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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 23, 2024 11:23:59 GMT
Massive respect to both of you , don’t know how you’ve done it all those yrs if I’m honest. You do it because they are your children and you love them,the biggest thing that keeps us awake at night and I'm almost certain it's the same for Stuart is what happens when we're no longer around. The Drive programme on Radio 5 Live yesterday was guest edited by a pupil at Star College in Cheltenham. Very interesting, if hard, listen. I caught a bit driving home between 4.45 and 5.30. Available on BBC Sounds. |
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Post by oldie on Feb 23, 2024 11:26:58 GMT
Beth's take: Priti Patel "As this figure was bemoaning the horrors, as they saw it, of a Braverman leadership bid after the election, they told me that Priti Patel was at least someone on that wing of the party they could do business with. The former cabinet minister acknowledged that the right is likely to take the leadership crown after the election, given the leanings of the Conservative party members who get to choose, and that Patel looks, for now, the pick of an unpalatable bunch for Tory centrists." 'That' vote: The effect was to let Labour off the hook by avoiding a massive rebellion because it meant Starmer's MPs could vote for the Labour ceasefire amendment instead of having to defy the whip and support the SNP ceasefire motion. But the Speaker was clear his motive was all about MPs' safety. There are those in parliament - like Rishi Sunak - who believe strongly concerns over MPs' safety shouldn't ever influence business in the Commons, not least because it could set a dangerous precedent of MPs being intimidated in order to change what they debate and how they vote. But there is also a lot of chatter on some of the female MPs' WhatsApp groups about their experiences and concerns over threats, with some - particularly Labour women - having to deal with physical confrontations with protests over the Israel-Hamas conflict. One Conservative MP told me this week she was "riddled with anxiety" ahead of this week's vote over what to do. "I'm angry that we're being put in this position," she told me. "We get cast as either child murderers or antisemitic and I'm neither. I believe a nation has a right to defend itself against terrorists but I'm also a pacifist. "There is no nuance in [this] vote, which is totally irrelevant anyway, just a binary perception of whether you're for or against a ceasefire." news.sky.com/story/electoral-dysfunction-the-tory-leadership-hopeful-building-their-support-almost-entirely-hidden-from-view-13078699"One Conservative MP told me this week she was "riddled with anxiety" ahead of this week's vote over what to do. "I'm angry that we're being put in this position," she told me. "We get cast as either child murderers or antisemitic and I'm neither. I believe a nation has a right to defend itself against terrorists but I'm also a pacifist." Whoever she is, well said. |
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 23, 2024 12:08:18 GMT
You do it because they are your children and you love them,the biggest thing that keeps us awake at night and I'm almost certain it's the same for Stuart is what happens when we're no longer around. The Drive programme on Radio 5 Live yesterday was guest edited by a pupil at Star College in Cheltenham. Very interesting, if hard, listen. I caught a bit driving home between 4.45 and 5.30. Available on BBC Sounds. Thanks Stuart will have a listen |
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Post by francegas on Feb 23, 2024 13:13:23 GMT
Speaks the man that watches GB news 🙄😂 And has referenced the sun and Mail. All tabloids are as bad as eachother Maybe once or twice but certainly not as many as some who post article after article from "The Guardian" and watch "BBC" news. You know the news channel that's supposed to be impartial because it's funded by tax payer money. |
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Post by yattongas on Feb 23, 2024 14:17:16 GMT
And has referenced the sun and Mail. All tabloids are as bad as eachother Maybe once or twice but certainly not as many as some who post article after article from "The Guardian" and watch "BBC" news. You know the news channel that's supposed to be impartial because it's funded by tax payer money. Again….. speaks the man that watches the totally impartial GB news ! 😂🇬🇧 |
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Post by francegas on Feb 23, 2024 14:53:49 GMT
Maybe once or twice but certainly not as many as some who post article after article from "The Guardian" and watch "BBC" news. You know the news channel that's supposed to be impartial because it's funded by tax payer money. Again….. speaks the man that watches the totally impartial GB news ! 😂🇬🇧 And where have I stated that or are you just just making assumptions as per. As far as I know GB news isn't funded by an enforced licence fee unlike your wonderful BBC |
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 23, 2024 15:20:14 GMT
Again….. speaks the man that watches the totally impartial GB news ! 😂🇬🇧 And where have I stated that or are you just just making assumptions as per. As far as I know GB news isn't funded by an enforced licence fee unlike your wonderful BBC The BBC hasn't been impartial for years |
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Post by yattongas on Feb 23, 2024 15:52:06 GMT
Oh gawd ….. the right say the bbc have a leftie bias , the left say the bbc have a rightwing bias 🙄
Which probably shows they’re getting things about right ….er left ?!
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 23, 2024 16:16:29 GMT
Oh gawd ….. the right say the bbc have a leftie bias , the left say the bbc have a rightwing bias 🙄 Which probably shows they’re getting things about right ….er left ?! Pretty much where I am on it. Do find Laura K selective though so can see that aspect. Jonathan Beale covering defence is poor imo, definitely a bias in there somewhere. |
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Post by yattongas on Feb 23, 2024 16:17:33 GMT
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Post by gashead79 on Feb 23, 2024 21:30:26 GMT
It makes no difference. It was a deflection from his argument being crushed. Massive hypocrite with a top hat on. What argument was being crushed? Hoyle (supposedly independent as Speaker) made a political decision that massively helped the Labour Party? None of that is being disputed... As oldie correctly identified. I was referring to him. Deflection tactic since his argument was nullified. And I've used aggressive language now 😄 Trying to rewrite the script after being outed as a bully I expect.. Possibly why he gets banned from forums on occasion? Apologies for any confusion and this doesn't add value to the discussion at all. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 23, 2024 23:57:14 GMT
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Post by Gassy on Feb 24, 2024 0:32:58 GMT
And has referenced the sun and Mail. All tabloids are as bad as eachother Maybe once or twice but certainly not as many as some who post article after article from "The Guardian" and watch "BBC" news. You know the news channel that's supposed to be impartial because it's funded by tax payer money. You consider BBC, Guardian and the Sun/Mail in the same bracket? There’s biased and then there’s just plain ridiculous |
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Post by supergas on Feb 24, 2024 10:12:17 GMT
Well sourced from news websites like the BBC and Reuters....but rumours all the same, journalists reporting on what other people are claiming, not what they 100% know from direct evidence - which it why I reminded everyone those claims weren't factual...yet... Incidentally, Starmer had the perfect opportunity to clear it up yesterday on the media round - asked three times if he or one of his MPs warned Speaker Hoyle that he could lose Labour Party support after the election if the precedent wasn't broken and the Labour amendment wasn't allowed...The obvious answer is "No". But what he said (very carefully) was "... he didn’t put that kind of pressure on Hoyle...." If none of his colleagues made the alleged threats, why was that answer so carefully worded to a very specific question asking something else.... Perhaps Probably not worth arguing about. There were some good points raised on R4 Today programme this morning. Forgetting the politics of who said what whom, the issue of targeting elected officials in their homes and offices was properly raised. Given the murder of Jo Cox and David Amess we should all be alert to that. Targeting the domestic premises in particular is totally unacceptable, this drags families into it. I don't care what side of the political divide people are. Of course the safety of MPs doing their job is paramount. But having said that there is a huge police presence at Parliament, more and more improvements in security at their homes and the police can and should be investigating any and all threats against them . If either individual MPs, the Speaker or Parliament as a whole starts changing decisions or procedures based on threats of violence it will become a slippery slope - more and more protests outside the building and more and more threats online. |
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Post by oldie on Feb 24, 2024 12:53:07 GMT
Perhaps Probably not worth arguing about. There were some good points raised on R4 Today programme this morning. Forgetting the politics of who said what whom, the issue of targeting elected officials in their homes and offices was properly raised. Given the murder of Jo Cox and David Amess we should all be alert to that. Targeting the domestic premises in particular is totally unacceptable, this drags families into it. I don't care what side of the political divide people are. Of course the safety of MPs doing their job is paramount. But having said that there is a huge police presence at Parliament, more and more improvements in security at their homes and the police can and should be investigating any and all threats against them . If either individual MPs, the Speaker or Parliament as a whole starts changing decisions or procedures based on threats of violence it will become a slippery slope - more and more protests outside the building and more and more threats online. I agree. But I remain unconvinced that to allow a debate on a motion is such a dilution of the will of Parliament. It's not, and MPs on all sides need to get a grip. The real issue is not domestic procedures but the thousands of women and children killed and being killed in Gaza. Not that the UK can do anything about it. |
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Post by yattongas on Feb 24, 2024 22:21:06 GMT
Lee Anderson: MP suspended from Tory party over 'Islamists' comments
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Post by oldie on Feb 25, 2024 9:21:47 GMT
Lee Anderson: MP suspended from Tory party over 'Islamists' comments I fear the Tories are stoking a cultural war and indeed Religious tensions to cover their own incompetence |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 25, 2024 13:29:47 GMT
Not alone, I'm sure. " "I'm feeling pretty angry, I'm being polite, I've been a ball of simmering rage for so long and its definitely affected my health." "I've had to borrow thousands just to stay in business and to make sure I can pay my mortgage,"she said. "It's a sheer stubborn refusal to not let this affect mine and Olive's future, it would have been much easier if I could have just given up work when this was going on." She added that Olive is confused and asking why so many schools are rejecting her." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-68347954 |
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Post by francegas on Feb 26, 2024 6:42:30 GMT
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Post by francegas on Feb 26, 2024 6:55:59 GMT
Any of you lefties 😂 think your beloved deputy leader is somewhat of a hypocrite concerning the selling of her council house and broke the law concerning where she was registered. Newly weds at separate addresses come on Angie pull the other one.
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