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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 13, 2023 19:52:55 GMT
Sounds like an older version of Garner, with virtually zero league managerial experience. Last week they were apparently going to appoint that Irish manager, I wonder what their fans make of the appointment? But for every Garner there's a McKenna. One thing that definitely hasn't worked for us is experienced managers.
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Post by wilkimania on Nov 13, 2023 20:08:35 GMT
Sounds like an older version of Garner, with virtually zero league managerial experience. Last week they were apparently going to appoint that Irish manager, I wonder what their fans make of the appointment? The Leeds fans seem to rate him. Did the youth teams that Garner managed rave about him? I've blocked out most of the background on him from my mind now.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 13, 2023 20:09:48 GMT
Sounds like an older version of Garner, with virtually zero league managerial experience. Last week they were apparently going to appoint that Irish manager, I wonder what their fans make of the appointment? But for every Garner there's a McKenna. One thing that definitely hasn't worked for us is experienced managers. Is there, how many other McKenna's are they, I can only think of Rob Edwards?
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Post by rememberhalifax on Nov 13, 2023 20:42:18 GMT
Agree 100% with those who say that JB was trying to prepare us for the Championship and i was desperate for him to succeed. I did think though that he was tactically naïve in believing that he did not need a more balanced approach in league 1 and in this respect i think he needed help and advice from an experienced and wise head, a Lenny,/trolls set up if you like, i am doubtful though that he would have accepted any advice, shame but there we go, we must move on now , its good we have been picking up points in the interim, i would like Gary Monk here but it's a big ask i think.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 13, 2023 20:48:30 GMT
But for every Garner there's a McKenna. One thing that definitely hasn't worked for us is experienced managers. Is there, how many other McKenna's are they, I can only think of Rob Edwards? Well I can think of Liam Manning, Neil Critchley and Mark Bonner to name but three who were coaching younger age teams and perhaps John Mousinho (came from Oxford but I’m unsure if he was actually coaching youngsters.) And that’s without checking through and only in League 1. But the point is, a club with a well organised football department/DOF would know who was doing well at different clubs in their age teams. We seem not to have that and will likely go for someone on the managerial merry go round who’s from the list already mentioned. And every time a young inexperienced candidate is mentioned the spectre of Ben Garner is always mentioned. It’s a tad unfair as the idea behind his appointment was a good one it just didn’t work out. And some kind of myth has grown up around him that makes him some kind of bogeyman which isn’t totally fair as there were other reasons for what happened. (Not least the failure to finish the recruitment in Summer 20 to include a proper CF.) Anyway, I think Mangan has a good chance of being appointed having done nothing wrong so far. Robinson would be ok. A good overall record spoilt by his last few months at Oxford. And if they appoint a candidate who hasn’t been mentioned so far it would be a surprise but also something that would fit into what we’ve done in the past given most of our promotions have been achieved by rookie managers. UTG!
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Post by gasify on Nov 13, 2023 21:01:33 GMT
But for every Garner there's a McKenna. One thing that definitely hasn't worked for us is experienced managers. Is there, how many other McKenna's are they, I can only think of Rob Edwards? Are we getting Paul McKenna? That is a significant upgrade from Uri Geller. New owners showing a bit of ambition finally.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 13, 2023 22:04:15 GMT
Is there, how many other McKenna's are they, I can only think of Rob Edwards? Well I can think of Liam Manning, Neil Critchley and Mark Bonner to name but three who were coaching younger age teams and perhaps John Mousinho (came from Oxford but I’m unsure if he was actually coaching youngsters.) And that’s without checking through and only in League 1. But the point is, a club with a well organised football department/DOF would know who was doing well at different clubs in their age teams. We seem not to have that and will likely go for someone on the managerial merry go round who’s from the list already mentioned. And every time a young inexperienced candidate is mentioned the spectre of Ben Garner is always mentioned. It’s a tad unfair as the idea behind his appointment was a good one it just didn’t work out. And some kind of myth has grown up around him that makes him some kind of bogeyman which isn’t totally fair as there were other reasons for what happened. (Not least the failure to finish the recruitment in Summer 20 to include a proper CF.) Anyway, I think Mangan has a good chance of being appointed having done nothing wrong so far. Robinson would be ok. A good overall record spoilt by his last few months at Oxford. And if they appoint a candidate who hasn’t been mentioned so far it would be a surprise but also something that would fit into what we’ve done in the past given most of our promotions have been achieved by rookie managers. UTG! Manning's in his 4th managerial role, whilst Critchley was a success at Blackpool oddly he returned to being an Assistant at Vila then flopped at QPR and Bonner now looks like he's on borrowed time at Cambridge. There are few ex Academy managers who've been a success in their first job and not ended up being sacked after a couple of seasons.
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Post by Gassy on Nov 14, 2023 10:32:18 GMT
eric I lost your post now to reply, but where did you see we will potentially appoint someone this week? I had a look on the BP but couldn’t see anything?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 14, 2023 10:34:59 GMT
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Post by eric on Nov 14, 2023 11:25:41 GMT
eric I lost your post now to reply, but where did you see we will potentially appoint someone this week? I had a look on the BP but couldn’t see anything? It was in their Bristol Rovers Page in the daily “Live” stream.
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Post by pudseygas on Nov 14, 2023 11:35:25 GMT
eric I lost your post now to reply, but where did you see we will potentially appoint someone this week? I had a look on the BP but couldn’t see anything? It was in their Bristol Rovers Page in the daily “Live” stream. No substance to that article other than its been over 2 weeks so the club might be ready to appoint someone
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 11:52:52 GMT
Just put £20 on Mangs at 4-1, that’s the max Bet Victor letting you do.
Win tonight he’s got the job I think.
I can’t see the club laying off 8 or so of the management team if Mangs isn’t undefeated in 5 games and say a Monk wants to bring his own team in.
Should be a nice £80 profit, we never had a plan and Mangs has become it just like Cogs I guess.
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Post by pucklegas on Nov 14, 2023 12:02:31 GMT
Just put £20 on Mangs at 4-1, that’s the max Bet Victor letting you do. Win tonight he’s got the job I think. I can’t see the club laying off 8 or so of the management team if Mangs isn’t undefeated in 5 games and say a Monk wants to bring his own team in. Should be a nice £80 profit, we never had a plan and Mangs has become it just like Cogs I guess. Paul, if Joey gets Rotherham job, do you think they will stay? Matt Taylor did a great job at Exeter, now available, not decrying his results but Mangers does not match what their skills criteria required.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 14, 2023 12:06:06 GMT
Oxford so-say interested in Luke Williams at Notts County. It would be some statement of intent to land him. He would do well with the players we currently have here.
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Post by RD on Nov 14, 2023 12:13:14 GMT
The longer it goes on, the longer it's Mangan's to lose I think (not saying I want him!).
Surely any conversations with other targets would have taken place by now, so the longer it goes on, the more it appears to be a case of "don't balls it up and it's yours".
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Post by wilkimania on Nov 14, 2023 12:14:38 GMT
Oxford so-say interested in Luke Williams at Notts County. It would be some statement of intent to land him. He would do well with the players we currently have here. Shows how a job can change perspectives. Imagine the meltdown on here a year ago when his only job would've been a failure at Swindon. Sometimes it's not about the standard of the manager but the fit between the manager and the club.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 12:14:42 GMT
Just put £20 on Mangs at 4-1, that’s the max Bet Victor letting you do. Win tonight he’s got the job I think. I can’t see the club laying off 8 or so of the management team if Mangs isn’t undefeated in 5 games and say a Monk wants to bring his own team in. Should be a nice £80 profit, we never had a plan and Mangs has become it just like Cogs I guess. Paul, if Joey gets Rotherham job, do you think they will stay? Matt Taylor did a great job at Exeter, now available, not decrying his results but Mangers does not match what their skills criteria required. Personally I don’t see Barton getting a job unless it’s someone with a poor budget or in financial trouble like Reading or Wigan. He has the ability to offer them his services to work for free to get a foot in the door. Why would you take him on with sponsors etc, it’s a proper time bomb but that’s just my opinion. I keep saying it re Oxford, they have a proper structure, Luke Williams or whoever fits in there perfectly. I might get bashed for this but why would you take the Rovers job of you were Taylor who will be a wanted man? We have no real scouting network, new owners who don’t really understand football ownership yet and a CEO and previous owner who have had 5 managers in 5 years? We are where we are with our candidate list, Monk out of work for 3 years, Robinson looks a good candidate but something doesn’t sit right. The rest, Holloway, Calum Davison, all unemployed and desperate for work.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 12:19:44 GMT
If you were Challinor, Williams, any of them doing well at a club where you are settled and part of a winning culture, honestly why would you take us on?
Give us some solid genuine reasons you’d take our job?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 12:19:48 GMT
Just put £20 on Mangs at 4-1, that’s the max Bet Victor letting you do. Win tonight he’s got the job I think. I can’t see the club laying off 8 or so of the management team if Mangs isn’t undefeated in 5 games and say a Monk wants to bring his own team in. Should be a nice £80 profit, we never had a plan and Mangs has become it just like Cogs I guess. Paul, if Joey gets Rotherham job, do you think they will stay? Matt Taylor did a great job at Exeter, now available, not decrying his results but Mangers does not match what their skills criteria required. Why would he get the Rotherham job? A few reasons why I don’t think he will. 1) his one attempt to save a car crash season ended up in a bigger car crash than the one he walked in on 2) he’s not shown anything at all to prove he’s a champ level manager. 3) he himself said he’d never take a job half way through a season again….then again….cant trust what he says
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Post by Russgas on Nov 14, 2023 12:20:59 GMT
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