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Post by supergas on Nov 28, 2024 7:22:57 GMT
Revisiting past issues and decisions is fine. Undermining a democratic process such as a referendum, just because it didn't go the way you wanted is just mischievous. Something like what Trump did at the last US election. So if we hold a referendum, that's it. We can never revist that result ever again because "the people have decided"? Even if the result was so close and there is evidence that the decision was of no benefit to the country and a case could be made that the decision was actually detrimental? You seem to be saying revising past issues is fine but not if it overturns a decision that went the way you wanted. Seems a bit mischievous that. 😉 TBF we can't undo Brexit. We could join the EU afresh but that could make things even worse.... |
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 28, 2024 8:17:23 GMT
Revisiting past issues and decisions is fine. Undermining a democratic process such as a referendum, just because it didn't go the way you wanted is just mischievous. Something like what Trump did at the last US election. So if we hold a referendum, that's it. We can never revist that result ever again because "the people have decided"? Even if the result was so close and there is evidence that the decision was of no benefit to the country and a case could be made that the decision was actually detrimental? You seem to be saying revising past issues is fine but not if it overturns a decision that went the way you wanted. Seems a bit mischievous that. 😉 Im saying revisiting past issues is fine, which has been done at length on brexit anyway. Underming democratic process is not fine and mischievous, especially when coming from an mp. However I do appreciate that those people are likely trying to appease their candidates. If these things were best of 3 would that help? Or is a 5 year campaign and lots of time adequate?? |
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 28, 2024 8:18:23 GMT
So if we hold a referendum, that's it. We can never revist that result ever again because "the people have decided"? Even if the result was so close and there is evidence that the decision was of no benefit to the country and a case could be made that the decision was actually detrimental? You seem to be saying revising past issues is fine but not if it overturns a decision that went the way you wanted. Seems a bit mischievous that. 😉 TBF we can't undo Brexit. We could join the EU afresh but that could make things even worse.... Worse for some but those who feel hard done by would be happy for a while. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 28, 2024 8:40:32 GMT
So if we hold a referendum, that's it. We can never revist that result ever again because "the people have decided"? Even if the result was so close and there is evidence that the decision was of no benefit to the country and a case could be made that the decision was actually detrimental? You seem to be saying revising past issues is fine but not if it overturns a decision that went the way you wanted. Seems a bit mischievous that. 😉 TBF we can't undo Brexit. We could join the EU afresh but that could make things even worse.... Yes, I agree We should never have left, but now we have I think we have to stay out. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 28, 2024 8:43:31 GMT
So if we hold a referendum, that's it. We can never revist that result ever again because "the people have decided"? Even if the result was so close and there is evidence that the decision was of no benefit to the country and a case could be made that the decision was actually detrimental? You seem to be saying revising past issues is fine but not if it overturns a decision that went the way you wanted. Seems a bit mischievous that. 😉 Im saying revisiting past issues is fine, which has been done at length on brexit anyway. Underming democratic process is not fine and mischievous, especially when coming from an mp. However I do appreciate that those people are likely trying to appease their candidates. If these things were best of 3 would that help? Or is a 5 year campaign and lots of time adequate?? OK, let's be naughty and argue that there was a referendum tomorrow on banning women from voting. The referendum is won by the side wanting the ban. Is that then that? Women no longer get the vote? Would it be a mischievous undermining of democracy to right that wrong at the earliest opportunity? |
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 28, 2024 10:28:54 GMT
Im saying revisiting past issues is fine, which has been done at length on brexit anyway. Underming democratic process is not fine and mischievous, especially when coming from an mp. However I do appreciate that those people are likely trying to appease their candidates. If these things were best of 3 would that help? Or is a 5 year campaign and lots of time adequate?? OK, let's be naughty and argue that there was a referendum tomorrow on banning women from voting. The referendum is won by the side wanting the ban. Is that then that? Women no longer get the vote? Would it be a mischievous undermining of democracy to right that wrong at the earliest opportunity? Just keep rerunning the referendum indefinitely i guess then? |
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Post by Gassy on Nov 28, 2024 11:07:36 GMT
Egg on the faces of Braverman & Cleverly this morning, although tbf it’s odd if the ONS to make a mistake like that.
Either way, 906,000 net migration is far far too high.
Does bring in the question of controlling our borders post Brexit though. Especially when illegal immigration’s is predicted to be around 100k?
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Post by francegas on Nov 28, 2024 11:38:33 GMT
OK, let's be naughty and argue that there was a referendum tomorrow on banning women from voting. The referendum is won by the side wanting the ban. Is that then that? Women no longer get the vote? Would it be a mischievous undermining of democracy to right that wrong at the earliest opportunity? Just keep rerunning the referendum indefinitely i guess then? Well until the remainers get the result they want and then it'll never be discussed again. There was a 41 year gap between the fist referendum of remaining in the EEC (1975) and the referendum of 2016. Yet after 8 years people want another with the hope the decision will be reversed. |
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