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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Mar 18, 2024 14:54:33 GMT
Just thinking back to the money that Wael and co have put in. Would it have been easier to lose points on financial irregularities then start with a fresh slate. It's worked for a few teams.
Nottingham Forest & Everton could stay up and that'll show it was worth the risk. Bokton have bounced back. Now waiting for the day that the premiership simply do what they want financially and all teams start the season on minus 10 points.
A bit more complex than that I know
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Post by nailseamark on Mar 18, 2024 14:58:42 GMT
I think the risk decreases due to the size of a club and the infrastructure. Other clubs aren’t around today which overspent. The clubs you’ve mentioned have huge fan bases history and facilities. We have nothing so it’s probably not worth the risk for our club.
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Post by singupgas on Mar 18, 2024 15:02:02 GMT
Decent grounds, infrastructure and rich history the difference between us and them. Would we be so fortunate of bouncing back, not in our current state I'm afraid.
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Post by clockendgas on Mar 18, 2024 15:17:13 GMT
Did I read somewhere that the💩 were due a points deduction,for financial reasons?
or did I dream it up,I'm sure I didn't?
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Post by chewbacca on Mar 18, 2024 15:30:41 GMT
Owning a football club is like having a bucket, if the bucket has a hole in it and you don't repair it then the bucket isn't very good. If an owner doesn't have the ability to repair the bucket then it was pretty pointless buying it... Unless you just wanted it to brag about having a bucket.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Mar 18, 2024 15:39:49 GMT
Fair comments regarding fan bases and bigger clubs recovering. In those cases they may just take the punishment on the chin. Regarding the 82ers I think they were one of a few so could be a case of a handful of clubs having the same deduction. Not really a punishment if they all get it.
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Mar 18, 2024 15:49:35 GMT
Owning a football club is like having a bucket, if the bucket has a hole in it and you don't repair it then the bucket isn't very good. If an owner doesn't have the ability to repair the bucket then it was pretty pointless buying it... Unless you just wanted it to brag about having a bucket. It's pronounced 'bouquet'! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 18, 2024 16:32:13 GMT
I don't understand the question, given that we're seemingly debt free why would we be any better with a points deduction and so now facing a relegation fight? Wael's/the ALQ's bank balance would be better but their reputation as international investment bankers would take a hammering.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Mar 18, 2024 17:55:31 GMT
I don't understand the question, given that we're seemingly debt free why would we be any better with a points deduction and so now facing a relegation fight? Wael's/the ALQ's bank balance would be better but their reputation as international investment bankers would take a hammering. I meant before Wael came in and a very general question about punishments. It does seem that bigger clubs are willing to risk overspending as the talent they pay for will justify a points deduction. Just all seems a bit crap at the top. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 18, 2024 18:01:54 GMT
I don't understand the question, given that we're seemingly debt free why would we be any better with a points deduction and so now facing a relegation fight? Wael's/the ALQ's bank balance would be better but their reputation as international investment bankers would take a hammering. I meant before Wael came in and a very general question about punishments. It does seem that bigger clubs are willing to risk overspending as the talent they pay for will justify a points deduction. Just all seems a bit crap at the top. Forest have made a £34m gamble to stay up, it'll be an expensive one if Luton pip them at the death, just a pity Burnley have been so poor this season or they could be virtually relegated already. Clubs like Bolton going bust though poor management seems a different issue I doubt our owners could ever risk a 12 pts deduction as that would mean certain relegation for us. |
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Post by eric on Mar 18, 2024 18:39:26 GMT
I meant before Wael came in and a very general question about punishments. It does seem that bigger clubs are willing to risk overspending as the talent they pay for will justify a points deduction. Just all seems a bit crap at the top. Forest have made a £34m gamble to stay up, it'll be an expensive one if Luton pip them at the death, just a pity Burnley have been so poor this season or they could be virtually relegated already. Clubs like Bolton going bust though poor management seems a different issue I doubt our owners could ever risk a 12 pts deduction as that would mean certain relegation for us. I don’t know whether it’s true but I heard on a radio phone in that if Forest had sold Brennan Johnson a couple of months earlier (and within the date range in question) they would have avoided a rule breach. Instead they waited until later in the window to get a far higher figure, if this is true and the rules are there to protect clubs “sustainability“ this all seems bonkers. |
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Post by badengas on Mar 19, 2024 10:39:10 GMT
I'd go for a one division relegation for any major break of the rules, and a two division relegation for bankruptcy.
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Post by stokegiffordgas on Mar 19, 2024 11:03:06 GMT
I do feel like the better managed clubs are disadvantaged and the punishment should be more severe, without any option to appeal.
Calling out how open and helpful they have been with the investigation (just to try for a lower points deduction) doesn’t cut it for me. And serial offenders eg Wigan should be automatically relegated.
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Post by chewbacca on Mar 19, 2024 11:08:12 GMT
I do feel like the better managed clubs are disadvantaged and the punishment should be more severe, without any option to appeal. Calling out how open and helpful they have been with the investigation (just to try for a lower points deduction) doesn’t cut it for me. And serial offenders eg Wigan should be automatically relegated. Clubs will point at different owners. Should a takeover reset the "serial offenders" tag? How often would it need to happen for that to come in? |
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Post by stokegiffordgas on Mar 19, 2024 12:37:37 GMT
I think to help with that, the fit and proper test for all prospective owners needs tightening up too.
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Post by supergas on Mar 20, 2024 11:15:59 GMT
Did I read somewhere that the💩 were due a points deduction,for financial reasons? or did I dream it up,I'm sure I didn't? They - like pretty much every Championship club - struggled to meet their Financial Fair Play commitments in the rolling period after covid meant there were no fans in stadiums. There were allowances that came in meaning no club suffered from losing 20,000+ ticket income for games when they couldn't sell tickets which is fair enough, but they were worried at one point as Lansdown is still pouring money into the club to keep it at the level they're at... |
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Post by richie on Mar 20, 2024 11:53:56 GMT
I get this, 4 points isnt a punishment is it? consequences if they are relegated but reality is that Forrest will now finish 16th instead of 15th prize money impact is negligible.
the fact that so many teams are worried/impacted by FFF shows that something is seriously wrong.
Genuinely hope a premier league club goes under, it might be the wake up call they all need.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 20, 2024 12:59:30 GMT
I get this, 4 points isnt a punishment is it? consequences if they are relegated but reality is that Forrest will now finish 16th instead of 15th prize money impact is negligible. the fact that so many teams are worried/impacted by FFF shows that something is seriously wrong. Genuinely hope a premier league club goes under, it might be the wake up call they all need. I doubt it would, one person or group, would lose a shed load of money but the club would just regroup like Pompey and Bolton and then work their way back up the pyramid. In the bigger picture is Forest losing an extra £32m really that big an issue when it's just the transfer fee for one player? The Premiership clubs earn so much money it's more likely a EFL club will go under. I'm surprised Rochdale are in danger of going into Admin as they always gave the impression of being a well run club. |
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