian. I think we got JCH from them too. Makes me wonder if he is worth pursuing given that they sold him and now another team wants him gone. It seems they do not see him as a championship player.
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Post by TAGas on Nov 13, 2023 12:32:56 GMT
Agreed the new manager whoever that is needs to have a good look at the squad in preparation for the January window.
Not sure what Mangan contacts for transfers would be like and not sure if Jennings is still around?
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Post by percy on Nov 13, 2023 12:43:47 GMT
Agreed the new manager whoever that is needs to have a good look at the squad in preparation for the January window. Not sure what Mangan contacts for transfers would be like and not sure if Jennings is still around? Surely Wheelan (league of ireland) and Bond can get us what we need? 1x Keeper 1x Left Back 1x Striker Maybe one other if better available than we have
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Post by eric on Nov 13, 2023 13:23:27 GMT
Evening Post suggest there will be an appointment this week……and that Monk is away in the US all week
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 13, 2023 13:26:12 GMT
Wouldn't it be ironic if AM was in the running for manager of the month award, then a permanent appointment was brought in ?
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Post by yattongas on Nov 13, 2023 13:26:37 GMT
Evening Post suggest there will be an appointment this week……and that Monk is away in the US all week Who’s your money on Eric ?
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Post by eric on Nov 13, 2023 13:33:20 GMT
Evening Post suggest there will be an appointment this week……and that Monk is away in the US all week Who’s your money on Eric ? I think it will be Robinson - no inside info though, just guesswork.
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Post by chewbacca on Nov 13, 2023 13:36:22 GMT
Agreed the new manager whoever that is needs to have a good look at the squad in preparation for the January window. Not sure what Mangan contacts for transfers would be like and not sure if Jennings is still around? Surely Wheelan (league of ireland) and Bond can get us what we need? 1x Keeper 1x Left Back 1x Striker Maybe one other if better available than we have Big assumption saying Whelan knows anything about the LOI, he's never played in it. I'm sure he'll be delighted with St Pats cup win yesterday though.
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Post by pirate on Nov 13, 2023 13:48:20 GMT
Surely Wheelan (league of ireland) and Bond can get us what we need? 1x Keeper 1x Left Back 1x Striker Maybe one other if better available than we have Big assumption saying Whelan knows anything about the LOI, he's never played in it. I'm sure he'll be delighted with St Pats cup win yesterday though. Sam Curtis, Adam Murphy and Mason Melia are three top talents at St Pats. Recently noticed that Mark Doyle (who scored in the cup final) is out-of-contract at the end of the Month and I reckon he would do well over here in L1/L2.
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