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Post by oldie on Apr 4, 2024 5:10:58 GMT
It was rather more than ‘1 remark’ , so much so yesterday you found the post and deleted it, you decided to hide away your thoughts. You were fickle in the extreme. I have total respect for people like Chewbacca who stood by their position, but you changed your mind on the back of a little success and now continue to attack those who did the same. 👍🏾 A reasonable post, and it's one of the things that I must admit I've struggled with. I was one of the anti Barton people from the off those of us that felt that way were quite nastily shouted down. It's hard not to feel a bit "I told you so" and also feel the need for some of the super fan boys to admit that perhaps they were wrong. But instead all we see is "nothing to see here, lets move on". I took some of the sh** I got for not supporting Barton personally at times, and that takes time to heal. Some contrition would help, but I very much doubt that will happen. I don't care for the " I told you so" posts from some, but I definitely understand why people feel that way. 👆👆 This |
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Post by joefrankie on Apr 4, 2024 9:52:10 GMT
Can't believe some of the stuff being said on this thread, or the title of it. "Enough Is Enough??" Unbelievable. The bloke has been in charge for four months. They are not his players. If everything had been going swimmingly, the previous manager wouldn't have been sacked. Get a grip.
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Post by johnmalyckyj on Apr 4, 2024 10:53:45 GMT
Can't believe some of the stuff being said on this thread, or the title of it. "Enough Is Enough??" Unbelievable. The bloke has been in charge for four months. They are not his players. If everything had been going swimmingly, the previous manager wouldn't have been sacked. Get a grip. Exactly, I think people forget just how poor the last three performances were under Barton and he sat on his backside during the whole of his final game at the Mem. Kind regards John Malyckyj |
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Post by socrates on Apr 6, 2024 17:53:21 GMT
I really don’t know what people expect. Looking at our most recent managers in league 1 we’ve had DC - mid table sort of form Coughlan - top 6 form Garner - relegation form Tisdale - relegation form Barton - relegation / marginal survival form Taylor - mid table form. Coughlan has the best record in league 1 of any of those and the majority bitched and moaned about him until he’d had enough and left and that pretty much sums us up as a support well at least on here anyway and I get that this place isn’t totally reflective of our support as a whole. Taylor has taken over an unbalanced side who were 17th at the time has had to deal with a ridiculous amount of injuries to key players and had one January transfer window where he hadn’t been allowed to bring any of his staff in and that window was largely a wasted opportunity because of that. He did however bring one player in in Conteh and I’ve been very impressed with him. Taylor needs the summer window and a decent run of games in to next season before he’s judged in my opinion. |
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Post by gasbaggio on Apr 6, 2024 18:26:49 GMT
I really don’t know what people expect. Looking at our most recent managers in league 1 we’ve had DC - mid table sort of form Coughlan - top 6 form Garner - relegation form Tisdale - relegation form Barton - relegation / marginal survival form Taylor - mid table form. Coughlan has the best record in league 1 of any of those and the majority bitched and moaned about him until he’d had enough and left and that pretty much sums us up as a support well at least on here anyway and I get that this place isn’t totally reflective of our support as a whole. Taylor has taken over an unbalanced side who were 17th at the time has had to deal with a ridiculous amount of injuries to key players and had one January transfer window where he hadn’t been allowed to bring any of his staff in and that window was largely a wasted opportunity because of that. He did however bring one player in in Conteh and I’ve been very impressed with him. Taylor needs the summer window and a decent run of games in to next season before he’s judged in my opinion. When did we last score a goal? He’s made an average squad a poor squad. |
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Post by socrates on Apr 6, 2024 18:35:49 GMT
I really don’t know what people expect. Looking at our most recent managers in league 1 we’ve had DC - mid table sort of form Coughlan - top 6 form Garner - relegation form Tisdale - relegation form Barton - relegation / marginal survival form Taylor - mid table form. Coughlan has the best record in league 1 of any of those and the majority bitched and moaned about him until he’d had enough and left and that pretty much sums us up as a support well at least on here anyway and I get that this place isn’t totally reflective of our support as a whole. Taylor has taken over an unbalanced side who were 17th at the time has had to deal with a ridiculous amount of injuries to key players and had one January transfer window where he hadn’t been allowed to bring any of his staff in and that window was largely a wasted opportunity because of that. He did however bring one player in in Conteh and I’ve been very impressed with him. Taylor needs the summer window and a decent run of games in to next season before he’s judged in my opinion. When did we last score a goal? He’s made an average squad a poor squad. No he’s taken over an average league 1 squad in 17th and taken them a couple of places higher in to a very average position. He hasn’t improved us much because he’s only brought in one player. The most important thing this season for me is we got rid of Barton and have stayed up. Job done and we move forward still in league 1 with a summer window and next season to look forward to, although I think anything higher than mid table next season would probably be punching above our weight as we simply are not a big club in league 1. |
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Post by aforce on Apr 6, 2024 18:51:51 GMT
When did we last score a goal? He’s made an average squad a poor squad. No he’s taken over an average league 1 squad in 17th and taken them a couple of places higher in to a very average position. He hasn’t improved us much because he’s only brought in one player. The most important thing this season for me is we got rid of Barton and have stayed up. Job done and we move forward still in league 1 with a summer window and next season to look forward to, although I think anything higher than mid table next season would probably be punching above our weight as we simply are not a big club in league 1. The Lincoln and Charlton managers have come in and made an impact without windows? He said he only took this job because he believed in this squad… the next week or so labelled them all weak… now he beats a record from the 1920s not scoring a goal in over 6 games. |
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Post by The Equaliser on Apr 6, 2024 19:02:46 GMT
When did we last score a goal? He’s made an average squad a poor squad. No he’s taken over an average league 1 squad in 17th and taken them a couple of places higher in to a very average position. He hasn’t improved us much because he’s only brought in one player. The most important thing this season for me is we got rid of Barton and have stayed up. Job done and we move forward still in league 1 with a summer window and next season to look forward to, although I think anything higher than mid table next season would probably be punching above our weight as we simply are not a big club in league 1. Agree with a lot of your points, however it has to be said when Taylor took over we were 11th (P18 W6 D6 L6 GD +1) 👍🏾 |
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Post by Gassy on Apr 6, 2024 19:31:17 GMT
Goodness me, take me back to promotion or relegation fighting seasons. In the last 10 years we’ve had so much tension with going up and down, you’d have thought midtable mediocracy would appease most fans - that’s what we all said we wanted at the beginning anyway.
Suddenly we get it and it’s play offs after every win and relegation after every loss. Now we can’t realistically do either and it’s just moaning everywhere. In the last 15 years I’ve seen us in far worse positions, both on and off the field - yet somehow we’re talking as if this is the worst it’s ever been.
Why are we so oddly tempered with managers? Fans moaned when Coughlan had us 3rd at Christmas ffs. But then some fans were giving Garner more time than Taylor ffs. Barton came in and we were absolutely atrocious when he took us down, yet most accepted he needed a summer to make his own team. But for some reason, Taylor has taken a midtable team and kept them midtable and now we shouldn’t give him the summer?
I’m not delighted how the season has ended, but the overreaction from some of our fanbase is staggering IMO
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Post by gasbaggio on Apr 6, 2024 19:33:16 GMT
When did we last score a goal? He’s made an average squad a poor squad. No he’s taken over an average league 1 squad in 17th and taken them a couple of places higher in to a very average position. He hasn’t improved us much because he’s only brought in one player. The most important thing this season for me is we got rid of Barton and have stayed up. Job done and we move forward still in league 1 with a summer window and next season to look forward to, although I think anything higher than mid table next season would probably be punching above our weight as we simply are not a big club in league 1. Or he’s not improved us because he can’t? |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 6, 2024 19:36:31 GMT
Goodness me, take me back to promotion or relegation fighting seasons. In the last 10 years we’ve had so much tension with going up and down, you’d have thought midtable mediocracy would appease most fans - that’s what we all said we wanted at the beginning anyway. Suddenly we get it and it’s play offs after every win and relegation after every loss. Now we can’t realistically do either and it’s just moaning everywhere. In the last 15 years I’ve seen us in far worse positions, both on and off the field - yet somehow we’re talking as if this is the worst it’s ever been. Why are we so oddly tempered with managers? Fans moaned when Coughlan had us 3rd at Christmas ffs. But then some fans were giving Garner more time than Taylor ffs. Barton came in and we were absolutely atrocious when he took us down, yet most accepted he needed a summer to make his own team. But for some reason, Taylor has taken a midtable team and kept them midtable and now we shouldn’t give him the summer? I’m not delighted how the season has ended, but the overreaction from some of our fanbase is staggering IMO The worrying part for me is how we are going backwards. 0 goals in 6 games isn't just a bad run, that is awful. I'm not convinced by the new owners or Matt Taylor at this point. Although agree he needs a run with his own team but he should also be able to get more out of what he has, but maybe that's the problem with giving someone (Barton) a free reign to bring in all his own men. I'm just a bit disillusioned with Rovers nowadays, it's all a bit meh and I'm just bored of us. We have no real ambition and have lost our purpose and direction at the moment. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we turn our attention to DC again at some point in the future. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 6, 2024 19:38:20 GMT
When did we last score a goal? He’s made an average squad a poor squad. No he’s taken over an average league 1 squad in 17th and taken them a couple of places higher in to a very average position. He hasn’t improved us much because he’s only brought in one player. The most important thing this season for me is we got rid of Barton and have stayed up. Job done and we move forward still in league 1 with a summer window and next season to look forward to, although I think anything higher than mid table next season would probably be punching above our weight as we simply are not a big club in league 1. Socrates, you're wrong again mate. We were 11th when he took over. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 6, 2024 19:38:30 GMT
When did we last score a goal? He’s made an average squad a poor squad. No he’s taken over an average league 1 squad in 17th and taken them a couple of places higher in to a very average position. He hasn’t improved us much because he’s only brought in one player. The most important thing this season for me is we got rid of Barton and have stayed up. Job done and we move forward still in league 1 with a summer window and next season to look forward to, although I think anything higher than mid table next season would probably be punching above our weight as we simply are not a big club in league 1. Why was it important to get rid of JB? I mainly enjoyed watching Rovers under JB now I couldn't careless if I see them play again this season, and starting to wonder if it'll be any better next season. If today's attendance was only 8,800(?) then assuming all season ticket holders were counted that means less than 6,000 Gasheads actually watched the game this afternoon? |
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Post by socrates on Apr 6, 2024 20:36:10 GMT
No he’s taken over an average league 1 squad in 17th and taken them a couple of places higher in to a very average position. He hasn’t improved us much because he’s only brought in one player. The most important thing this season for me is we got rid of Barton and have stayed up. Job done and we move forward still in league 1 with a summer window and next season to look forward to, although I think anything higher than mid table next season would probably be punching above our weight as we simply are not a big club in league 1. Or he’s not improved us because he can’t? The squad is only as good as it is. I’m not sure that even a top Premier league manager could get this squad in to the top 6 with the players we have and the injuries we’ve had. Taylor’s done alright since he took over, not great but alright. What’s he supposed to have done make Marquis a prolific finisher when he wasn’t for 18 months before Taylor joined ? Make Sinclair Rapid and able to beat his man for pace again ? Roll back the clock and make Wilson more than an aging centre half and not injury prone ? Barton built this squad opened his trap too many times with rubbish flowing from it whilst finishing 17th last season and we were 17th this season when he was sacked and we then hit the winter months had a ridiculous amount of injuries and we find ourselves in mid table with a few games left. Like I said he’s done ok and I look forward to the summer and a transfer window and next season before I judge whether Taylor can take us forwards or not. Barton took us down DC took us down Taylor hasn’t. Be patient. |
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Post by socrates on Apr 6, 2024 20:40:15 GMT
No he’s taken over an average league 1 squad in 17th and taken them a couple of places higher in to a very average position. He hasn’t improved us much because he’s only brought in one player. The most important thing this season for me is we got rid of Barton and have stayed up. Job done and we move forward still in league 1 with a summer window and next season to look forward to, although I think anything higher than mid table next season would probably be punching above our weight as we simply are not a big club in league 1. Socrates, you're wrong again mate. We were 11th when he took over. Ok yeah I meant when Barton was sacked, I was up for giving Mangan the job until the end of the season but he wasn’t fair enough they gave it to Taylor and he’s done a similar job to be fair. Both an improvement on Barton in league 1. I think if Mangan had stayed we’d be around where we are now too. |
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Post by gasbaggio on Apr 6, 2024 21:09:35 GMT
Or he’s not improved us because he can’t? The squad is only as good as it is. I’m not sure that even a top Premier league manager could get this squad in to the top 6 with the players we have and the injuries we’ve had. Taylor’s done alright since he took over, not great but alright. What’s he supposed to have done make Marquis a prolific finisher when he wasn’t for 18 months before Taylor joined ? Make Sinclair Rapid and able to beat his man for pace again ? Roll back the clock and make Wilson more than an aging centre half and not injury prone ? Barton built this squad opened his trap too many times with rubbish flowing from it whilst finishing 17th last season and we were 17th this season when he was sacked and we then hit the winter months had a ridiculous amount of injuries and we find ourselves in mid table with a few games left. Like I said he’s done ok and I look forward to the summer and a transfer window and next season before I judge whether Taylor can take us forwards or not. Barton took us down DC took us down Taylor hasn’t. Be patient. I think Pep would get a song out of this squad. That’s why he is a great manager. Taylor is not and that’s the issue. Cut through the rest of your post; Some managers deliver, some don’t. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 6, 2024 21:35:20 GMT
Socrates, you're wrong again mate. We were 11th when he took over. Ok yeah I meant when Barton was sacked, I was up for giving Mangan the job until the end of the season but he wasn’t fair enough they gave it to Taylor and he’s done a similar job to be fair. Both an improvement on Barton in league 1. I think if Mangan had stayed we’d be around where we are now too.Or with a decent January we could be pushing for a top 6 spot like Lincoln have managed? There's no logic in AM suddenly getting worse once he was appointed as FT manager. |
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Post by aforce on Apr 6, 2024 21:51:59 GMT
Ok yeah I meant when Barton was sacked, I was up for giving Mangan the job until the end of the season but he wasn’t fair enough they gave it to Taylor and he’s done a similar job to be fair. Both an improvement on Barton in league 1. I think if Mangan had stayed we’d be around where we are now too.Or with a decent January we could be pushing for a top 6 spot like Lincoln have managed? There's no logic in AM suddenly getting worse once he was appointed as FT manager. I would prob guess AM ppg was prob better than Taylor’s |
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Post by supergas on Apr 7, 2024 4:09:07 GMT
Or with a decent January we could be pushing for a top 6 spot like Lincoln have managed? There's no logic in AM suddenly getting worse once he was appointed as FT manager. I would prob guess AM ppg was prob better than Taylor’s Five league games for Mangan is way too small a sample to predict what *might* have happened across the rest of the season. What he achieved in the league was P5 W2 D2 L1 GD+1 Pts8 PPG 1.6 Change one of those two wins to a defeat and it's 1PPG and across the season we would be just outside the relegation zone. Change the defeat to a win and it's 2.2PPG and we're two points clear at the top of the table. Way to small a sample size to make any serious judgements and that's even before you consider the opposition (he lost to the only serious promotion contenders) and what was going on off the field... |
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Post by DrFaustus on Apr 7, 2024 8:15:51 GMT
Taylor at Rovers: 23 league games, 24 points. Nathan Jones at Charlton (another manager's squad, blah blah), 12 games, 19 points and only one defeat.
Still, "let's give him a chance".
UTFG regardless of who's managing (or not as is the case currently) 🏴☠️
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