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Post by RD on Oct 31, 2023 7:55:39 GMT
Obesity and depression are often closely linked and it's not as simple as saying people just don't look after themselves. To some, eating is a comfort and relief from depression, but it's a also the cause of further depression at times. It's a bit of a vicious circle. Very difficult to escape from, and definitely much harder than people who haven't been through it think. One thing I don't like though is this trend towards people celebrating their large size on social media, and we are supposed to celebrate with them instead of pointing out that it's not actually something that we should be celebrating. My weight has been up and down my entire life, from obese to an athlete and then back again, currently halfway back to somewhat lean. It is indeed traumatic events that trigger it. However, it’s a deficiency of mine. It’s weakness. It needs to be spoken as such. It’s a bad thing. Regardless of why, that is irrelevant. If I give in and say “life’s hard” everyone has to deal with the consequences. My wife and children may lose their father and husband. I’d be too slow to be a good dad. I’ll bring ridicule and shame on them. Consequences matter. Intentions are not enough. It’s the outcomes which matter. Messing up and saying “it was hard because this happened to me” is just an excuse, it’s saying you weren’t able to mitigate your own tendencies. Responsibility is freedom. The issue is everyone’s egos are so fragile these days they can’t cope with saying “I fd up”. There’s nothing wrong with that. That’s being human. So yes, if you’re overweight and unhealthy then you should feel some level of uncomfortable feelings, especially if you have dependents. I read this in Andrew Tate's voice |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 8:01:28 GMT
Has this morphed into General Chat? Maybe but if it helps educate us I’m not going to be pandemic enough to ask for this thread to be moved. Very good discussion, I love how Ian Holloway talks about his children with pride, laughing at a larger person in a big jumper is no different to someone wearing an hearing aid, you are judging there appearance and mentioning it. Snowflakes 👍 Levels 👍 |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 31, 2023 8:05:09 GMT
Has this morphed into General Chat? Maybe but if it helps educate us all and helps someone like Gulfofaden discuss his personal situation and explain it, I’m not going to be pandemic enough to ask for this thread to be moved. Very good discussion, I love how Ian Holloway talks about his children with pride, laughing at a larger person in a big jumper is no different to someone wearing an hearing aid, you are judging there appearance and mentioning it. Snowflakes 👍 Levels 👍 It's general chat though. Plus it's another debate where people have differing opinions which can easily degrade into the usual BS on here. I know you love it and in a strange ironic twist, I think this is your therapy.😉 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 8:05:19 GMT
Obesity and depression are often closely linked and it's not as simple as saying people just don't look after themselves. To some, eating is a comfort and relief from depression, but it's an also the cause of further depression at times. It's a bit of a vicious circle. Very difficult to escape from, and definitely much harder than people who haven't been through it think. One thing I don't like though is this trend towards people celebrating their large size on social media, and we are supposed to celebrate with them instead of pointing out that it's not actually something that we should be celebrating. My weight has been up and down my entire life, from obese to an athlete and then back again, currently halfway back to somewhat lean. It is indeed traumatic events that trigger it. However, it’s a deficiency of mine. It’s weakness. It needs to be spoken as such. It’s a bad thing. Regardless of why, that is irrelevant. If I give in and say “life’s hard” everyone has to deal with the consequences. My wife and children may lose their father and husband. I’d be too slow to be a good dad. I’ll bring ridicule and shame on them. Consequences matter. Intentions are not enough. It’s the outcomes which matter. Messing up and saying “it was hard because this happened to me” is just an excuse, it’s saying you weren’t able to mitigate your own tendencies. Responsibility is freedom. The issue is everyone’s egos are so fragile these days they can’t cope with saying “I fd up”. There’s nothing wrong with that. That’s being human. So yes, if you’re overweight and unhealthy then you should feel some level of uncomfortable feelings, especially if you have dependents. I enjoyed reading your story, I don’t agree with it all but I do admire your mental strength, it’s just others don’t have it. All the best, an interesting read |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 31, 2023 8:19:51 GMT
It's general chat though. Plus it's another debate where people have differing opinions which can easily degrade into the usual BS on here. I know you love it and in a strange ironic twist, I think this is your therapy.😉 Please don’t judge me now, you have no right and certainly joke I need therapy. I don’t love it, I am passionate about defending others who face bullying. I don’t appreciate your post. I dont judge anybody, certainly not on a public footy forum. Not sure if that little outburst is part of the show but it's a good example of rapidly changing emotions. Take a break matey🤷♂️ Still gen chat though isn't it? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 8:23:15 GMT
Please don’t judge me now, you have no right and certainly joke I need therapy. I don’t love it, I am passionate about defending others who face bullying. I don’t appreciate your post. I dont judge anybody, certainly not on a public footy forum. Not sure if that little outburst is part of the show but it's a good example of rapidly changing emotions. Take a break matey🤷♂️ Still gen chat though isn't it? I deleted my post because we are just not going to agree and I’m not looking for a row. Again I don’t know why you feel the need to tell me to take a break, why? If you are worried about me, drop me a PM, I’m good pal but if you are being genuine, thanks for your concern. 👍 |
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 31, 2023 9:58:39 GMT
Heres my take on it.
When I'm with my close mates we throw pejoratives around at each other all the time, height, weight etc, nothing is off the table. Because we know each other and its taken in the spirit of banter and because each of us know we will get something in return at some point. However if we had to have a serious conversation about appearance, for example, we could do and not in the context of banter, but in the context of concern and if any of our mates said, I dont like that, we would take it off the table.
Now, if someone outside of our circle heard us talking about each other like that, they may be horrified. If Barton had a close friendly relationship with Evans, a fat weeble might be something he would get away with and it also might be a mild pejorative at that!
He may have also been comfortable expressing a tongue in cheek cheap shot at his friend publicly. We may all be horrified, but if they were close, likely Evans would retort, also publicly, and we would understand the banter. But he doesnt have that friendship with him and Evans reply was that of someone not mates with him.
The context was also that he had lost a tactical battle against a team just promoted with arguably inferior players to our squad, with contentious decisions in the game for both sides and Evans, quite rightly was agrieved with our equaliser. But rather than keep it professional and civil, he went for a low blow cheap jibe about the appearance of Evans. That has nothing to do with anything and as Roadman points out, if he was deaf or black I doubt very much he would have used those identity markers to describe anyone.
This isnt virtue signalling by the way, this was a man who represented our football club professionally and he should remain professional at all times and be gracious in defeat regardless of who beats us and is another example of the awful character that Barton is.
Regardless of what you think of the sun newspaper, they are spot on in their assessment, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 10:05:31 GMT
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You’ve brought it back to the original topic whilst we are told that it’s gone off topic but then on page 2 Saudi Arabia is mentioned!
I’m strong on the opinion for some it’s all based on levels and their feelings towards certain people. It’s ok agree with Barton re fat people, I don’t know the individuals view on racism or anything else.
No need for therapy, no need to take a break, I will also stand up against bullies.
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 31, 2023 10:35:36 GMT
I dont judge anybody, certainly not on a public footy forum. Not sure if that little outburst is part of the show but it's a good example of rapidly changing emotions. Take a break matey🤷♂️ Still gen chat though isn't it? I deleted my post because we are just not going to agree and I’m not looking for a row. Again I don’t know why you feel the need to tell me to take a break, why? If you are worried about me, drop me a PM, I’m good pal but if you are being genuine, thanks for your concern. 👍 All good mate. Hope all is well. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 31, 2023 12:44:57 GMT
Steve Evans is a fat guy who always moans at Referees though. For all Barton's mishaps, he's spot on with that one. So if he said he’s a N or a ginger, or dyslexic, or bipolar, or gay, would you have just flippantly typed this up? You see it’s ok to take the p*** out of fat people, they are just fat! Imagine this………. Steve Evans is a bipolar/albino guy who always moans at Referees though. For all Barton's mishaps, he's spot on with that one They are not fair comparisons as you don't choose to be those things. In general (99% of the time) people choose to be fat in one way or another. You can't choose to be albino or bipolar. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 31, 2023 13:01:48 GMT
Obesity and depression are often closely linked and it's not as simple as saying people just don't look after themselves. To some, eating is a comfort and relief from depression, but it's a also the cause of further depression at times. It's a bit of a vicious circle. Very difficult to escape from, and definitely much harder than people who haven't been through it think. One thing I don't like though is this trend towards people celebrating their large size on social media, and we are supposed to celebrate with them instead of pointing out that it's not actually something that we should be celebrating. My weight has been up and down my entire life, from obese to an athlete and then back again, currently halfway back to somewhat lean. It is indeed traumatic events that trigger it. However, it’s a deficiency of mine. It’s weakness. It needs to be spoken as such. It’s a bad thing. Regardless of why, that is irrelevant. If I give in and say “life’s hard” everyone has to deal with the consequences. My wife and children may lose their father and husband. I’d be too slow to be a good dad. I’ll bring ridicule and shame on them. Consequences matter. Intentions are not enough. It’s the outcomes which matter. Messing up and saying “it was hard because this happened to me” is just an excuse, it’s saying you weren’t able to mitigate your own tendencies. Responsibility is freedom. The issue is everyone’s egos are so fragile these days they can’t cope with saying “I fd up”. There’s nothing wrong with that. That’s being human. So yes, if you’re overweight and unhealthy then you should feel some level of uncomfortable feelings, especially if you have dependents. Why would you bring ridicule and shame on them? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 13:02:12 GMT
So if he said he’s a N or a ginger, or dyslexic, or bipolar, or gay, would you have just flippantly typed this up? You see it’s ok to take the p*** out of fat people, they are just fat! Imagine this………. Steve Evans is a bipolar/albino guy who always moans at Referees though. For all Barton's mishaps, he's spot on with that one They are not fair comparisons as you don't choose to be those things. In general (99% of the time) people choose to be fat in one way or another. You can't choose to be albino or bipolar. I’m sorry, I am trying not to be personal here but you are really coming across as an ignorant idiot. Taken off the NHS website “ When it comes to obesity, multiple factors are at play, many of which are beyond your control, including genetics, childhood habits, medical conditions, and hormones. Though becoming overweight or developing obesity may not be a choice and shedding excess weight may be difficult, you can lose weight if you choose to.” Have you ever had a family member or friend go on steroids?! Shut the thread down, I can’t believe we are having the conversation. It’s a bit like saying that he’s a zitty weeble, all ache isn’t down to eating bad food. 99% of the time, incredible |
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