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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 14, 2023 15:08:16 GMT
Unless we're naming people I don't think "Turned down on location" is helpful to spread... Far too many caveats to understand... Turned down- the job, canceled an interview, rejected a approach? "Location" could easy be a polite "no thanks." Eg. On reflection I'd like to manage higher. I've decided having managed bristol city, I don't wanna go near that sorry for waisting your time. I've got wind of something better. Just repeating what I was told , next time I won’t bother 👍🏻 Welcome to Gas chat nobody will believe a word you say unless you have court certified information
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 14, 2023 15:12:36 GMT
Past failures do not inform the future I agree but it does help when to be fair this is the only measure we have. We do it for everyone, remember JCH before he came here - really underwhelming goals record, now the speculation that he'll come back generates 100s pages of comments and positivity. like it or not the past is an indication of the futureNo, it is not the only measure you have. Of course it is an indicator. But (and no idea what you do) I’ve interviewed hundreds of candidates for posts and I’ve known what people say (references) but I also knew they’d sometimes say stuff that isn’t correct and references can be misleading and you’d have to sift through it all. Questioning, giving scenarios, putting them under pressure by putting them into that situation and observing, talking to people you trust if possible. Loads of stuff before finally making a judgement. Football is very different but I bet owners do all those things. As you say at the end, it is an indicator but only an indicator which any appointment will dissect and investigate. After all if Gerry Francis was judged only on his Exeter record he wouldn’t have got our job. Exeter at the time was an impossible job and the owners of Rovers did their stuff and appointed him. I know you could point to examples where it didn’t work but it can as we know. And in the end there are never any guarantees in football whether it’s players’ transfers of the appointment of a manager. Fingers crossed. 🤞🏽 UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 14, 2023 15:17:54 GMT
George Cowley? Now he was a professional! Ffs tea on the sofa, 😂😂😂👏👏. Bodie and Doyle legends. Lol!! Ive never watched The Professionals and didn’t know him. I just marvelled at Marshy’s encyclopaedic knowledge of professional footballers. 😉
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Post by phillistine on Nov 14, 2023 15:22:27 GMT
That seems plain silly. The person had attended an interview been offered the job and only then discovered where Bristol was? What does that say about the calibre of person being interviewed? Or the club pursued them through the managers agent and when the manager turned around and spoke to their family, they decided it wasn't feasible to move for the role. Being approached to consider a position is different from being offered the job. You think that they would offer the job to someone they had only spoken to through an agent? You don't have very high regard for the people that run our club do you?
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 14, 2023 15:35:42 GMT
Some managers based a bit further north might be holding out and getting excited about a potential opportunity at Notts County if this move goes through... Oxford again going for the successful manager in a job approach. We really have made a balls up of this, I’m just glad Mangs has settled the ship. But if he does the Garry Thompson job who the players wanted him to have the job as well, we can only blame ourselves. No plan, no idea of who to appoint, and for me you’d be an idiot joining us as a manager if you were already in a job. Imagine being interviewed by the ex CEO of Inter Milan, the ex Financial Controller of Man United and Faz who was England assistant manager under Keegan and Sven and Southgate at Boro……….and then us, ex Brighton marketing manager, new owners from Kuwait with Wael and the previous managers best mate in Jennings. When I see the no context Bristol rovers on Twitter bloke post, I really think he has it right most times We know you’ve got a view Roadman but you’re obsessed with celebrity and the Inter Milan connection at Oxford. Blimey, to listen to you about Oxford you’d think they were PL. They've had a good run, are doing well and have a chance of promotion. Will it happen? I’ve no idea but they are doing well. And considering the list of managers I’ve seen linked to the Oxford job I don’t think the process there is much different than the process with us. It’s as long as our list. Whoever we appoint I hope we do a more objective assessment than just looking at connections to Inter Milan or anywhere else. Why have we made a “balls up” of it? I reckon Mangan is doing a decent job, points on the board, players playing pretty well and as for the “no plan, no idea of who to appoint…” Just like me and the rest you’ve got no idea what conversations have been had. No different than the situation at Oxford. Some would say the owners have judged this pretty well. No idea but I guess time will tell though Mangan has done a decent job so far and Bond coming in appears a sensible move. Honestly Roadman, you do seem a bit obsessed with celebrity and who you know rather than the football. No worries because it’s usually entertaining and I do enjoy reading most of what you post. 👍👍👍 UTG!
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Post by yattongas on Nov 14, 2023 15:39:48 GMT
Just repeating what I was told , next time I won’t bother 👍🏻 Welcome to Gas chat nobody will believe a word you say unless you have court certified information Precisely why I haven’t told you all who our new manger is going to be .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 16:02:37 GMT
Oxford again going for the successful manager in a job approach. We really have made a balls up of this, I’m just glad Mangs has settled the ship. But if he does the Garry Thompson job who the players wanted him to have the job as well, we can only blame ourselves. No plan, no idea of who to appoint, and for me you’d be an idiot joining us as a manager if you were already in a job. Imagine being interviewed by the ex CEO of Inter Milan, the ex Financial Controller of Man United and Faz who was England assistant manager under Keegan and Sven and Southgate at Boro……….and then us, ex Brighton marketing manager, new owners from Kuwait with Wael and the previous managers best mate in Jennings. When I see the no context Bristol rovers on Twitter bloke post, I really think he has it right most times "again"? They took on Manning who was an absolute car crash at MK Dons - his side were one of the worst sides i've watched us against. Lost in the play offs and sold his best players, one went for £1.8 million to Celtic. A bit like Shrews that season under Paul Hurst when they reached the play offs and were decimated for the follow season
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Post by neilv93 on Nov 14, 2023 16:19:13 GMT
I've given this some deeper thought today and I think, following the Rotherham news and reading through this thread, I am convinced in my mind that we should absolutely be approaching Matt Taylor immediately. He almost entirely fits what the board are looking for.
- 41 years old, so young in manager's terms. - Experienced L2 promotion playing good football for an Exeter team that we know always do well to punch above their weight financially. - Solid start in L1 and then poached by Championship Rotherham, who he kept up. Yes, ultimately it didn't work out and naysayers will point to his 18% win record there (fair point) but the Millers are a yo-yo club with what must be a bottom three Championship budget whenever they are in that tier - so keeping them up last season was the achievement in itself. - 38.7% career win percentage in 282 games, fairly on par with the other frontrunner, Karl Robinson (40.9% from 694 games). - Former defender, so just generally making an assumption that that is a positive given our plethora of attacking options v our noticeably weaker backline. - Former Exeter, Bath, Cheltenham and Newport player/manager - safe to say he knows the area well and has spent a lot of time being settled in the West Country/Devon region. - From what I can tell, his move to Rotherham only saw his assistant, Wayne Carlisle, follow. From also what I can tell, Carlisle has not left Rotherham. I am making the assumption, again, that this means he is happy to work with our coaching staff, present and future, as per HAS' plan, be that Bondy, Whelan and/or Mangs himself.
Basically the only thing he 'lacks' is a L1 promotion, which is probably not a dealbreaker given Mangs doesn't boast that on his CV, neither does Monk and Robinson's promotion was 8.5 seasons ago.
He ticks all of my boxes, personally, and given we now have a sizeable international break following the Newport game tonight, I hope the board use this time to approach him to gage interest.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 16:19:22 GMT
Oxford again going for the successful manager in a job approach. We really have made a balls up of this, I’m just glad Mangs has settled the ship. But if he does the Garry Thompson job who the players wanted him to have the job as well, we can only blame ourselves. No plan, no idea of who to appoint, and for me you’d be an idiot joining us as a manager if you were already in a job. Imagine being interviewed by the ex CEO of Inter Milan, the ex Financial Controller of Man United and Faz who was England assistant manager under Keegan and Sven and Southgate at Boro……….and then us, ex Brighton marketing manager, new owners from Kuwait with Wael and the previous managers best mate in Jennings. When I see the no context Bristol rovers on Twitter bloke post, I really think he has it right most times We know you’ve got a view Roadman but you’re obsessed with celebrity and the Inter Milan connection at Oxford. Blimey, to listen to you about Oxford you’d think they were PL. They've had a good run, are doing well and have a chance of promotion. Will it happen? I’ve no idea but they are doing well. And considering the list of managers I’ve seen linked to the Oxford job I don’t think the process there is much different than the process with us. It’s as long as our list. Whoever we appoint I hope we do a more objective assessment than just looking at connections to Inter Milan or anywhere else. Why have we made a “balls up” of it? I reckon Mangan is doing a decent job, points on the board, players playing pretty well and as for the “no plan, no idea of who to appoint…” Just like me and the rest you’ve got no idea what conversations have been had. No different than the situation at Oxford. Some would say the owners have judged this pretty well. No idea but I guess time will tell though Mangan has done a decent job so far and Bond coming in appears a sensible move. Honestly Roadman, you do seem a bit obsessed with celebrity and who you know rather than the football. No worries because it’s usually entertaining and I do enjoy reading most of what you post. 👍👍👍 UTG! Honestly WTF are you on about, celebrity rubbish? ? The owner bought the club and he went and employed the best he could get to protect his business interests. His board has just delivered planning permission on a new ground, they are getting it. They pay Kassam £1 million rent a year, he takes all good and drink revenue at games, they also rent their training ground, their infrastructure has also brought them in over £13 million in player sales in the last 5 years. And on top of all this, they still lose the same as us, imagine if we were run like them, we’d break even!! Celebrity, he’s dealt with the highest levels of UEFA, they are in the champions league most seasons, he did transfer dealings with Jose Mourinho. I think you need to have a word with yourself pal before you start making statements about me like that. And you are now saying the club got it right re Mangs, what would you be saying if we lost on Saturday, they never knew he was going to go undefeated? And tell me I didn’t hear right when the owner said he wanted someone with Div1 experience and promotion on his CV?
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Post by pirate on Nov 14, 2023 16:30:41 GMT
May shock us all and appoint a foreign manager! It probably won't happen, but im hoping our search is extensive and we do our due diligence to include all options at home and abroad. The likes of Dick Schreuder, Habib Bèye, Willem Weijs, Thomas Wörle, Jan Sierksma, Fran Justo, Dani Vidal, Davide Possanzini and Oscar Hiljemark all highly-rated and doing good jobs.
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Post by neilv93 on Nov 14, 2023 16:41:33 GMT
May shock us all and appoint a foreign manager! It probably won't happen, but im hoping our search is extensive and we do our due diligence to include all options at home and abroad. The likes of Dick Schreuder, Habib Bèye, Willem Weijs, Thomas Wörle, Jan Sierksma, Fran Justo, Dani Vidal, Davide Possanzini and Oscar Hiljemark all highly-rated and doing good jobs. Funny you mention him as I was down a wikipedia hole the other day and ended up on his page. Seems, by all accounts, he's doing a solid job at Red Star (no, not that Red Star!), gradually progressing from the season before. Far too left field for us though.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 14, 2023 16:56:56 GMT
I've given this some deeper thought today and I think, following the Rotherham news and reading through this thread, I am convinced in my mind that we should absolutely be approaching Matt Taylor immediately. He almost entirely fits what the board are looking for. - 41 years old, so young in manager's terms. - Experienced L2 promotion playing good football for an Exeter team that we know always do well to punch above their weight financially. - Solid start in L1 and then poached by Championship Rotherham, who he kept up. Yes, ultimately it didn't work out and naysayers will point to his 18% win record there (fair point) but the Millers are a yo-yo club with what must be a bottom three Championship budget whenever they are in that tier - so keeping them up last season was the achievement in itself. - 38.7% career win percentage in 282 games, fairly on par with the other frontrunner, Karl Robinson (40.9% from 694 games). - Former defender, so just generally making an assumption that that is a positive given our plethora of attacking options v our noticeably weaker backline. - Former Exeter, Bath, Cheltenham and Newport player/manager - safe to say he knows the area well and has spent a lot of time being settled in the West Country/Devon region. - From what I can tell, his move to Rotherham only saw his assistant, Wayne Carlisle, follow. From also what I can tell, Carlisle has not left Rotherham. I am making the assumption, again, that this means he is happy to work with our coaching staff, present and future, as per HAS' plan, be that Bondy, Whelan and/or Mangs himself. Basically the only thing he 'lacks' is a L1 promotion, which is probably not a dealbreaker given Mangs doesn't boast that on his CV, neither does Monk and Robinson's promotion was 8.5 seasons ago. He ticks all of my boxes, personally, and given we now have a sizeable international break following the Newport game tonight, I hope the board use this time to approach him to gage interest. Apart from a solid start in L1 what has he actually achieve at this level to make him a better appointment than AM?
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Post by playtowin on Nov 14, 2023 17:11:50 GMT
Its obvious Monk has got the job but cant start until he has finished a few things he is contractually tied to doing. Expect him to be named in the next week.
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Post by Langford Gas on Nov 14, 2023 17:22:11 GMT
Has anyone considered with all the names linked to us since JB departed that some may have been interviewed and declined.
1. Salary may not be comensurate with the position or/and 2.The playing budget going forward may be cut or not enough
Just asking
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Post by wilkimania on Nov 14, 2023 17:41:49 GMT
Has anyone considered with all the names linked to us since JB departed that some may have been interviewed and declined. 1. Salary may not be comensurate with the position or/and 2.The playing budget going forward may be cut or not enough Just asking Similarly the names linked may be a smokescreen to keep their names in the zeitgeist and there's probably some names that haven't been mentioned on here that are being seriously considered. The fun of a managerial hunt from the outside is that we're relying on sources being accurate. Holloway for example talked to the club, then was waiting to talk to the club, then would be interested in talking to the club over the space of about 4 or 5 days depending on which sources you wanted to believe.
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Post by gashead987 on Nov 14, 2023 17:43:03 GMT
We know you’ve got a view Roadman but you’re obsessed with celebrity and the Inter Milan connection at Oxford. Blimey, to listen to you about Oxford you’d think they were PL. They've had a good run, are doing well and have a chance of promotion. Will it happen? I’ve no idea but they are doing well. And considering the list of managers I’ve seen linked to the Oxford job I don’t think the process there is much different than the process with us. It’s as long as our list. Whoever we appoint I hope we do a more objective assessment than just looking at connections to Inter Milan or anywhere else. Why have we made a “balls up” of it? I reckon Mangan is doing a decent job, points on the board, players playing pretty well and as for the “no plan, no idea of who to appoint…” Just like me and the rest you’ve got no idea what conversations have been had. No different than the situation at Oxford. Some would say the owners have judged this pretty well. No idea but I guess time will tell though Mangan has done a decent job so far and Bond coming in appears a sensible move. Honestly Roadman, you do seem a bit obsessed with celebrity and who you know rather than the football. No worries because it’s usually entertaining and I do enjoy reading most of what you post. 👍👍👍 UTG! Honestly WTF are you on about, celebrity rubbish? ? The owner bought the club and he went and employed the best he could get to protect his business interests. His board has just delivered planning permission on a new ground, they are getting it. They pay Kassam £1 million rent a year, he takes all good and drink revenue at games, they also rent their training ground, their infrastructure has also brought them in over £13 million in player sales in the last 5 years. And on top of all this, they still lose the same as us, imagine if we were run like them, we’d break even!! Celebrity, he’s dealt with the highest levels of UEFA, they are in the champions league most seasons, he did transfer dealings with Jose Mourinho. I think you need to have a word with yourself pal before you start making statements about me like that. And you are now saying the club got it right re Mangs, what would you be saying if we lost on Saturday, they never knew he was going to go undefeated? And tell me I didn’t hear right when the owner said he wanted someone with Div1 experience and promotion on his CV?
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Post by GasAttacK on Nov 14, 2023 17:43:28 GMT
I've given this some deeper thought today and I think, following the Rotherham news and reading through this thread, I am convinced in my mind that we should absolutely be approaching Matt Taylor immediately. He almost entirely fits what the board are looking for. - 41 years old, so young in manager's terms. - Experienced L2 promotion playing good football for an Exeter team that we know always do well to punch above their weight financially. - Solid start in L1 and then poached by Championship Rotherham, who he kept up. Yes, ultimately it didn't work out and naysayers will point to his 18% win record there (fair point) but the Millers are a yo-yo club with what must be a bottom three Championship budget whenever they are in that tier - so keeping them up last season was the achievement in itself. - 38.7% career win percentage in 282 games, fairly on par with the other frontrunner, Karl Robinson (40.9% from 694 games). - Former defender, so just generally making an assumption that that is a positive given our plethora of attacking options v our noticeably weaker backline. - Former Exeter, Bath, Cheltenham and Newport player/manager - safe to say he knows the area well and has spent a lot of time being settled in the West Country/Devon region. - From what I can tell, his move to Rotherham only saw his assistant, Wayne Carlisle, follow. From also what I can tell, Carlisle has not left Rotherham. I am making the assumption, again, that this means he is happy to work with our coaching staff, present and future, as per HAS' plan, be that Bondy, Whelan and/or Mangs himself. Basically the only thing he 'lacks' is a L1 promotion, which is probably not a dealbreaker given Mangs doesn't boast that on his CV, neither does Monk and Robinson's promotion was 8.5 seasons ago. He ticks all of my boxes, personally, and given we now have a sizeable international break following the Newport game tonight, I hope the board use this time to approach him to gage interest. Apart from a solid start in L1 what has he actually achieve at this level to make him a better appointment than AM? I don't think you can totally ignore Exeter's promotion from L2. Easily one of the best footballing sides I've seen at that level. Okay, that was L2, but Exeter were doing well in L1 when he was poached by Rotherham, and keeping The Millers in the Championship last season was an achievement considering their budget. He's got 5+ years managerial experience in L2, L1 and the Championship. What's Mangan done to deserve the job? A couple of scrappy, unconvincing wins against the 2 of the weakest sides in L1. I'd probably still edge towards Robinson, but I'd be fairly happy with Taylor or Monk.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Nov 14, 2023 17:45:06 GMT
Its obvious Monk has got the job but cant start until he has finished a few things he is contractually tied to doing. Expect him to be named in the next week. Fingers crossed
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Post by gashead987 on Nov 14, 2023 17:52:43 GMT
The Oxford financial situation is a bit frightening in my opinion. Even if they get planning permission, which they haven't got yet (just an option to buy the land subject to planning)they then have to build the stadium, which is currently budgeted at £100m! If they can borrow at 5%, then there's an interest cost of £5m a year, let alone paying the capital down. As Roadman says, their loss numbers match ours, but they've done well on transfer receipts, which might largely be down to their former chief scout/player spotter who has been poached by Derby. Were it not for that they would be dire. They have no ground to sell, no training ground, but yes there are a few good individuals there at the moment, but won't necessarily be there in 2 years time?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 17:52:54 GMT
Its obvious Monk has got the job but cant start until he has finished a few things he is contractually tied to doing. Expect him to be named in the next week. I suspect he’d be at evens if he’d been offered the job. Someone somewhere would have lumped.
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