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Post by eric on Dec 31, 2023 12:53:53 GMT
Don’t see how he can go from being a bench warmer at Bromley to coming back and getting starts in the top half of league one. If he’d been ripping it up in the conference then yes give him a chance but doesn’t seem he’s near ready yet.
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Post by mftc on Dec 31, 2023 13:49:44 GMT
The same story as a lot of our youngsters. Unless they hit the ground running first time at Rovers, then chances are they won't get too many chances.
An experienced player on the other hand has a few games to get back up to speed.
As mentioned re Jones, he picked up an injury early in the season and the Bromley team gelled and went on a flyer. He got fit, got back into the squad and then broke his wrist and had to start all over again.
Just because he is not a first team regular at National League at the moment doesn't mean he won't be an answer to our long term left back/ left wing position.
He can play anywhere down the left and also central midfield so I would not be surprised if Bromley look to extend his loan, as he will no doubt get games, through injuries and suspensions and knows a bit about their set up and tacticsas they head towards the business end of the season.
Once he gets back in the starting eleven he has to make sure he is un-dropable.
Still think MT needs to have a look at Clarke before he decides if he goes anywhere in January (or waits for pre season in Ireland to start again).
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 31, 2023 14:18:35 GMT
Jones has never really been anywhere near holding down a first team place at Rovers, given he can't get into a NL side he's clearly still some distance away from being a L1 one player.
No idea what the club intentions are re Clarke but he seems a million miles behind Vale on his recent performances.
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Post by gasify on Dec 31, 2023 15:41:19 GMT
Don’t see how he can go from being a bench warmer at Bromley to coming back and getting starts in the top half of league one. If he’d been ripping it up in the conference then yes give him a chance but doesn’t seem he’s near ready yet. Completely get what you are saying. However. Quansah wasn't exactly ripping it up in League one and then goes back to Liverpool and breaks through to the first team. I for one though he was sub par here last season. If they don't get a chance, no one really knows how they will develop. |
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Post by lympstonegas on Dec 31, 2023 15:52:25 GMT
Don’t see how he can go from being a bench warmer at Bromley to coming back and getting starts in the top half of league one. If he’d been ripping it up in the conference then yes give him a chance but doesn’t seem he’s near ready yet. Completely get what you are saying. However. Quansah wasn't exactly ripping it up in League one and then goes back to Liverpool and breaks through to the first team. I for one thought he was sub par here last season. If they don't get a chance, no one really knows how they will develop. Might not have fired us to L1 in the way Elliott did to enable him to break into the Newcastle 1st team squad but it has to be said we must have suitably developed Quansah in the way he has broken in the Liverpool 1st team squad which seems to have gone unnoticed? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 31, 2023 15:54:43 GMT
Quansah's situation is totally bizarre given how weak he looked playing for us, he was part of the defence which lost 5-1 at relegated Morecambe, he was really no better than Clarke-Salter who has never made it past Championship level.
I don't think JB's managerial career ever recovered from losing Thomas for Quansah!
You sense (or at least hope) MT will play our youngsters if they are good enough.
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Post by wilkimania on Dec 31, 2023 15:55:30 GMT
Probably a slight difference in playing next to VVD than Connolly for Quansah.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 31, 2023 15:57:25 GMT
Completely get what you are saying. However. Quansah wasn't exactly ripping it up in League one and then goes back to Liverpool and breaks through to the first team. I for one thought he was sub par here last season. If they don't get a chance, no one really knows how they will develop. Might not have fired us to L1 in the way Elliott did to enable him to break into the Newcastle 1st team squad but it has to be said we must have suitably developed Quansah in the way he has broken in the Liverpool 1st team squad which seems to have gone unnoticed? I doubt Premiership clubs really careless what we've gone for their players, if they did then you'd have thought they'd be lining up to send them to us last summer. If nothing else you'd have thought Newcastle would have sent one player on loan to us just as a "Thank You". |
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Post by eric on Dec 31, 2023 15:58:54 GMT
Might not have fired us to L1 in the way Elliott did to enable him to break into the Newcastle 1st team squad but it has to be said we must have suitably developed Quansah in the way he has broken in the Liverpool 1st team squad which seems to have gone unnoticed? I doubt Premiership clubs really careless what we've gone for their players, if they did then you'd have thought they'd be lining up to send them to us last summer. If nothing else you'd have thought Newcastle would have sent one player on loan to us just as a "Thank You". 🤣 |
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Post by dudelebowski on Dec 31, 2023 16:01:26 GMT
Quansah's situation is totally bizarre given how weak he looked playing for us, he was part of the defence which lost 5-1 at relegated Morecambe, he was really no better than Clarke-Salter who has never made it past Championship level. I don't think JB's managerial career ever recovered from losing Thomas for Quansah! You sense (or at least hope) MT will play our youngsters if they are good enough. Morecambe was his debut to be fair & he was one of our better players on the day! Didn’t say much for our seniors or other match day personnel |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 16:01:39 GMT
The same story as a lot of our youngsters. Unless they hit the ground running first time at Rovers, then chances are they won't get too many chances. An experienced player on the other hand has a few games to get back up to speed. As mentioned re Jones, he picked up an injury early in the season and the Bromley team gelled and went on a flyer. He got fit, got back into the squad and then broke his wrist and had to start all over again. Just because he is not a first team regular at National League at the moment doesn't mean he won't be an answer to our long term left back/ left wing position. He can play anywhere down the left and also central midfield so I would not be surprised if Bromley look to extend his loan, as he will no doubt get games, through injuries and suspensions and knows a bit about their set up and tacticsas they head towards the business end of the season. Once he gets back in the starting eleven he has to make sure he is un-dropable. Still think MT needs to have a look at Clarke before he decides if he goes anywhere in January (or waits for pre season in Ireland to start again). All season we have seen sides target our left hand side, if it’s not Gordon it’s Vale and the small Irishman Clarke will be the next victim. At least Friend manages to attack the ball aerially and is stronger but rarely fit, Clarke needs to go and we need another left back. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 16:32:54 GMT
The same story as a lot of our youngsters. Unless they hit the ground running first time at Rovers, then chances are they won't get too many chances. An experienced player on the other hand has a few games to get back up to speed. As mentioned re Jones, he picked up an injury early in the season and the Bromley team gelled and went on a flyer. He got fit, got back into the squad and then broke his wrist and had to start all over again. Just because he is not a first team regular at National League at the moment doesn't mean he won't be an answer to our long term left back/ left wing position. He can play anywhere down the left and also central midfield so I would not be surprised if Bromley look to extend his loan, as he will no doubt get games, through injuries and suspensions and knows a bit about their set up and tacticsas they head towards the business end of the season. Once he gets back in the starting eleven he has to make sure he is un-dropable. Still think MT needs to have a look at Clarke before he decides if he goes anywhere in January (or waits for pre season in Ireland to start again). Hoping that Taylor isn’t afraid to play youngsters if they are good enough. Harry Kite was out on loan in non league and then went straight in the side. |
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Post by Quarters on Dec 31, 2023 18:30:17 GMT
The same story as a lot of our youngsters. Unless they hit the ground running first time at Rovers, then chances are they won't get too many chances. An experienced player on the other hand has a few games to get back up to speed. As mentioned re Jones, he picked up an injury early in the season and the Bromley team gelled and went on a flyer. He got fit, got back into the squad and then broke his wrist and had to start all over again. Just because he is not a first team regular at National League at the moment doesn't mean he won't be an answer to our long term left back/ left wing position. He can play anywhere down the left and also central midfield so I would not be surprised if Bromley look to extend his loan, as he will no doubt get games, through injuries and suspensions and knows a bit about their set up and tacticsas they head towards the business end of the season. Once he gets back in the starting eleven he has to make sure he is un-dropable. Still think MT needs to have a look at Clarke before he decides if he goes anywhere in January (or waits for pre season in Ireland to start again). All season we have seen sides target our left hand side, if it’s not Gordon it’s Vale and the small Irishman Clarke will be the next victim. At least Friend manages to attack the ball aerially and is stronger but rarely fit, Clarke needs to go and we need another left back. Or maybe most teams are stronger on their right hand side. Do we target their left back or try to utilise Thomas? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 31, 2023 19:01:19 GMT
The same story as a lot of our youngsters. Unless they hit the ground running first time at Rovers, then chances are they won't get too many chances. An experienced player on the other hand has a few games to get back up to speed. As mentioned re Jones, he picked up an injury early in the season and the Bromley team gelled and went on a flyer. He got fit, got back into the squad and then broke his wrist and had to start all over again. Just because he is not a first team regular at National League at the moment doesn't mean he won't be an answer to our long term left back/ left wing position. He can play anywhere down the left and also central midfield so I would not be surprised if Bromley look to extend his loan, as he will no doubt get games, through injuries and suspensions and knows a bit about their set up and tacticsas they head towards the business end of the season. Once he gets back in the starting eleven he has to make sure he is un-dropable. Still think MT needs to have a look at Clarke before he decides if he goes anywhere in January (or waits for pre season in Ireland to start again). Hoping that Taylor isn’t afraid to play youngsters if they are good enough. Harry Kite was out on loan in non league and then went straight in the side. Think it's more to do with being bothered to play youngsters than being brave enough, hopefully, MT sees his job as a long term appointment and so will want to develop the club's youngsters. If a manager only plans on being at a club for a couple of years spending time developing somebody like Jones is probably pointless for them. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 31, 2023 19:03:17 GMT
All season we have seen sides target our left hand side, if it’s not Gordon it’s Vale and the small Irishman Clarke will be the next victim. At least Friend manages to attack the ball aerially and is stronger but rarely fit, Clarke needs to go and we need another left back. Or maybe most teams are stronger on their right hand side. Do we target their left back or try to utilise Thomas? Think we target both flanks, not sure Vale is really any weaker defensively than LT? The Charlton goal was down to a mistake rather than weakness. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 31, 2023 19:19:15 GMT
Their mistakes would go to developing our own player rather than someone else's. With kids on loan the parent clubs don't care if they make mistakes as it doesn't cost them. So you'd drop Vale then - two assists in two games - for Hoole or Gordon, just so they can develop their games. If they ever did develop we'd probably lose them for nothing anyway like we did with Locks? The age of developing Academy players and selling them for £100K's now seems a thing of the past. No, but that's the trade off with the system isn't it. You accept we are developing someone else's players, the trade off hopefully comes from getting better quality in than we otherwise couldn't afford. Someone mentioned Bogarde in this thread or another one and I can't see he's better than anything we already have. Same with Cox, is he any better than Belshaw or Ward? Obviously with Anderson and Vale, we have improved our first team so we get something from the deal. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 31, 2023 21:55:22 GMT
So you'd drop Vale then - two assists in two games - for Hoole or Gordon, just so they can develop their games. If they ever did develop we'd probably lose them for nothing anyway like we did with Locks? The age of developing Academy players and selling them for £100K's now seems a thing of the past. No, but that's the trade off with the system isn't it. You accept we are developing someone else's players, the trade off hopefully comes from getting better quality in than we otherwise couldn't afford. Someone mentioned Bogarde in this thread or another one and I can't see he's better than anything we already have. Same with Cox, is he any better than Belshaw or Ward? Obviously with Anderson and Vale, we have improved our first team so we get something from the deal. Ward's too inexperienced and the fact Belshaw is only getting loans to L2 club's siuggest he's not good enough for L1, Cox seems to have upped his game lately,neither Pompey's or Charlton's goalies seemed any better than Cox. Bogarde was a decent player last season when Rossiter was out injured, this season he's not, I guess that in itself highlights the advantages of the loan system as we can send him back in January. |
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Post by CornishPasty_Gas on Dec 31, 2023 22:03:52 GMT
Quansah was an absolute rolls Royce at this level. Anyone that failed to see that needs their head read. Quansah wasn't a shining light because he is a very young lad, starting out at pro football, and was thrown in with a backline which didn't have a bloody clue how to defend, for toffee. I thought he was impressive, pace, positional, passing, on the ball you could tell he oozed class.
Unfortunately our ex manager didn't have a clue how to get last seasons defence to... Defend.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 1, 2024 11:15:13 GMT
Went into the club shop wanted I w**k printed on my home shirt the nurse Ratchet lookalike refused my request. Brilliant but you can buy the letters and numbers and iron them on , also there is the option of making your own if you buy the transfer paper and use a PC to print the same. Made me laugh |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 1, 2024 11:19:51 GMT
Quansah's situation is totally bizarre given how weak he looked playing for us, he was part of the defence which lost 5-1 at relegated Morecambe, he was really no better than Clarke-Salter who has never made it past Championship level. I don't think JB's managerial career ever recovered from losing Thomas for Quansah! You sense (or at least hope) MT will play our youngsters if they are good enough. His past managerial history suggests that he pays attention to all players and is not afraid to use them if he thinks they are good enough. He will need a fair amount of time and probably a preseason to be able to cast his eyes on what we have though. |
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