Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 9:32:57 GMT
Clarmont Gas, Well thank god you arent the Manager. mGood footballers do not become bad overnight. Javani Brown was brilliant at Exeter, I agree on Crama-terrible. Cox nothing wrong other than two distribution errors. We need to bring in a Manager who can create a style that gives attacking football and bring as end to the rubbish playing the ball out and getting ourselves under pressure and the crap all back in our box and not being able to get out. Marquis shows every reason why we needed JCH. Owners get some balls and sort it out -now. Nice to see you back Steve... Lot of emotion in my post after being thoroughly hacked off last night. Sooner we appoint a proper manager the better - i sense it may be close now and maybe Mangan already knows it not him after his comments post match about staff concerned about their jobs!! |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 9:41:19 GMT
Whoever it is will have a tough list of fixtures coming up
Cheltenham
Blackpool
Bolton
Portsmouth
Charlton
Wycombe
Don't get much return out of those and it's not up the table we are looking at or the players that need to be signed for the rest of the season.
|
|
|
|
Post by socrates on Nov 29, 2023 10:08:15 GMT
Whoever it is will have a tough list of fixtures coming up Cheltenham Blackpool Bolton Portsmouth Charlton Wycombe Don't get much return out of those and it's not up the table we are looking at or the players that need to be signed for the rest of the season. Cheltenham the only one near the bottom and they might be for long DC working his magic . |
|
|
|
Post by oviedista on Nov 29, 2023 10:16:31 GMT
I don't think playing it out from the back is a problem and there was actually more long forward balls yesterday than I've seen n a while. The days when every player would react to pressure by smashing it up the pitch in the vague direction of a not quite target man still haunt me. Orient also played it out but did so much better than us. Good sides play it out just needs improveent not abandoning.
|
|
|
|
Post by socrates on Nov 29, 2023 10:18:08 GMT
I don't think playing it out from the back is a problem and there was actually more long forward balls yesterday than I've seen n a while. The days when every player would react to pressure by smashing it up the pitch in the vague direction of a not quite target man still haunt me. Orient also played it out but did so much better than us. Good sides play it out just needs improveent not abandoning. Needs to be quicker and the movement of our attacking players needs to be better. Nothing wrong with passing it through the lines but if everything is backs to goal it’s too easy to defend against. Tempo is key. |
|
|
|
Post by nickchippenhamgas on Nov 29, 2023 10:26:29 GMT
I think a lot of the problem on here is based on the fact we’ve pigeon holed ourselves into being ‘the best squad we’ve had for a long time/ever’ in August, and now we’re trying to make the subsequent results fit the narrative.
Having watched us a lot on ifollow I just think we’re simply bang average, nothing more, and if we went up we would embarrass ourselves in the championship, which in my humble opinion is as far away as it’s been this century.
I suspect this season was over when we failed to land JCH in August
|
|
|
|
Post by oviedista on Nov 29, 2023 10:27:14 GMT
I don't think playing it out from the back is a problem and there was actually more long forward balls yesterday than I've seen n a while. The days when every player would react to pressure by smashing it up the pitch in the vague direction of a not quite target man still haunt me. Orient also played it out but did so much better than us. Good sides play it out just needs improveent not abandoning. Needs to be quicker and the movement of our attacking players needs to be better. Nothing wrong with passing it through the lines but if everything is backs to goal it’s too easy to defend against. Tempo is key. Agreed. There were good moments yesterday and have been all season it's just not consistent. Cox and Evans both played world class long passes out to the right for example - Gordon was always looking to play quickly through the middle. but often feels it slows due to a lack of options and pressure. |
|
|
|
Post by madridgas on Nov 29, 2023 10:30:16 GMT
Only two things wrong last night: 1) Slow play out from the back, putting us under pressure. I said on the Derby thread, the thing that Grant offers at CB is moving the ball quickly and we did miss that last night. No question Conner Taylor is a better defender and an absolute rock at the back. However for some reason, when he plays we get pegged in at the back. 2) Not taking our chances. We had plenty of chances to win that last night, but decision making in the final 1/3 was poor. Four occasions in the game where we should have scored: 1) First half switch from left to right was beautiful, Thomas takes the ball down lovely in acres of space. When there was green space to run into, he crossed into the box instead, was cut out by their defender. We should have at least got a shot on target out of that. 2) 2nd Half, Marquis 1 on 1 with the keeper 1st time. Goes for the far top corner, hits it over. Keeper was beaten, should have kept it down. 3) We win a free kick just outside the box on the RHS. A beautiful free kick, straight off the training ground ending with Evans in acres of space one the edge of the box with only the keeper to beat. Shot was shocking, still orbiting earth. NASA expecting reentry over the weekend. 4) Marquis 1 on 1 number 2. Clearly Marquis is struggling with confidence. He seemed to be in two minds as to how to beat the keeper. Ended up neither burying it or showing the keeper "The eyes" and slotting it away. We didn't have much urgency all night but still could have walked away with a good victory, we did create enough chances just made bad decisions at the key moments. Walking away, definately felt live 2 points dropped. Compared to the game vs Lincoln where it felt like 1 point won. Management sentiment the same as everyone else, give it to someone soon. It feels like it impacted on the squad last night. Maybe different to most is that I think Mangan can do the job. Agree with most of this. We put one of those chances, or Thomas's "toe-poke" away and confidence flows and we don't get pinned in. Taylor for me is great in the air and generally defending, but not a ball playing CH. The owners have had the luxury of Mangan doing better than "OK" until now and thus weeks to find their man, or are they getting turned down by candidates ? Not enough £, or budget or not allowed to bring in their own people ? |
|
|
|
Post by madgas on Nov 29, 2023 10:31:29 GMT
It was a very weird performance.
The players were committed and did alot right. But we couldn't make it stick up front for the final 35 mins. Probably should've put another striker on to help Martin, or put Brown up there. Felt our number 10 was getting lost- before and after subs.
|
|
|
|
Post by woolavingtonpirate on Nov 29, 2023 10:54:27 GMT
Players playing out of position, our shape wasn't right, needed a tactical change from the start. Evans needed to play further forward, was wasted back there, Woods would of been a better option playing in his usual position. We just looked disjointed, lacking confidence. The only positive for me was our back four looked decent.
|
|
|
|
Post by oldmarket65 on Nov 29, 2023 11:16:03 GMT
Pathetic tonight .. Connor Taylor / Jack Hunt / Grant Ward / LT for 20 minutes put in a shift. Connor was excellent … Loanees can go back now as far as I am concerned .. Cox - distribution rank bad - give Jed a chance . Vale- Lack of footballing brain to give away that cheap free kick ( has been good previously though) Crama - disaster waiting to happen and once again he sh** the bed ! Thus time in the five minutes he was on the pitch. Bogarde- if you’re not interested lad then go back to Villa's junior side. Woods - Ginger Bilbo Baggins who adds nothing. Collins added nothing again / Marquis just proved he is past his best and L2 ticket please in January . Jevani Brown - I would rip up his contract - total joke who ambles around the pitch. Adds nothing. Mangan and coaching staff - Clueless ! Whelan aside I would flush the rest out of the Mem asap. Desperately need a new leader now .. and probably need to rip up the JB premiership play book and start fighting with some L1 nous and spirit. Jevani Brown made some good runs but was never picked out ….. he’ll come good. Collins is a good player and as soon as he came on he added threat to our forward line. Agree on much of the other stuff but perhaps a bit harsh on Bogarde. Interesting you mentioned Cox distribution. I looked at the video several times and I thought he was at fault with the goal not Crama. I slowed it down and Cox came out went back and was stranded. He was way too far off his line . I suppose its a matter of opinion. |
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 29, 2023 11:37:16 GMT
Only two things wrong last night: 1) Slow play out from the back, putting us under pressure. I said on the Derby thread, the thing that Grant offers at CB is moving the ball quickly and we did miss that last night. No question Conner Taylor is a better defender and an absolute rock at the back. However for some reason, when he plays we get pegged in at the back. 2) Not taking our chances. We had plenty of chances to win that last night, but decision making in the final 1/3 was poor. Four occasions in the game where we should have scored: 1) First half switch from left to right was beautiful, Thomas takes the ball down lovely in acres of space. When there was green space to run into, he crossed into the box instead, was cut out by their defender. We should have at least got a shot on target out of that. 2) 2nd Half, Marquis 1 on 1 with the keeper 1st time. Goes for the far top corner, hits it over. Keeper was beaten, should have kept it down. 3) We win a free kick just outside the box on the RHS. A beautiful free kick, straight off the training ground ending with Evans in acres of space one the edge of the box with only the keeper to beat. Shot was shocking, still orbiting earth. NASA expecting reentry over the weekend. 4) Marquis 1 on 1 number 2. Clearly Marquis is struggling with confidence. He seemed to be in two minds as to how to beat the keeper. Ended up neither burying it or showing the keeper "The eyes" and slotting it away. We didn't have much urgency all night but still could have walked away with a good victory, we did create enough chances just made bad decisions at the key moments. Walking away, definately felt live 2 points dropped. Compared to the game vs Lincoln where it felt like 1 point won. Management sentiment the same as everyone else, give it to someone soon. It feels like it impacted on the squad last night. Maybe different to most is that I think Mangan can do the job. Agree with most of this. We put one of those chances, or Thomas's "toe-poke" away and confidence flows and we don't get pinned in. Taylor for me is great in the air and generally defending, but not a ball playing CH. The owners have had the luxury of Mangan doing better than "OK" until now and thus weeks to find their man, or are they getting turned down by candidates ? Not enough £, or budget or not allowed to bring in their own people ? Forgot about that Toe Poke. If only it could've curled slightly. Had a perfect view of it and it was about an inch wide. Clearly, the worst display I have ever seen Rovers put in (sarcasm to the moaners btw). |
|
|
|
Post by dudelebowski on Nov 29, 2023 13:02:03 GMT
Only just seen the goal at the end, I mean that is desperately unlucky regardless of the performance for the rest of the match. Good stop by Cox, straight onto Crama’s knee, nothing he could do to get out the way of it.
|
|
|
|
Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 29, 2023 13:19:47 GMT
Could someone smarter than me explain why we throw the ball back to the center halves when we are half way in the oppositions half?
|
|
pirate
Forum Legend
Posts: 19,466 
|
Post by pirate on Nov 29, 2023 13:22:52 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Midsomer Murderer on Nov 29, 2023 13:22:57 GMT
Could someone smarter than me explain why we throw the ball back to the center halves when we are half way in the oppositions half? Surely no one smarter on here mate ?  |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 13:26:29 GMT
He’s not good enough. Hasn’t been since the day he signs. Good honest pro who’s a nice bloke but not a league one player nowadays |
|
|
|
Post by gashead79 on Nov 29, 2023 13:33:39 GMT
Could someone smarter than me explain why we throw the ball back to the center halves when we are half way in the oppositions half? Our team is mentally set up to be risk averse. Nobody apart from Vale, is prepared to take a chance on losing the ball. Our crowd compounds this by moaning at every chance if someone loses the ball or makes a mistake. So, due to fear, the players will take the safe option. This is most obvious when the defence have the ball. Poor movement up front and best chance of retention sees us pass aimlessly backwards and sideways until the opposition closes us down. |
|
|
|
Post by whitchurchgas on Nov 29, 2023 13:54:08 GMT
Jeez standing in east terrace didn’t realise they were quite this bad, shocking. No excuses there. |
|
|
|
Post by baggins on Nov 29, 2023 14:15:57 GMT
I don't think playing it out from the back is a problem and there was actually more long forward balls yesterday than I've seen n a while. The days when every player would react to pressure by smashing it up the pitch in the vague direction of a not quite target man still haunt me. Orient also played it out but did so much better than us. Good sides play it out just needs improveent not abandoning. Needs to be quicker and the movement of our attacking players needs to be better. Nothing wrong with passing it through the lines but if everything is backs to goal it’s too easy to defend against. Tempo is key. Decent midfield wouldn't go amiss. |
|
