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Post by pirate on Nov 16, 2023 13:02:10 GMT
The best football in the second half of that League Two season was played by us IMHO. He did a good job at Exeter, but I just think it was the right fit with him at the club. We have been unlucky when injuries too, will he be able to cope with that better here? I look at his signings this summer and I'm not impressed. He's got a good win percentage at Exeter in League Two because he did a good job, but unproven at this level and doesn't have a great record at the level above. Couldn't find solutions to change away form at Rotherham with zero wins in the past year, this season conceding an average of 2 goals a game with just two wins from their 16 league games and leaves with a 20% win percentage, a PPM of 0.90 and a minus 38 goal difference. Exeter were in the top half of League 1 when he left. Even in the 2nd half of the season when we were doing well, they were one of the teams we couldn't beat at the mem. He said how sad he was to leave Exeter as he had a new born son and liked the area etc. He might be more settled in the South West and get back to what he does best. His team played attacking football, he got the best out of his players and helped to bring youngsters through. He's not experienced promotion at this level, but he's not had a chance to yet! Living in Cornwall, Plymouth fans were happy to see him leave Exeter. That says a lot. Only in charge for 11 games at this level. As I said, unproven. I just don't think it is a significant upgrade and worth getting rid of the previous manager for, especially after allowing him to bring in 12 players this summer (including around 300k for Taylor) and then Chris Martin a month before he was sacked. Taylor doesn't fit the profile that the new owner spoke about, but then again the new owner didn't exactly seem very coherent in what he wanted.
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 16, 2023 13:04:46 GMT
Why? If id spent 4 weeks interviewing and no one seemed the right fit to work for me, i'd much rather look for new entrants in the job market than just accept one of the already interview as "they'll have to do" People are to quick to criticise a process they have no real sight of. Just guesswork and conjecture. Feck me Percy this is Rovers not Real Madrid, to much fecking around here we should have made a decision by now. We may as well stick with Mangs until the summer. I can understand you saying that if we were struggling. But we have been winning, so there has been no rush? Why appoint the wrong person, just because we are Rovers?? I'm not sure why fans would rather appoint anyone, than take their time and speak to better candidates if they become available.
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Post by wilkimania on Nov 16, 2023 13:06:13 GMT
So depending on which poster I choose to believe on here, the board is either too picky and should lower their expectations and just hire someone or the boards expectations aren't high enough and we're just hiring anyone.
Safe to say none of us have a clue what's going on then?
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Post by rovers78 on Nov 16, 2023 13:07:51 GMT
Why? If id spent 4 weeks interviewing and no one seemed the right fit to work for me, i'd much rather look for new entrants in the job market than just accept one of the already interview as "they'll have to do" People are to quick to criticise a process they have no real sight of. Just guesswork and conjecture. My concern is that do the owners really know what they want or are they just hoping they’ll know once that person is sat in front of them and impresses? Absolutely this 4 weeks on and they’re still interviewing new people to the role? They clearly don’t have a clear plan or idea
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Post by GasAttacK on Nov 16, 2023 13:10:33 GMT
I'd be happy with Taylor.
I'm not worried that he has limited experience managing in L1. His Exeter side that won promotion from L2 would have been good enough to finish in the top half of L1 in my opinion. That's backed up by the start they made that season before he left for Rotherham.
There isn't that much difference between the leagues and the quality of football that side played was better than many sides in L1 anyway.
His record at Rotherham isn't great, but as others have said, keeping them up last season was a good achievement because they've always struggled at that level. Last seasons finish was their best in 18 years.
Reading the Bristol Live article, it seems to suggest Monk is still very much in the running and Mangan is still a possibility. However, it looks like they've decided against Robinson.
Hopefully we get somebody in by next Monday to give them a week working with the sqaud before our next game at Derby.
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 16, 2023 13:11:08 GMT
Exeter were in the top half of League 1 when he left. Even in the 2nd half of the season when we were doing well, they were one of the teams we couldn't beat at the mem. He said how sad he was to leave Exeter as he had a new born son and liked the area etc. He might be more settled in the South West and get back to what he does best. His team played attacking football, he got the best out of his players and helped to bring youngsters through. He's not experienced promotion at this level, but he's not had a chance to yet! Living in Cornwall, Plymouth fans were happy to see him leave Exeter. That says a lot. Only in charge for 11 games at this level. As I said, unproven. I just don't think it is a significant upgrade and worth getting rid of the previous manager for, especially after allowing him to bring in 12 players this summer (including around 300k for Taylor) and then Chris Martin a month before he was sacked. Taylor doesn't fit the profile that the new owner spoke about, but then again the new owner didn't exactly seem very coherent in what he wanted. You wanted Garner before, who was never tested at any level. But now 11 games isn't enough, even though he had success in League 2. Yes it was a league below, but Exeter still over achieved. I know a few Exeter fans who rate him highly.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Nov 16, 2023 13:11:22 GMT
My concern is that do the owners really know what they want or are they just hoping they’ll know once that person is sat in front of them and impresses? Absolutely this 4 weeks on and they’re still interviewing new people to the role? They clearly don’t have a clear plan or idea Nor does anyone on here.
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Post by gasmania on Nov 16, 2023 13:15:11 GMT
Dan Hargreaves was hinting there would be news this week . I think he was just guessing. It was Darren Whitcoop, that I saw say it. He has worked for national papers etc, but I'm not sure how accurate his information is at the moment. He also mentioned Neil Lennon, ex Celtic.
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Post by heartofgas on Nov 16, 2023 13:17:00 GMT
Are we any closer to knowing who it may be? You would have thought the start of the international break would be a good time to get someone in, if we're not going with the incumbent.
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Post by baggins on Nov 16, 2023 13:46:28 GMT
Why? If id spent 4 weeks interviewing and no one seemed the right fit to work for me, i'd much rather look for new entrants in the job market than just accept one of the already interview as "they'll have to do" People are to quick to criticise a process they have no real sight of. Just guesswork and conjecture. My concern is that do the owners really know what they want or are they just hoping they’ll know once that person is sat in front of them and impresses? They've already said what they want and if that means waiting for the right one then so be it. In the meantime Mangan is getting the results.
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Post by discodave on Nov 16, 2023 13:47:19 GMT
Absolutely this 4 weeks on and they’re still interviewing new people to the role? They clearly don’t have a clear plan or idea Nor does anyone on here. Been saying it for weeks ! amateurs
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Post by baggins on Nov 16, 2023 13:48:10 GMT
Been saying it for weeks ! amateurs The new owners?
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Post by GasAttacK on Nov 16, 2023 13:58:33 GMT
Maybe they were close to making a decision but after Taylor was sacked on Sunday, assuming he was interested, they decided they wanted to speak to him first.
As long as we make the appointment by next Monday, Tuesday at the latest, it will still give the new manager a week to preapre for Derby.
From what Mangan said it sounded like the players were being given Friday, Saturday & Sunday off anyway.
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Post by Gaswood on Nov 16, 2023 14:00:47 GMT
It was Darren Whitcoop, that I saw say it. He has worked for national papers etc, but I'm not sure how accurate his information is at the moment. He also mentioned Neil Lennon, ex Celtic. His win percentages should keep the statistics brigade happy. 😜
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2023 14:02:58 GMT
Maybe they were close to making a decision but after Taylor was sacked on Sunday, assuming he was interested, they decided they wanted to speak to him first. As long as we make the appointment by next Monday, Tuesday at the latest, it will still give the new manager a week to preapre for Derby. From what Mangan said it sounded like the players were being given Friday, Saturday & Sunday off anyway. no time off. Should be at the mem putting the seats in the new stand.
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Post by singupgas on Nov 16, 2023 14:04:36 GMT
Why? If id spent 4 weeks interviewing and no one seemed the right fit to work for me, i'd much rather look for new entrants in the job market than just accept one of the already interview as "they'll have to do" People are to quick to criticise a process they have no real sight of. Just guesswork and conjecture. My concern is that do the owners really know what they want or are they just hoping they’ll know once that person is sat in front of them and impresses? Exactly. I thought we would have sacked Joey with someone lined up and real good idea. But we are interviewing someone who was sacked Monday of this week. Complete made up process and no idea who they really want. Someone who will do the job for free probably.
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Post by RD on Nov 16, 2023 14:04:47 GMT
A lot of people saying how have we not made up our mind by now or don't know what we want etc - ever considered the possibility we did but they turned us down?
Very possible IMO that we looked round for a couple of weeks, made an offer, got turned down and so went back to having to look elsewhere. Let's be honest, results have been fine in the interim so that's taken the pressure off too - rather take our time and get it right than give ourselves some arbitrary deadline. Sure if Mangs had been a disaster maybe you look for damage limitation and try to speed the process up, but I don't see the issue.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 16, 2023 14:07:43 GMT
Maybe they were close to making a decision but after Taylor was sacked on Sunday, assuming he was interested, they decided they wanted to speak to him first. As long as we make the appointment by next Monday, Tuesday at the latest, it will still give the new manager a week to preapre for Derby. From what Mangan said it sounded like the players were being given Friday, Saturday & Sunday off anyway.Yeah I think one of the players also mentioned they were getting some time off. Worked well last time didnt it!
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Post by wilkimania on Nov 16, 2023 14:10:41 GMT
A lot of people saying how have we not made up our mind by now etc - ever considered the possibility we did but they turned us down? Very possible IMO that we looked round for a couple of weeks, made an offer, got turned down and so went back to looking elsewhere. Similarly maybe the club wanted someone but when they did their due diligence then they flagged something that made them change their mind. Think of the stuff that fanbases know just because they're partially involved in a situation ex. Robinson at Oxford, Pardew at Saints etc. it stands to reason that there's stuff that never gets out to fanbases, so coming off the back of Barton where the common perception seems to be that the new owners didn't like some of his off the field antics then it stands to reason that they'd be doing their best to ensure that his replacement meets their specifications off the field, as well as on them.
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Post by playtowin on Nov 16, 2023 14:22:59 GMT
You can't interview potential managers before you sack the current one. So once a decision was made that JB was underachieving he had to go. Thus allowing the process of a new person to take over to begin.
The owners were happy the coaches were capable enough to continue the needed activities. There is no way they would count out AM publicly as that might have a negative effect in the camp.
There is more to being manager than scraping through games . The owners will want someone who knows what needs to be done . For his sins JB did shake things up and start the process of Rovers leaving the 1960s and implementing more professional modern things.
A new manager will need to continue that. They will no doubt need experience at higher division clubs to bring that knowledge to this club.
Rovers want to be a championship club , we have been so far off this standard on and off the field. We fell decades behind other clubs.
Things might finally be happening . Rovers are starting the things that should have been done quarter of a century ago.
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