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Post by trevorgas on May 17, 2024 9:15:40 GMT
That's more a strategy and route map π,how about Create a Society of opportunity for all which delivers excellence in our public Services,underpinned by a stable economy and fairness . Short and to the point?? How will they do that? Labour are running the classic opposition playbook, their current plan is to let everyone know that they will make everything better, but very little detail on how they will actually do it... ...I still think they will win and probably with a massive majority - but at the moment it's vague waffle and not actual polices and/or measurable targets... That's for them to work out however,it ain't that difficult to identify the levers it's which ones you pull first and by how much where the complexity comes in
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Post by supergas on May 17, 2024 9:56:52 GMT
How will they do that? Labour are running the classic opposition playbook, their current plan is to let everyone know that they will make everything better, but very little detail on how they will actually do it... ...I still think they will win and probably with a massive majority - but at the moment it's vague waffle and not actual polices and/or measurable targets... That's for them to work out however,it ain't that difficult to identify the levers it's which ones you pull first and by how much where the complexity comes in Then it's not unreasonable to ask what they will do when they take power. Somewhere between two and eight months from now they will be in government. I follow politics pretty closely and I have no idea what they will do, what they will prioritise, how they will move from opposition to government. Surely it's not an unreasonable question to ask...?
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Post by yattongas on May 17, 2024 10:21:04 GMT
How about β¦. Tax the rich More...?Β The top 1% of earners generate 30% of the total income tax revenue - the highest share in past twenty years. Effectively Β£3 from every Β£10 income tax is paid by well under half a million people... Yes even more π
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Post by supergas on May 17, 2024 10:37:39 GMT
More...? The top 1% of earners generate 30% of the total income tax revenue - the highest share in past twenty years. Effectively Β£3 from every Β£10 income tax is paid by well under half a million people... Yes even more π Why would they stay in the UK and pay taxes here? At some point they will start to leave and spend their money/pay their taxes elsewhere, meaning the tax percentage charged has gone up but the total revenue comes down....
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Post by yattongas on May 17, 2024 10:39:20 GMT
Why would they stay in the UK and pay taxes here? At some point they will start to leave and spend their money/pay their taxes elsewhere, meaning the percentage of tax has gone up but the total revenue comes down.... Because they will . This argument is put out every time and the gullible fall for it .
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Post by supergas on May 17, 2024 10:48:35 GMT
Why would they stay in the UK and pay taxes here? At some point they will start to leave and spend their money/pay their taxes elsewhere, meaning the percentage of tax has gone up but the total revenue comes down.... Because they will . This argument is put out every time and the gullible fall for it . Fair enough I guess, we've had what is normally a tax-cutting Conservative government raising the tax burden to it's highest level in nearly 70 years. At what point should we consider cutting spending again...?
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Post by oldie on May 17, 2024 10:52:21 GMT
That's for them to work out however,it ain't that difficult to identify the levers it's which ones you pull first and by how much where the complexity comes in Then it's not unreasonable to ask what they will do when they take power. Somewhere between two and eight months from now they will be in government. I follow politics pretty closely and I have no idea what they will do, what they will prioritise, how they will move from opposition to government. Surely it's not an unreasonable question to ask...? Just like it was in 2010, 2015, 2017 and 2019. How did that go (before you get into a cold sweat, I know it was only 2010 they approached as opposition)
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Post by oldie on May 17, 2024 10:53:03 GMT
Because they will . This argument is put out every time and the gullible fall for it . Fair enough I guess, we've had what is normally a tax-cutting Conservative government raising the tax burden to it's highest level in nearly 70 years.Β At what point should we consider cutting spending again...? Has it ever stopped?
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Post by supergas on May 17, 2024 10:53:27 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on May 17, 2024 11:00:24 GMT
That's for them to work out however,it ain't that difficult to identify the levers it's which ones you pull first and by how much where the complexity comes in Then it's not unreasonable to ask what they will do when they take power. Somewhere between two and eight months from now they will be in government. I follow politics pretty closely and I have no idea what they will do, what they will prioritise, how they will move from opposition to government. Surely it's not an unreasonable question to ask...? No it's not an unreasonable question,a clearly articulated vision,strategy and route map before the election date would be great. Not a plethora of unconnected pledges and warm words.
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Post by supergas on May 17, 2024 11:06:44 GMT
Then it's not unreasonable to ask what they will do when they take power. Somewhere between two and eight months from now they will be in government. I follow politics pretty closely and I have no idea what they will do, what they will prioritise, how they will move from opposition to government. Surely it's not an unreasonable question to ask...? Just like it was in 2010, 2015, 2017 and 2019. How did that go (before you get into a cold sweat, I know it was only 2010 they approached as opposition) Well as early as 2008 there were specific Conservative polices in place on the economy, health, education, law and order, foreign policy - nearly all of which were implemented in the first 18 months of government. Would you like a list with dates and details or can you google it yourself...? When we get to 2015/17/19 they were judged on their achievements in government - which (to be fair) is harder than making promises from opposition....
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Post by baggins on May 17, 2024 11:10:56 GMT
Any chance we could close a few loopholes that allow the big boys to get away with paying next to no Corporate Tax?
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Post by yattongas on May 17, 2024 11:18:13 GMT
Because they will . This argument is put out every time and the gullible fall for it . Fair enough I guess, we've had what is normally a tax-cutting Conservative government raising the tax burden to it's highest level in nearly 70 years. At what point should we consider cutting spending again...? The wealth of the richest 5% and especially the top 1%has grown massively in the last decade . Tax them more and donβt listen to bullshit about the laffer curve or they will move abroad etc etc
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Post by yattongas on May 17, 2024 11:20:25 GMT
Any chance we could close a few loopholes that allow the big boys to get away with paying next to no Corporate Tax? Itβs difficult, because you get the likes of Super & France parroting bullshit about how difficult the rich have it , how they pay more than the rest added up β¦.. then they vote for this. Meanwhile they get richer , we all get poorer and on and on it goes π
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Post by baggins on May 17, 2024 11:32:35 GMT
Any chance we could close a few loopholes that allow the big boys to get away with paying next to no Corporate Tax? Itβs difficult, because you get the likes of Super & France parroting bullshit about how difficult the rich have it , how they pay more than the rest added up β¦.. then they vote for this. Meanwhile they get richer , we all get poorer and on and on it goes π Like Sir Philip Green you mean?
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Post by oldie on May 17, 2024 12:04:14 GMT
Just like it was in 2010, 2015, 2017 and 2019. How did that go (before you get into a cold sweat, I know it was only 2010 they approached as opposition) Well as early as 2008 there were specific Conservative polices in place on the economy, health, education, law and order, foreign policy - nearly all of which were implemented in the first 18 months of government. Would you like a list with dates and details or can you google it yourself...? When we get to 2015/17/19 they were judged on their achievements in government - which (to be fair) is harder than making promises from opposition.... Let's stick to 2008. Name the top 3 policies they proposed that year and subsequently implemented. Implemented with quantifiable success.
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Post by francegas on May 17, 2024 12:39:39 GMT
Any chance we could close a few loopholes that allow the big boys to get away with paying next to no Corporate Tax? Itβs difficult, because you get the likes of Super & France parroting bullshit about how difficult the rich have it , how they pay more than the rest added up β¦.. then they vote for this. Meanwhile they get richer , we all get poorer and on and on it goes π You'll have to explain that one to me Yatton. When have I said how difficult the rich have it. If you're rambling on about VAT on Private School fees, which you know I'm against, you don't have to be rich to want the best education for your children and send them to a private school. Some people sacrifice a lot in life to give their kids a good education. Sounds very much like the lefty view of being jealous of people with money and don't like how they spend it.
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Post by yattongas on May 17, 2024 12:49:44 GMT
Itβs difficult, because you get the likes of Super & France parroting bullshit about how difficult the rich have it , how they pay more than the rest added up β¦.. then they vote for this. Meanwhile they get richer , we all get poorer and on and on it goes π You'll have to explain that one to me Yatton. When have I said how difficult the rich have it. If you're rambling on about VAT on Private School fees, which you know I'm against, you don't have to be rich to want the best education for your children and send them to a private school. Some people sacrifice a lot in life to give their kids a good education. Sounds very much like the lefty view of being jealous of people with money and don't like how they spend it. Tory Bingo ! As France brings up the wealth jealousy number and private school fees . Couple more ticked off . Just waiting for trickle down economics for a full house π ππ
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Post by francegas on May 17, 2024 12:54:59 GMT
You'll have to explain that one to me Yatton. When have I said how difficult the rich have it. If you're rambling on about VAT on Private School fees, which you know I'm against, you don't have to be rich to want the best education for your children and send them to a private school. Some people sacrifice a lot in life to give their kids a good education. Sounds very much like the lefty view of being jealous of people with money and don't like how they spend it. Tory Bingo ! As France brings up the wealth jealousy number and private school fees . Couple more ticked off . Just waiting for trickle down economics for a full house π ππ So you are jealous of wealth. Thought so. Shame your incapable of having a debate.
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Post by yattongas on May 17, 2024 13:00:53 GMT
Tory Bingo ! As France brings up the wealth jealousy number and private school fees . Couple more ticked off . Just waiting for trickle down economics for a full house π ππ So you are jealous of wealth. Thought so. Shame your incapable of having a debate. Oh gawd π Are you happy with the rich getting more and more wealthy, stashing their money off sure , advocating for cuts to gov spending?
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