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What kind of consequences and for what type of speech?

Awfully vague.

Yes, if you tell your boss to FO then you’re probably getting fired.

On the other hand, you could say you’re opposed to the government in some places and get thrown in jail.

Every action has a consequence.

I’m not sure the point you’re making. “Free speech” as most people understand it is the ability to hold and vocalise an opinion which isn’t conspiracy to commit a crime without criminal consequences.

That old “free speech comes with responsibility” is indeed creepy. It’s a dog whistle for what is basically political censorship.

Nobody ever seriously suggested that freedom of speech meant you could call your wife a ton of names and not get divorced. No need to talk in riddles. It’s pretty obvious what freedom of speech means. More or less.

Do you believe in criminalising speech which doesn’t directly call for criminal acts? That’s the question Hugo.

No need to smoke up the room. It isn’t a myth, it’s what existed in most of the western world until a short time ago. Everyone knew what it meant, which is why the phrase exists.

In fact it used to be possibly the fist principle for what western democracies stood for. That, and democracy and press freedom. Long before it became about tolerance and diversity.

They actually meant something too, rather than merely a slogan.

Also, free speech has never existed in the Western world. There have always been one group who have been set upon since forever for wanting or having a voice.

Right now it's the gammons wanting to say racist stuff or deliberately misgender someone that are being so terribly oppressed.

Tomorrow it will be someone else.

As a liberal lefty wishy washy type I have serious collywobbles about the gap between people who claim to have seen various 'No blacks, No Irish, No Dogs' signs and the actual number of those signs that ever existed.

Let's not invent racism just to suit the agenda.

Am I not allowed to use the term Gammon?

Heaven forfend.

Only used with, eggs chips and beans,plus plenty of strong tea 😉

I like the fact you have brought this back to football. However, I have looked through their website and I can't see where they have any article about freedom of speech.

Stop playing games you narcisstic child

The ‘scientist’ Alfred Kinsey is regarded as one of the pioneers of gender studies and is regarded as the person who created the term ‘gender is a social construct’. He was a rampant paedophile who sexually abused hundreds of children. Look up the Kinsey charts if you want to be truly disgusted and appalled that this sicko existed. The charts document his sexual abuse of children, some younger than 2 years old. For some reason his findings were given credence despite the fact that most of his research on sexual behaviour was either paedophilic or carried out on inmates who were in prison for sexual offences. Members of the same research board used his flawed data and subsequently founded an institution that embedded itself in education and created the sex education syllabus.
John Money then took this flawed data and continued to push it forwards. He abused his power to convince parents of otherwise healthy male twins that 1 who had a circumcision go wrong that they should carry out a irreversible surgery to remove his testicles and raise him as a girl to prove his theory that environment was what determined gender, not biology. Said boy was miserable and confused throughout his childhood and eventually found out that his was biologically male so underwent more surgery to transition back. Long story short both children killed themselves but the published works of John Money before this are still used to prove it was a success.
This is just the tip of the iceberg, but suffice to say I am not a fan of gender ideology and it is demonstrably provable that its roots are deeply embedded in paedophilia and child abuse. That’s why I don’t care if someone is misgendered deliberately or not!

"That’s why I don’t care if someone is misgendered deliberately or not!"

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Ive just read the wikipedia page about Alfred Kinsey. At no point does it mention that he was a pedophile, just that he interviewed them for his research that turned out to be one pedophile.

It mentions that he conducted his studies in an unusual way and it mentions that he chose a large amount of homosexual subjects and it mentions that he was bi sexual and had an open relationship with his wife.

A quick google of dodgy doctors brings up James Marion Sims.

www.history.com/news/the-father-of-modern-gynecology-performed-shocking-experiments-on-slaves

"Few medical doctors have been as lauded—and loathed"

I thought we are supposed to learn from history, not try to rewrite it?