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Post by baggins on Nov 15, 2023 13:08:44 GMT
If a Manager was available who had the same stats as Mangan over the last what, 5 games since Barton left we'd all be saying he's the man for us. So why not just give it to him, see what he can do?
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Post by DrFaustus on Nov 15, 2023 13:13:25 GMT
This thread reads like an Oxford and Exter love in. Two dreadful places. 👍
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Post by Rovers 12th Man on Nov 15, 2023 13:21:30 GMT
If a Manager was available who had the same stats as Mangan over the last what, 5 games since Barton left we'd all be saying he's the man for us. So why not just give it to him, see what he can do? Because for me it is not just about stats, it is also about the quality of the opposition and the performances. It doesn't matter if it was Mangan or someone else with those stats, the performances against the standard of opposition for me, has not been good enough. Replicate those performances over an entire season and against every side in the league then I fear we would be in a relegation battle. Last night, we had an almost full strength team out and we could only just beat a massively struggling L2 side. The performances against Reading and Carlisle were also pretty bad, as was the second half against Northampton. Only the FA Cup win has been convincing and with the standard of Whitby (no disrespect to them at all), did anyone expect anything else?
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Post by eric on Nov 15, 2023 13:26:43 GMT
If a Manager was available who had the same stats as Mangan over the last what, 5 games since Barton left we'd all be saying he's the man for us. So why not just give it to him, see what he can do? I don’t think we’d all be saying “he’s the man for us” if a potential candidates only managerial experience was 5 games as a Caretaker Manager. If the season was effectively over and mid table safety was guaranteed (i.e in the final months of the season) then fair enough let AM have it until the end of season but there is too much to play for in a pretty open division and the right, experienced appointment and fresh approach could still deliver a promotion.
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Post by baggins on Nov 15, 2023 13:28:31 GMT
If a Manager was available who had the same stats as Mangan over the last what, 5 games since Barton left we'd all be saying he's the man for us. So why not just give it to him, see what he can do? Because for me it is not just about stats, it is also about the quality of the opposition and the performances. It doesn't matter if it was Mangan or someone else with those stats, the performances against the standard of opposition for me, has not been good enough. Replicate those performances over an entire season and against every side in the league then I fear we would be in a relegation battle. Last night, we had an almost full strength team out and we could only just beat a massively struggling L2 side. The performances against Reading and Carlisle were also pretty bad, as was the second half against Northampton. Only the FA Cup win has been convincing and with the standard of Whitby (no disrespect to them at all), did anyone expect anything else? So unless under Mangan we beat any Team in the top 10 the results aren't worth a thing and we need a new Manager?
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Post by baggins on Nov 15, 2023 13:29:53 GMT
If a Manager was available who had the same stats as Mangan over the last what, 5 games since Barton left we'd all be saying he's the man for us. So why not just give it to him, see what he can do? I don’t think we’d all be saying “he’s the man for us” if a potential candidates only managerial experience was 5 games as a Caretaker Manager. If the season was effectively over and mid table safety was guaranteed (i.e in the final months of the season) then fair enough let AM have it until the end of season but there is too much to play for in a pretty open division and the right, experienced appointment and fresh approach could still deliver a promotion. Could still. Could also make the squad fall apart and we battle relegation, again.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 15, 2023 13:30:58 GMT
If a Manager was available who had the same stats as Mangan over the last what, 5 games since Barton left we'd all be saying he's the man for us. So why not just give it to him, see what he can do? I don’t think we’d all be saying “he’s the man for us” if a potential candidates only managerial experience was 5 games as a Caretaker Manager. If the season was effectively over and mid table safety was guaranteed (i.e in the final months of the season) then fair enough let AM have it until the end of season but there is too much to play for in a pretty open division and the right, experienced appointment and fresh approach could still deliver a promotion. Plus I dont think the owners would sack Barton for the sake of someone else leading us to a midtable finish. They will want whoever is put in charge to be at least challenging for the play offs, and unless the performances improve I dont think that is Mangan.
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Post by buktaboy on Nov 15, 2023 13:31:05 GMT
When the owners gave Joey the heave ho they said it was because they thought the team should be in a league place comparable with their top-8 financial outlay.
So, for me, the question they owners should be asking is an easy one. Which of the candidates seen, including Mangan, is most likely to get this team into the top 8 this season and, going forward, is up to shaping a team for serious promotion push next season.
While I like Mangan, I can't really see how he's the answer to that question. It has to be Robinson. Monk is obviously also well qualified but can't see him being totally committed with his other football business interests. Matt Taylor would be ideal too, but think he's unlikely as think the timing of his sacking may have come too late during the process sadly.
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Post by Rovers 12th Man on Nov 15, 2023 13:31:54 GMT
Because for me it is not just about stats, it is also about the quality of the opposition and the performances. It doesn't matter if it was Mangan or someone else with those stats, the performances against the standard of opposition for me, has not been good enough. Replicate those performances over an entire season and against every side in the league then I fear we would be in a relegation battle. Last night, we had an almost full strength team out and we could only just beat a massively struggling L2 side. The performances against Reading and Carlisle were also pretty bad, as was the second half against Northampton. Only the FA Cup win has been convincing and with the standard of Whitby (no disrespect to them at all), did anyone expect anything else? So unless under Mangan we beat any Team in the top 10 the results aren't worth a thing and we need a new Manager? Nope, not at all. If we had looked a good side against the teams we had faced then I would be a lot more inclined to give Mangan the job. What I am trying to say is, under Mangan, it has been several very below par performances against very average opposition which has made the Mangan results look better than I personally think they are.
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Post by pudseygas on Nov 15, 2023 13:54:22 GMT
So unless under Mangan we beat any Team in the top 10 the results aren't worth a thing and we need a new Manager? Nope, not at all. If we had looked a good side against the teams we had faced then I would be a lot more inclined to give Mangan the job. What I am trying to say is, under Mangan, it has been several very below par performances against very average opposition which has made the Mangan results look better than I personally think they are. Exactly this. Scraping results against weak opposition. Its not the way forward and no improvement on before, I don't know why the Mangan in crowd can't see this. It's a recipe for disaster and will lead to a season of struggle unless he can really change things up, which on the last few games showing, he can't do. I want an experienced manager who knows how to get us playing attractive and attacking football. Not a rookie who's learnt everything from the previous (sacked) manager
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 15, 2023 13:58:55 GMT
Nope, not at all. If we had looked a good side against the teams we had faced then I would be a lot more inclined to give Mangan the job. What I am trying to say is, under Mangan, it has been several very below par performances against very average opposition which has made the Mangan results look better than I personally think they are. Exactly this. Scraping results against weak opposition. Its not the way forward and no improvement on before, I don't know why the Mangan in crowd can't see this. It's a recipe for disaster and will lead to a season of struggle unless he can really change things up, which on the last few games showing, he can't do. I want an experienced manager who knows how to get us playing attractive and attacking football. Not a rookie who's learnt everything from the previous (sacked) manager Its probably why Barton got sacked when he did as the new owners saw there were more favourable games coming up and wanted him out while form was poor. Unsure why they didnt do it after Burton though, probably thought Stevenage would turn us over at home and fans would favour his dismissal even more
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Post by GasAttacK on Nov 15, 2023 13:59:20 GMT
If a Manager was available who had the same stats as Mangan over the last what, 5 games since Barton left we'd all be saying he's the man for us. So why not just give it to him, see what he can do? Because for me it is not just about stats, it is also about the quality of the opposition and the performances. It doesn't matter if it was Mangan or someone else with those stats, the performances against the standard of opposition for me, has not been good enough. Replicate those performances over an entire season and against every side in the league then I fear we would be in a relegation battle. Last night, we had an almost full strength team out and we could only just beat a massively struggling L2 side. The performances against Reading and Carlisle were also pretty bad, as was the second half against Northampton. Only the FA Cup win has been convincing and with the standard of Whitby (no disrespect to them at all), did anyone expect anything else? Absoltely spot on. Northampton and Carlisle 1 win in 7. Reading no win from their last 9 in L1. Part time Whitby & 20th in L2 Newport who have an injury crisis. With the exception of Whitby we've been far from convincing in any of those games. Northampton missed the easiest 2 chances of the game and on the balance of play deserved at least a draw. Carlisle had 10 more shots, 10 more corners & scored an own goal. We managed just 6 attempts on goal & zero corners. The truth is we've been lucky. We wouldn't have beat Northampton if they'd scored either of their glorious chances and we wouldn't have beat Carlisle if they hadn't scored an own goal. We didn't look like adding to our lead in either game and spent the second half of both matches under constant pressure. If that's how we've performed against some of the weakest sides in L1 & below, I think we'd struggle to pick up any points against sides in the top half. I'd be more concerned about reaching the magic 50 than making the play offs if Mangan is given the job.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 15, 2023 14:27:02 GMT
If a Manager was available who had the same stats as Mangan over the last what, 5 games since Barton left we'd all be saying he's the man for us. So why not just give it to him, see what he can do? I think a result against a load of carpenters and electricians and the Newport youth team can be discounted. Reading and Carlisle are in the bottom 4 and we didnt look great against them. That said if this is what we look like all tightened up at the back and grinding out results then Im all for it. Much better than champaign losing calling the oppositon poor winners. I think the board have put themselves in a corner here a bit.
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Post by baggins on Nov 15, 2023 14:59:14 GMT
If a Manager was available who had the same stats as Mangan over the last what, 5 games since Barton left we'd all be saying he's the man for us. So why not just give it to him, see what he can do? I think a result against a load of carpenters and electricians and the Newport youth team can be discounted. Reading and Carlisle are in the bottom 4 and we didnt look great against them. That said if this is what we look like all tightened up at the back and grinding out results then Im all for it. Much better than champaign losing calling the oppositon poor winners. I think the board have put themselves in a corner here a bit. Of all the available Managers, haven' they all been sacked for not getting results? We really want a Manager who doesn't have a win rate, regardless of whom against, less than Mangan?
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Post by yattongas on Nov 15, 2023 15:12:28 GMT
I don’t think we’d all be saying “he’s the man for us” if a potential candidates only managerial experience was 5 games as a Caretaker Manager. If the season was effectively over and mid table safety was guaranteed (i.e in the final months of the season) then fair enough let AM have it until the end of season but there is too much to play for in a pretty open division and the right, experienced appointment and fresh approach could still deliver a promotion. Plus I dont think the owners would sack Barton for the sake of someone else leading us to a midtable finish. They will want whoever is put in charge to be at least challenging for the play offs, and unless the performances improve I dont think that is Mangan. Exactly, they sacked Barton because they expected a promotion push this season. If they’re to just write off this season, why sack him ?
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Post by eric on Nov 15, 2023 15:22:49 GMT
I don’t think we’d all be saying “he’s the man for us” if a potential candidates only managerial experience was 5 games as a Caretaker Manager. If the season was effectively over and mid table safety was guaranteed (i.e in the final months of the season) then fair enough let AM have it until the end of season but there is too much to play for in a pretty open division and the right, experienced appointment and fresh approach could still deliver a promotion. Could still. Could also make the squad fall apart and we battle relegation, again. The gamble is far less in appointing someone with experience than someone who has never worked with the pressure of being a permanent football manager. Like I’ve said numerous times in the past three weeks this is no time for experimental gambles as this season still holds great opportunities for us - there really is nothing to be afraid of in this division and a promotion is very achievable with the right appointment.
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Post by oliverhelmet on Nov 15, 2023 15:35:15 GMT
If a Manager was available who had the same stats as Mangan over the last what, 5 games since Barton left we'd all be saying he's the man for us. So why not just give it to him, see what he can do? I think a result against a load of carpenters and electricians and the Newport youth team can be discounted. Reading and Carlisle are in the bottom 4 and we didnt look great against them. That said if this is what we look like all tightened up at the back and grinding out results then Im all for it. Much better than champaign losing calling the oppositon poor winners. I think the board have put themselves in a corner here a bit.Agreed,wouldn’t like to be in their shoes right now.
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Post by pucklegas on Nov 15, 2023 15:53:13 GMT
The more I think about it Paul Cook would be my number 1 choice, and Matt Taylor number 2, Cook has great knowledge of non league and lower league players, Matt played attractive football at Exeter, worked under a tight budget, and brought on the youth.
The results Mangers has had have been excellent, just not sure against the opposition which have been poor in most cases.
Appointments are hit and miss, so nervy times for the board, it needs to be the right one.
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Post by pirate on Nov 15, 2023 16:31:16 GMT
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Post by baggins on Nov 15, 2023 17:32:16 GMT
Could still. Could also make the squad fall apart and we battle relegation, again. The gamble is far less in appointing someone with experience than someone who has never worked with the pressure of being a permanent football manager. Like I’ve said numerous times in the past three weeks this is no time for experimental gambles as this season still holds great opportunities for us - there really is nothing to be afraid of in this division and a promotion is very achievable with the right appointment. Your new Manager appointment could cost £100,000's. New Manager or a new Striker and Midfielder?
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