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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 12:21:21 GMT
Paul, if Joey gets Rotherham job, do you think they will stay? Matt Taylor did a great job at Exeter, now available, not decrying his results but Mangers does not match what their skills criteria required. Personally I don’t see Barton getting a job unless it’s someone with a poor budget or in financial trouble like Reading or Wigan. He has the ability to offer them his services to work for free to get a foot in the door. Why would you take him on with sponsors etc, it’s a proper time bomb but that’s just my opinion. I keep saying it re Oxford, they have a proper structure, Luke Williams or whoever fits in there perfectly. I might get bashed for this but why would you take the Rovers job of you were Taylor who will be a wanted man? We have no real scouting network, new owners who don’t really understand football ownership yet and a CEO and previous owner who have had 5 managers in 5 years? We are where we are with our candidate list, Monk out of work for 3 years, Robinson looks a good candidate but something doesn’t sit right. The rest, Holloway, Calum Davison, all unemployed and desperate for work. Was told earlier on that one of the names linked to us turned us down last week due to location
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Post by heartofgas on Nov 14, 2023 12:27:08 GMT
Personally I don’t see Barton getting a job unless it’s someone with a poor budget or in financial trouble like Reading or Wigan. He has the ability to offer them his services to work for free to get a foot in the door. Why would you take him on with sponsors etc, it’s a proper time bomb but that’s just my opinion. I keep saying it re Oxford, they have a proper structure, Luke Williams or whoever fits in there perfectly. I might get bashed for this but why would you take the Rovers job of you were Taylor who will be a wanted man? We have no real scouting network, new owners who don’t really understand football ownership yet and a CEO and previous owner who have had 5 managers in 5 years? We are where we are with our candidate list, Monk out of work for 3 years, Robinson looks a good candidate but something doesn’t sit right. The rest, Holloway, Calum Davison, all unemployed and desperate for work. Was told earlier on that one of the names linked to us turned us down last week due to location Was it Pep?
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Post by Claremont Gas on Nov 14, 2023 12:28:09 GMT
Personally I don’t see Barton getting a job unless it’s someone with a poor budget or in financial trouble like Reading or Wigan. He has the ability to offer them his services to work for free to get a foot in the door. Why would you take him on with sponsors etc, it’s a proper time bomb but that’s just my opinion. I keep saying it re Oxford, they have a proper structure, Luke Williams or whoever fits in there perfectly. I might get bashed for this but why would you take the Rovers job of you were Taylor who will be a wanted man? We have no real scouting network, new owners who don’t really understand football ownership yet and a CEO and previous owner who have had 5 managers in 5 years? We are where we are with our candidate list, Monk out of work for 3 years, Robinson looks a good candidate but something doesn’t sit right. The rest, Holloway, Calum Davison, all unemployed and desperate for work. Was told earlier on that one of the names linked to us turned us down last week due to location Which one ?
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 14, 2023 12:30:13 GMT
Oxford so-say interested in Luke Williams at Notts County. It would be some statement of intent to land him. He would do well with the players we currently have here. Shows how a job can change perspectives. Imagine the meltdown on here a year ago when his only job would've been a failure at Swindon. Sometimes it's not about the standard of the manager but the fit between the manager and the club. I agree. It must be so difficult deciding on a manager as they can be great at one club and pish at another. Paul Cook at Ipswich is a good example, stock was pretty high when he joined them and finished up with a 29/30% win rate and ended up in the conference. It has to be a perfect fit, just hope due diligence is done by the powers that be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 12:32:44 GMT
Personally I don’t see Barton getting a job unless it’s someone with a poor budget or in financial trouble like Reading or Wigan. He has the ability to offer them his services to work for free to get a foot in the door. Why would you take him on with sponsors etc, it’s a proper time bomb but that’s just my opinion. I keep saying it re Oxford, they have a proper structure, Luke Williams or whoever fits in there perfectly. I might get bashed for this but why would you take the Rovers job of you were Taylor who will be a wanted man? We have no real scouting network, new owners who don’t really understand football ownership yet and a CEO and previous owner who have had 5 managers in 5 years? We are where we are with our candidate list, Monk out of work for 3 years, Robinson looks a good candidate but something doesn’t sit right. The rest, Holloway, Calum Davison, all unemployed and desperate for work. Was told earlier on that one of the names linked to us turned us down last week due to location How credible was your source, I am struggling to believe this unless it was a real unrealistic candidate like Eustace etc? Re the link put up for Rotherham, ideal job for Monk but I think Warnock has to be favourite for this, Yorkshireman, loves a relegation battle, now this has him all over it!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 12:34:17 GMT
Was told earlier on that one of the names linked to us turned us down last week due to location Which one ? Wasn’t given a name but my guess would be Neil Harris. Meets the criteria of getting promoted from the division and managing in the champ but is also settled in the east of the country. As I say, that’s guess work from me and of course the info I heard this morning could have been wrong so please don’t think I’m trying to be “ITK”
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Post by phillistine on Nov 14, 2023 12:43:15 GMT
Personally I don’t see Barton getting a job unless it’s someone with a poor budget or in financial trouble like Reading or Wigan. He has the ability to offer them his services to work for free to get a foot in the door. Why would you take him on with sponsors etc, it’s a proper time bomb but that’s just my opinion. I keep saying it re Oxford, they have a proper structure, Luke Williams or whoever fits in there perfectly. I might get bashed for this but why would you take the Rovers job of you were Taylor who will be a wanted man? We have no real scouting network, new owners who don’t really understand football ownership yet and a CEO and previous owner who have had 5 managers in 5 years? We are where we are with our candidate list, Monk out of work for 3 years, Robinson looks a good candidate but something doesn’t sit right. The rest, Holloway, Calum Davison, all unemployed and desperate for work. Was told earlier on that one of the names linked to us turned us down last week due to location That seems plain silly. The person had attended an interview been offered the job and only then discovered where Bristol was? What does that say about the calibre of person being interviewed?
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Post by wilkimania on Nov 14, 2023 12:45:05 GMT
Was told earlier on that one of the names linked to us turned us down last week due to location That seems plain silly. The person had attended an interview been offered the job and only then discovered where Bristol was? What does that say about the calibre of person being interviewed? Or the club pursued them through the managers agent and when the manager turned around and spoke to their family, they decided it wasn't feasible to move for the role.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 12:48:01 GMT
That seems plain silly. The person had attended an interview been offered the job and only then discovered where Bristol was? What does that say about the calibre of person being interviewed? Or the club pursued them through the managers agent and when the manager turned around and spoke to their family, they decided it wasn't feasible to move for the role. Stop being so logical with your thinking , please.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 14, 2023 12:50:58 GMT
Well I can think of Liam Manning, Neil Critchley and Mark Bonner to name but three who were coaching younger age teams and perhaps John Mousinho (came from Oxford but I’m unsure if he was actually coaching youngsters.) And that’s without checking through and only in League 1. But the point is, a club with a well organised football department/DOF would know who was doing well at different clubs in their age teams. We seem not to have that and will likely go for someone on the managerial merry go round who’s from the list already mentioned. And every time a young inexperienced candidate is mentioned the spectre of Ben Garner is always mentioned. It’s a tad unfair as the idea behind his appointment was a good one it just didn’t work out. And some kind of myth has grown up around him that makes him some kind of bogeyman which isn’t totally fair as there were other reasons for what happened. (Not least the failure to finish the recruitment in Summer 20 to include a proper CF.) Anyway, I think Mangan has a good chance of being appointed having done nothing wrong so far. Robinson would be ok. A good overall record spoilt by his last few months at Oxford. And if they appoint a candidate who hasn’t been mentioned so far it would be a surprise but also something that would fit into what we’ve done in the past given most of our promotions have been achieved by rookie managers. UTG! Manning's in his 4th managerial role, whilst Critchley was a success at Blackpool oddly he returned to being an Assistant at Vila then flopped at QPR and Bonner now looks like he's on borrowed time at Cambridge. There are few ex Academy managers who've been a success in their first job and not ended up being sacked after a couple of seasons. Yes, Manning is, but his first appointment in Belgium went well as did his post at MKD. I guess that was my point him and the other two weren’t really known but were appointed for their coaching experience. Like McKenna. My point was we shouldn’t compare all young coaches with BG every time we have a vacancy. Lots of successful examples out there. UTG!
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Post by madgas on Nov 14, 2023 12:51:12 GMT
Unless we're naming people I don't think "Turned down on location" is helpful to spread...
Far too many caveats to understand...
Turned down- the job, canceled an interview, rejected a approach?
"Location" could easy be a polite "no thanks."
Eg. On reflection I'd like to manage higher. I've decided having managed bristol city, I don't wanna go near that sorry for waisting your time. I've got wind of something better.
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Post by wilkimania on Nov 14, 2023 12:51:28 GMT
Or the club pursued them through the managers agent and when the manager turned around and spoke to their family, they decided it wasn't feasible to move for the role. Stop being so logical with your thinking , please. Ok. I think it was Ruud Van Nistelrooy that turned us down due to geography
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 12:53:24 GMT
Unless we're naming people I don't think "Turned down on location" is helpful to spread... Far too many caveats to understand... Turned down- the job, canceled an interview, rejected a approach? "Location" could easy be a polite "no thanks." Eg. On reflection I'd like to manage higher. I've decided having managed bristol city, I don't wanna go near that sorry for waisting your time. I've got wind of something better. Just repeating what I was told , next time I won’t bother 👍🏻
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Post by madgas on Nov 14, 2023 12:56:26 GMT
Unless we're naming people I don't think "Turned down on location" is helpful to spread... Far too many caveats to understand... Turned down- the job, canceled an interview, rejected a approach? "Location" could easy be a polite "no thanks." Eg. On reflection I'd like to manage higher. I've decided having managed bristol city, I don't wanna go near that sorry for waisting your time. I've got wind of something better. Just repeating what I was told , next time I won’t bother 👍🏻 Yeah, apologies. I verge on saying everyone should be really cautious which isn't particularly fun. But equally- the vacuum gets filled with "shows the candidates were after" kinda commentary. Tough gig. Do you know name of the manager?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 12:59:20 GMT
Just repeating what I was told , next time I won’t bother 👍🏻 Yeah, apologies. I verge on saying everyone should be really cautious which isn't particularly fun. But equally- the vacuum gets filled with "shows the candidates were after" kinda commentary. Tough gig. Do you know name of the manager? Nope. If you read a few posts up you’ll see my thoughts on it.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 14, 2023 12:59:37 GMT
Oxford so-say interested in Luke Williams at Notts County. It would be some statement of intent to land him. He would do well with the players we currently have here. Shows how a job can change perspectives. Imagine the meltdown on here a year ago when his only job would've been a failure at Swindon. Sometimes it's not about the standard of the manager but the fit between the manager and the club. Spot on. Past failure does not predict future success. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 14, 2023 13:05:45 GMT
Personally I don’t see Barton getting a job unless it’s someone with a poor budget or in financial trouble like Reading or Wigan. He has the ability to offer them his services to work for free to get a foot in the door. Why would you take him on with sponsors etc, it’s a proper time bomb but that’s just my opinion. I keep saying it re Oxford, they have a proper structure, Luke Williams or whoever fits in there perfectly. I might get bashed for this but why would you take the Rovers job of you were Taylor who will be a wanted man? We have no real scouting network, new owners who don’t really understand football ownership yet and a CEO and previous owner who have had 5 managers in 5 years? We are where we are with our candidate list, Monk out of work for 3 years, Robinson looks a good candidate but something doesn’t sit right. The rest, Holloway, Calum Davison, all unemployed and desperate for work. Was told earlier on that one of the names linked to us turned us down last week due to location Possibly the Cowleys? He turned down the Bradford job because of his family situation, children’s schooling being disrupted by a move. That was reported. May have turned us down for the same reason. No idea, just speculating. UTG!
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Post by readinggas on Nov 14, 2023 13:14:35 GMT
Oxford so-say interested in Luke Williams at Notts County. It would be some statement of intent to land him. He would do well with the players we currently have here. Shows how a job can change perspectives. Imagine the meltdown on here a year ago when his only job would've been a failure at Swindon. Sometimes it's not about the standard of the manager but the fit between the manager and the club.
It's exactly this. Gerry Francis didn't come to us after a glittering stint at Exeter. But he knew how to graft hard and build a solid squad on a pauper's budget that battled, won ugly and got results. Right man, right time.
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Post by Marshy on Nov 14, 2023 13:15:35 GMT
Was told earlier on that one of the names linked to us turned us down last week due to location Possibly the Cowleys? He turned down the Bradford job because of his family situation, children’s schooling being disrupted by a move. That was reported. May have turned us down for the same reason. No idea, just speculating. UTG! George Cowley? Now he was a professional!
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Post by percy on Nov 14, 2023 13:15:57 GMT
Shows how a job can change perspectives. Imagine the meltdown on here a year ago when his only job would've been a failure at Swindon. Sometimes it's not about the standard of the manager but the fit between the manager and the club. I agree. It must be so difficult deciding on a manager as they can be great at one club and pish at another. Paul Cook at Ipswich is a good example, stock was pretty high when he joined them and finished up with a 29/30% win rate and ended up in the conference. It has to be a perfect fit, just hope due diligence is done by the powers that be. This is the crux for me. No previously successful manager has won us promotion. Joey probably the closest to being established, and we had to drop down first. Plus we know a complete change of coaching staff mid season could be disastrous. If I was the owners id be looking for someone willing to work with the majority of current coaching staff until the end of the season. Be that as a DoF with Mangs as head coach or outright manager. Someone like Monk who doesnt have a current role and there fore team he has recently worked with could suit this
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