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Post by albaron on Nov 14, 2023 17:54:37 GMT
Its obvious Monk has got the job but cant start until he has finished a few things he is contractually tied to doing. Expect him to be named in the next week. Would love that to be the case.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 18:14:25 GMT
The Oxford financial situation is a bit frightening in my opinion. Even if they get planning permission, which they haven't got yet (just an option to buy the land subject to planning)they then have to build the stadium, which is currently budgeted at £100m! If they can borrow at 5%, then there's an interest cost of £5m a year, let alone paying the capital down. As Roadman says, their loss numbers match ours, but they've done well on transfer receipts, which might largely be down to their former chief scout/player spotter who has been poached by Derby. Were it not for that they would be dire. They have no ground to sell, no training ground, but yes there are a few good individuals there at the moment, but won't necessarily be there in 2 years time? Oxford are being helped by the council, I’m sure they will need to borrow money to fund but their owner is very wealthy. I don’t see them losing their staff, they have been doing it at the shithole at the Kassam, they will want the new stadium on their CV’s. Let’s also not forget Exeter City’s fans, fan owned club have just built a new training ground or are doing it. Another club who have survived on player sales, a conveyer belt down there. You are right as well, they have no ground to sell, for me it makes it even more absurd that we do and we can’t even find something to look at building on, I mean Brentford did in the ULEZ zone of London!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 18:23:27 GMT
We have gone off route a bit debating how other clubs are run, Joey Barton was sacked 3 weeks ago and we are still on Vinted.
Other clubs are basically buying brand new and taking other managers! I’ve said Robinson is the best of the unemployed eBay/vinted managers, his CV relates to what the owner wants from a manager. But this is a bloke in my opinion on the scrap heap because of his personal life, he lost the changing and fan base, he’s not my first choice but I’d take him.
I hope we win tonight and Mangs is given the job, we can’t go into a month with a caretaker, we need to stop the uncertainty.
I was chatting to a friend today, the players wanted Trollope to get the job. I will worry about it when if and when it happens but Trollope was found out when he had to replace his senior pros he inherited, this will be a big test for Mangs as well in 6 months with Jennings as his support.
Win tonight, Mangs till end of the season, get 50 points and review, he might need to go in March if we are floundering around mid table and below, all about 50 points for him first
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Post by wallywalters on Nov 14, 2023 18:35:16 GMT
Apart from a solid start in L1 what has he actually achieve at this level to make him a better appointment than AM? I don't think you can totally ignore Exeter's promotion from L2. Easily one of the best footballing sides I've seen at that level. Okay, that was L2, but Exeter were doing well in L1 when he was poached by Rotherham, and keeping The Millers in the Championship last season was an achievement considering their budget. He's got 5+ years managerial experience in L2, L1 and the Championship. What's Mangan done to deserve the job? A couple of scrappy, unconvincing wins against the 2 of the weakest sides in L1. I'd probably still edge towards Robinson, but I'd be fairly happy with Taylor or Monk. I think that's an excellent take on the situation and matches my viewpoint. Before Barton was sacked I asked several times of the Barton out brigade who else then. No one could provide a name that was an improvement and after seeing this recruitment drive nothing screams out an improvement yet so he shouldn't have been sacked. However I agree that Robinson probably edges it based on previous league one performance but I'd be just as fine with monk or Taylor getting the job. Probably siding with Taylor slightly if push came to shove.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 14, 2023 18:39:09 GMT
Its obvious Monk has got the job but cant start until he has finished a few things he is contractually tied to doing. Expect him to be named in the next week. That obvious he's 6/1. Lump on.
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Post by RD on Nov 14, 2023 18:40:57 GMT
I don't think you can totally ignore Exeter's promotion from L2. Easily one of the best footballing sides I've seen at that level. Okay, that was L2, but Exeter were doing well in L1 when he was poached by Rotherham, and keeping The Millers in the Championship last season was an achievement considering their budget. He's got 5+ years managerial experience in L2, L1 and the Championship. What's Mangan done to deserve the job? A couple of scrappy, unconvincing wins against the 2 of the weakest sides in L1. I'd probably still edge towards Robinson, but I'd be fairly happy with Taylor or Monk. I think that's an excellent take on the situation and matches my viewpoint. Before Barton was sacked I asked several times of the Barton out brigade who else then. No one could provide a name that was an improvement and after seeing this recruitment drive nothing screams out an improvement yet so he shouldn't have been sacked. However I agree that Robinson probably edges it based on previous league one performance but I'd be just as fine with monk or Taylor getting the job. Probably siding with Taylor slightly if push came to shove. Just about anyone would be an improvement. They've got to improve on about 1.07ppg ffs. My dog could probably do it.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 14, 2023 18:52:38 GMT
I don't think you can totally ignore Exeter's promotion from L2. Easily one of the best footballing sides I've seen at that level. Okay, that was L2, but Exeter were doing well in L1 when he was poached by Rotherham, and keeping The Millers in the Championship last season was an achievement considering their budget. He's got 5+ years managerial experience in L2, L1 and the Championship. What's Mangan done to deserve the job? A couple of scrappy, unconvincing wins against the 2 of the weakest sides in L1. I'd probably still edge towards Robinson, but I'd be fairly happy with Taylor or Monk. I think that's an excellent take on the situation and matches my viewpoint. Before Barton was sacked I asked several times of the Barton out brigade who else then. No one could provide a name that was an improvement and after seeing this recruitment drive nothing screams out an improvement yet so he shouldn't have been sacked. However I agree that Robinson probably edges it based on previous league one performance but I'd be just as fine with monk or Taylor getting the job. Probably siding with Taylor slightly if push came to shove. The fact we've, slightly?, improved since JB went and also immediately brought back KB, suggests JB had lost his way. Not sure why we always seem to find it far to appoint a decent manager, if we genuinely were going to spend £1m on JCH surely some of that money could now be spent on recruiting an in demand manager not one desperate looking for a job? Given that Mangs has put out a strong side tonight you have to sense he's still in with a chance of getting the job.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Nov 14, 2023 18:57:45 GMT
I don't think you can totally ignore Exeter's promotion from L2. Easily one of the best footballing sides I've seen at that level. Okay, that was L2, but Exeter were doing well in L1 when he was poached by Rotherham, and keeping The Millers in the Championship last season was an achievement considering their budget. He's got 5+ years managerial experience in L2, L1 and the Championship. What's Mangan done to deserve the job? A couple of scrappy, unconvincing wins against the 2 of the weakest sides in L1. I'd probably still edge towards Robinson, but I'd be fairly happy with Taylor or Monk. No one could provide a name that was an improvement and after seeing this recruitment drive nothing screams out an improvement yet so he shouldn't have been sacked. There’d been one public outburst too many from JB as far as some of our more established and senior players were concerned (from a parent of one of these players). Presumably the owners felt this way too. His results weren’t great but his mouth got him sacked (regardless of what the owner says). Also, based on past records, surely Robinson is an improvement on Barton? (A L1 promotion, a season managing in the Championship and two L1 Play Off finishes)
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Post by eric on Nov 14, 2023 19:01:20 GMT
Its obvious Monk has got the job but cant start until he has finished a few things he is contractually tied to doing. Expect him to be named in the next week. What makes you say it’s obvious? Is that based on insider information?
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 14, 2023 19:10:37 GMT
We know you’ve got a view Roadman but you’re obsessed with celebrity and the Inter Milan connection at Oxford. Blimey, to listen to you about Oxford you’d think they were PL. They've had a good run, are doing well and have a chance of promotion. Will it happen? I’ve no idea but they are doing well. And considering the list of managers I’ve seen linked to the Oxford job I don’t think the process there is much different than the process with us. It’s as long as our list. Whoever we appoint I hope we do a more objective assessment than just looking at connections to Inter Milan or anywhere else. Why have we made a “balls up” of it? I reckon Mangan is doing a decent job, points on the board, players playing pretty well and as for the “no plan, no idea of who to appoint…” Just like me and the rest you’ve got no idea what conversations have been had. No different than the situation at Oxford. Some would say the owners have judged this pretty well. No idea but I guess time will tell though Mangan has done a decent job so far and Bond coming in appears a sensible move. Honestly Roadman, you do seem a bit obsessed with celebrity and who you know rather than the football. No worries because it’s usually entertaining and I do enjoy reading most of what you post. 👍👍👍 UTG! Honestly WTF are you on about, celebrity rubbish? ? The owner bought the club and he went and employed the best he could get to protect his business interests. His board has just delivered planning permission on a new ground, they are getting it. They pay Kassam £1 million rent a year, he takes all good and drink revenue at games, they also rent their training ground, their infrastructure has also brought them in over £13 million in player sales in the last 5 years. And on top of all this, they still lose the same as us, imagine if we were run like them, we’d break even!! Celebrity, he’s dealt with the highest levels of UEFA, they are in the champions league most seasons, he did transfer dealings with Jose Mourinho. I think you need to have a word with yourself pal before you start making statements about me like that. And you are now saying the club got it right re Mangs, what would you be saying if we lost on Saturday, they never knew he was going to go undefeated? And tell me I didn’t hear right when the owner said he wanted someone with Div1 experience and promotion on his CV? Having sacked JB then of course they had to replace and I’d say that with Mangan they did it ok. 3 wins, 1 draw. And if he’d lost all the games or even Saturday then it might have been a different reaction. Of course. But it’s a silly argument isn’t it, he didn’t lose on Saturday he won. If we hadn’t beaten Scunthorpe …… If Lee B hadn’t scored a last minute winner v D&R…. If Mansell hadn’t score that pen…. But they all did, thankfully and Andy M has done well in the short term. So yes we got it right in the short term. Whether he’s the man long term who knows but I see you’ve just said if he wins tonight he should get the job. So you think he’s done a good job as well? And I won’t be “having a word with myself…” I post on what I see and read and your obsession with Oxford as a model is clear. Anyway let’s hope for a win tonight and progression in the cup, albeit not a major one.
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Post by wallywalters on Nov 14, 2023 19:11:29 GMT
I guess wel see if the next manager is an improvement be that Robinson or whoever.
I'm not reading anything into recent results Improving I personally think we'd have got those with Barton manager or not.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 19:28:44 GMT
Honestly WTF are you on about, celebrity rubbish? ? The owner bought the club and he went and employed the best he could get to protect his business interests. His board has just delivered planning permission on a new ground, they are getting it. They pay Kassam £1 million rent a year, he takes all good and drink revenue at games, they also rent their training ground, their infrastructure has also brought them in over £13 million in player sales in the last 5 years. And on top of all this, they still lose the same as us, imagine if we were run like them, we’d break even!! Celebrity, he’s dealt with the highest levels of UEFA, they are in the champions league most seasons, he did transfer dealings with Jose Mourinho. I think you need to have a word with yourself pal before you start making statements about me like that. And you are now saying the club got it right re Mangs, what would you be saying if we lost on Saturday, they never knew he was going to go undefeated? And tell me I didn’t hear right when the owner said he wanted someone with Div1 experience and promotion on his CV? Having sacked JB then of course they had to replace and I’d say that with Mangan they did it ok. 3 wins, 1 draw. And if he’d lost all the games or even Saturday then it might have been a different reaction. Of course. But it’s a silly argument isn’t it, he didn’t lose on Saturday he won. If we hadn’t beaten Scunthorpe …… If Lee B hadn’t scored a last minute winner v D&R…. If Mansell hadn’t score that pen…. But they all did, thankfully and Andy M has done well in the short term. So yes we got it right in the short term. Whether he’s the man long term who knows but I see you’ve just said if he wins tonight he should get the job. So you think he’s done a good job as well? And I won’t be “having a word with myself…” I post on what I see and read and your obsession with Oxford as a model is clear. Anyway let’s hope for a win tonight and progression in the cup, albeit not a major one. I’m not looking for a row, it’s now and obsession but earlier I was told I was into celebrity status and then I replied with a reasoned argument that the owner decided to employ the very best he could find to protect his investment, there is nothing celebrity fantasy about this. I will remind you when Wael bought the club, he brought in several people to join the board/consultants to help protect his purchase, one was the ex CEO of Wembley who built that new stadium, these all left quietly when the UWE was pulled. I know a lot about Oxford living up here, like the Gasheads living in Bristol, I hear continually about their business ideas and moves, right now they are going in right direction and one I wish we were. I think Mangs has done well and I’ve publicly said on this thread to give him the job. But it’s clear we never had a plan when we sacked Barton, if we lost today there would be outcry for a new outside manager. I hope we win tonight, I am not obsessed with celebrities in football, I like people with good experience and cv’s working for the club. I am not adverse to on the job training like the club Secretary we had for 19 years until Jennings sacked him. But when you have an ex marketing manager of Brighton and a golf club shop manager putting a planning application for a new stand, you wonder why we don’t get the application passed. Give me ex senior people from top major European sides employed by us any day of the week, nothing Heat/OKMagazine here ☺️
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 14, 2023 19:41:23 GMT
Having sacked JB then of course they had to replace and I’d say that with Mangan they did it ok. 3 wins, 1 draw. And if he’d lost all the games or even Saturday then it might have been a different reaction. Of course. But it’s a silly argument isn’t it, he didn’t lose on Saturday he won. If we hadn’t beaten Scunthorpe …… If Lee B hadn’t scored a last minute winner v D&R…. If Mansell hadn’t score that pen…. But they all did, thankfully and Andy M has done well in the short term. So yes we got it right in the short term. Whether he’s the man long term who knows but I see you’ve just said if he wins tonight he should get the job. So you think he’s done a good job as well? And I won’t be “having a word with myself…” I post on what I see and read and your obsession with Oxford as a model is clear. Anyway let’s hope for a win tonight and progression in the cup, albeit not a major one. I’m not looking for a row, it’s now and obsession but earlier I was told I was into celebrity status and then I replied with a reasoned argument that the owner decided to employ the very best he could find to protect his investment, there is nothing celebrity fantasy about this. I will remind you when Wael bought the club, he brought in several people to join the board/consultants to help protect his purchase, one was the ex CEO of Wembley who built that new stadium, these all left quietly when the UWE was pulled. I know a lot about Oxford living up here, like the Gasheads living in Bristol, I hear continually about their business ideas and moves, right now they are going in right direction and one I wish we were. I think Mangs has done well and I’ve publicly said on this thread to give him the job. But it’s clear we never had a plan when we sacked Barton, if we lost today there would be outcry for a new outside manager. I hope we win tonight, I am not obsessed with celebrities in football, I like people with good experience and cv’s working for the club. I am not adverse to on the job training like the club Secretary we had for 19 years until Jennings sacked him. But when you have an ex marketing manager of Brighton and a golf club shop manager putting a planning application for a new stand, you wonder why we don’t get the application passed. Give me ex senior people from top major European sides employed by us any day of the week, nothing Heat/OKMagazine here ☺️ Give the new co-owners time and they may eventually sort out the mess created by your mate Wael, as they say Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Post by oldie on Nov 14, 2023 19:49:06 GMT
I’m not looking for a row, it’s now and obsession but earlier I was told I was into celebrity status and then I replied with a reasoned argument that the owner decided to employ the very best he could find to protect his investment, there is nothing celebrity fantasy about this. I will remind you when Wael bought the club, he brought in several people to join the board/consultants to help protect his purchase, one was the ex CEO of Wembley who built that new stadium, these all left quietly when the UWE was pulled. I know a lot about Oxford living up here, like the Gasheads living in Bristol, I hear continually about their business ideas and moves, right now they are going in right direction and one I wish we were. I think Mangs has done well and I’ve publicly said on this thread to give him the job. But it’s clear we never had a plan when we sacked Barton, if we lost today there would be outcry for a new outside manager. I hope we win tonight, I am not obsessed with celebrities in football, I like people with good experience and cv’s working for the club. I am not adverse to on the job training like the club Secretary we had for 19 years until Jennings sacked him. But when you have an ex marketing manager of Brighton and a golf club shop manager putting a planning application for a new stand, you wonder why we don’t get the application passed. Give me ex senior people from top major European sides employed by us any day of the week, nothing Heat/OKMagazine here ☺️ Give the new co-owners time and they may eventually sort out the mess created by your mate Wael, as they say Rome wasn't built in a day. Time is fine when working to a plan. Are they?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 20:01:07 GMT
A plan would be…………
We want a manager who help us build from bottom to top, using the academy etc - Matt Taylor
We want a manager with Div1 experience and a promotion to the championship, the owners words - Karl Robinson, offered the to Neil Harris
We want an up and coming manager - Kevin Maher was of interest
We want an experienced old pro - Ian Holloway
We will talk to ex Premiership and Championship managers - Gary Monk
We will give the caretaker manager a run to prove himself - Mangs
I’m struggling to see the plan, perhaps we will know in the morning
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 14, 2023 20:06:33 GMT
Give the new co-owners time and they may eventually sort out the mess created by your mate Wael, as they say Rome wasn't built in a day. Time is fine when working to a plan. Are they? Like you I've no idea but at least they seem to have been more professional than Wael was when it came to 🤞 resolving the planning issues.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 14, 2023 20:07:52 GMT
A plan would be………… We want a manager who help us build from bottom to top, using the academy etc - Matt Taylor We want a manager with Div1 experience and a promotion to the championship, the owners words - Karl Robinson, offered the to Neil Harris We want an up and coming manager - Kevin Maher was of interest We want an experienced old pro - Ian Holloway We will talk to ex Premiership and Championship managers - Gary Monk We will give the caretaker manager a run to prove himself - Mangs I’m struggling to see the plan, perhaps we will know in the morning They are clearly doing the last one at the moment?
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Post by oldie on Nov 14, 2023 20:12:20 GMT
Time is fine when working to a plan. Are they? Like you I've no idea but at least they seem to have been more professional than Wael was when it came to 🤞 resolving the planning issues. Being less stupid and less operationally incompetent is not a plan
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 20:12:35 GMT
Yes Topper which tells you we never had a plan from the start!
And I say this because the Reading performance was pretty dire, if you had your plan, it would have been, we’ve given Andy a go, tonight wasn’t that promising, offer it to Robinson in the morning.
That Reading performance was your chance to bring in your stand out candidate, I’m telling you, no one has stood out like a glowing star because he’d have been in from basically the start.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 14, 2023 20:24:49 GMT
We have gone off route a bit debating how other clubs are run, Joey Barton was sacked 3 weeks ago and we are still on Vinted. Other clubs are basically buying brand new and taking other managers! I’ve said Robinson is the best of the unemployed eBay/vinted managers, his CV relates to what the owner wants from a manager. But this is a bloke in my opinion on the scrap heap because of his personal life, he lost the changing and fan base, he’s not my first choice but I’d take him. I hope we win tonight and Mangs is given the job, we can’t go into a month with a caretaker, we need to stop the uncertainty. I was chatting to a friend today, the players wanted Trollope to get the job. I will worry about it when if and when it happens but Trollope was found out when he had to replace his senior pros he inherited, this will be a big test for Mangs as well in 6 months with Jennings as his support. Win tonight, Mangs till end of the season, get 50 points and review, he might need to go in March if we are floundering around mid table and below, all about 50 points for him first Nothing wrong with Vinted, I quite like it 😁
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