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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 7, 2024 9:33:35 GMT
Taylor seems like a really nice bloke and would always find employment in football I'm sure BUT
Seems like the pressure will be getting very close to tipping point.
Whatever the feeling about this squad being over hyped early on, leaving aside the lack of a striker, these are very capable players.
Barton lost his job, on the football side as the team was performing worse than the sum of their parts. This is now the case with MT
He could assemble his own team next year and we could do ok but management is about more than that.
The greats in management,manage change, crisis and the unforseen.
Feels like we're a couple of games away from a George Friend Caretaker situation
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 7, 2024 9:45:12 GMT
I would prob guess AM ppg was prob better than Taylor’s Five league games for Mangan is way too small a sample to predict what *might* have happened across the rest of the season. What he achieved in the league was P5 W2 D2 L1 GD+1 Pts8 PPG 1.6 Change one of those two wins to a defeat and it's 1PPG and across the season we would be just outside the relegation zone. Change the defeat to a win and it's 2.2PPG and we're two points clear at the top of the table. Way to small a sample size to make any serious judgements and that's even before you consider the opposition (he lost to the only serious promotion contenders) and what was going on off the field... Why's 5 games too short he'd clearly set in motion his ideas and with a good January it's unlikely results would have deteriorated. Regardless how much compensation are we paying AM, Vinter & Whelan, along with JB & EJ, which could have been spent on players wages in January instead? Regardless MT's had 23 games and managed a relegation points haul! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 7, 2024 9:46:41 GMT
Taylor at Rovers: 23 league games, 24 points. Nathan Jones at Charlton (another manager's squad, blah blah), 12 games, 19 points and only one defeat. Still, "let's give him a chance". UTFG regardless of who's managing (or not as is the case currently) 🏴☠️ To be fair Jones seemed to inherit a vastly underperforming squad. Although I doubt Jones had a January window to bring in 4 of his own players, two of which have already disappeared! |
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Apr 7, 2024 9:56:23 GMT
Or he’s not improved us because he can’t? The squad is only as good as it is. I’m not sure that even a top Premier league manager could get this squad in to the top 6 with the players we have and the injuries we’ve had. Taylor’s done alright since he took over, not great but alright. What’s he supposed to have done make Marquis a prolific finisher when he wasn’t for 18 months before Taylor joined ? Make Sinclair Rapid and able to beat his man for pace again ? Roll back the clock and make Wilson more than an aging centre half and not injury prone ? Barton built this squad opened his trap too many times with rubbish flowing from it whilst finishing 17th last season and we were 17th this season when he was sacked and we then hit the winter months had a ridiculous amount of injuries and we find ourselves in mid table with a few games left. Like I said he’s done ok and I look forward to the summer and a transfer window and next season before I judge whether Taylor can take us forwards or not. Barton took us down DC took us down Taylor hasn’t. Be patient. Taylor took Rotherham down this season. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2024 10:06:00 GMT
The squad is only as good as it is. I’m not sure that even a top Premier league manager could get this squad in to the top 6 with the players we have and the injuries we’ve had. Taylor’s done alright since he took over, not great but alright. What’s he supposed to have done make Marquis a prolific finisher when he wasn’t for 18 months before Taylor joined ? Make Sinclair Rapid and able to beat his man for pace again ? Roll back the clock and make Wilson more than an aging centre half and not injury prone ? Barton built this squad opened his trap too many times with rubbish flowing from it whilst finishing 17th last season and we were 17th this season when he was sacked and we then hit the winter months had a ridiculous amount of injuries and we find ourselves in mid table with a few games left. Like I said he’s done ok and I look forward to the summer and a transfer window and next season before I judge whether Taylor can take us forwards or not. Barton took us down DC took us down Taylor hasn’t. Be patient. Taylor took Rotherham down this season. you add in his points total there as well to his here he and must be thankful he is still employed in football |
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Post by socrates on Apr 7, 2024 10:17:25 GMT
The squad is only as good as it is. I’m not sure that even a top Premier league manager could get this squad in to the top 6 with the players we have and the injuries we’ve had. Taylor’s done alright since he took over, not great but alright. What’s he supposed to have done make Marquis a prolific finisher when he wasn’t for 18 months before Taylor joined ? Make Sinclair Rapid and able to beat his man for pace again ? Roll back the clock and make Wilson more than an aging centre half and not injury prone ? Barton built this squad opened his trap too many times with rubbish flowing from it whilst finishing 17th last season and we were 17th this season when he was sacked and we then hit the winter months had a ridiculous amount of injuries and we find ourselves in mid table with a few games left. Like I said he’s done ok and I look forward to the summer and a transfer window and next season before I judge whether Taylor can take us forwards or not. Barton took us down DC took us down Taylor hasn’t. Be patient. Taylor took Rotherham down this season. Well he didn’t have that many games in charge this season before he was sacked but yes he obviously built the squad in the summer. Staying up was always going to be a big ask though as I’d imagine they’ve got one of the smallest budgets in the championship and they were the lowest ranked club at the beginning of the season in terms of odds for promotion / favourites to go down. |
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Apr 7, 2024 14:00:46 GMT
Taylor took Rotherham down this season. Well he didn’t have that many games in charge this season before he was sacked but yes he obviously built the squad in the summer. Staying up was always going to be a big ask though as I’d imagine they’ve got one of the smallest budgets in the championship and they were the lowest ranked club at the beginning of the season in terms of odds for promotion / favourites to go down. So D.c took us down. Joey took us down. Wasn’t Matty’s fault Rotherham going down despite record summer signing. You trust Matty to work on an even smaller budget, harder to attract players to Rovers than Rotherham. What ever fits your agenda. |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Apr 7, 2024 14:07:49 GMT
Well he didn’t have that many games in charge this season before he was sacked but yes he obviously built the squad in the summer. Staying up was always going to be a big ask though as I’d imagine they’ve got one of the smallest budgets in the championship and they were the lowest ranked club at the beginning of the season in terms of odds for promotion / favourites to go down. So D.c took us down. Joey took us down. Wasn’t Matty’s fault Rotherham going down despite record summer signing. You trust Matty to work on an even smaller budget, harder to attract players to Rovers than Rotherham. What ever fits your agenda. Our ramshackle stadium can't help attract players but guess it's the money offered that really matters. |
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Post by gas2 on Apr 7, 2024 14:12:48 GMT
I wonder what the new owners are thinking about the situation we find ourselves in at the moment there investments not looking great at this stage ?
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Post by yattongas on Apr 7, 2024 14:41:19 GMT
Taylor seems like a really nice bloke and would always find employment in football I'm sure BUT Seems like the pressure will be getting very close to tipping point. Whatever the feeling about this squad being over hyped early on, leaving aside the lack of a striker, these are very capable players. Barton lost his job, on the football side as the team was performing worse than the sum of their parts. This is now the case with MT He could assemble his own team next year and we could do ok but management is about more than that. The greats in management,manage change, crisis and the unforseen. Feels like we're a couple of games away from a George Friend Caretaker situation Nonsense. Nobody but for a few posters on here think we’re anywhere near a ‘tipping point’. The vast majority of the fan base realise this isn’t his squad and he needs the summer to change things. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 7, 2024 14:46:40 GMT
So D.c took us down. Joey took us down. Wasn’t Matty’s fault Rotherham going down despite record summer signing. You trust Matty to work on an even smaller budget, harder to attract players to Rovers than Rotherham. What ever fits your agenda. Our ramshackle stadium can't help attract players but guess it's the money offered that really matters. Do players really look at the stadium or the contract etc being offered? Apart from the likes of Wigan and Reading is the Mem really that inferior as far as players are concerned anyway? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 7, 2024 14:50:27 GMT
Taylor seems like a really nice bloke and would always find employment in football I'm sure BUT Seems like the pressure will be getting very close to tipping point. Whatever the feeling about this squad being over hyped early on, leaving aside the lack of a striker, these are very capable players. Barton lost his job, on the football side as the team was performing worse than the sum of their parts. This is now the case with MT He could assemble his own team next year and we could do ok but management is about more than that. The greats in management,manage change, crisis and the unforseen. Feels like we're a couple of games away from a George Friend Caretaker situation Nonsense. Nobody but for a few posters on here think we’re anywhere near a ‘tipping point’. The vast majority of the fan base realise this isn’t his squad and he needs the summer to change things. When did you do a poll asking them all for their views? I get the impression most fans couldn't careless if MT is in charge next season or not, but most would be over the moon if DC returned, should he leave Cheltenham this summer. I'd imagine season ticket sales are the worst since we were promoted, even with the added attraction of the new South Stand. That's got to be causing the new owners some concern. |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 7, 2024 14:51:06 GMT
Nonsense. Nobody but for a few posters on here think we’re anywhere near a ‘tipping point’. The vast majority of the fan base realise this isn’t his squad and he needs the summer to change things. When did you do a poll asking them all for their views? I get the impression most fans couldn't careless if MT is in charge next season or not, but most would be over the moon if DC returned, should he leave Cheltenham this summer. I'd imagine season ticket sales are the worst since we were promoted, even with the added attraction of the new South Stand. That's got to be causing the new owners some concern. |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 7, 2024 14:52:13 GMT
When did you do a poll asking them all for their views? I get the impression most fans couldn't careless if MT is in charge next season or not, but most would be over the moon if DC returned, should he leave Cheltenham this summer. I'd imagine season ticket sales are the worst since we were promoted, even with the added attraction of the new South Stand. That's got to be causing the new owners some concern. 🥱 Hi topper 🙄 |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Apr 7, 2024 15:20:11 GMT
So D.c took us down. Joey took us down. Wasn’t Matty’s fault Rotherham going down despite record summer signing. You trust Matty to work on an even smaller budget, harder to attract players to Rovers than Rotherham. What ever fits your agenda. Our ramshackle stadium can't help attract players but guess it's the money offered that really matters. Players are only at the stadium for a few hours, once a fortnight, on average. They like the atmosphere generated on the Thatcher's, and the fact that our crowds are reasonably decent, for the level we play at. What is in the contract is the most important thing. |
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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 7, 2024 15:22:14 GMT
Taylor seems like a really nice bloke and would always find employment in football I'm sure BUT Seems like the pressure will be getting very close to tipping point. Whatever the feeling about this squad being over hyped early on, leaving aside the lack of a striker, these are very capable players. Barton lost his job, on the football side as the team was performing worse than the sum of their parts. This is now the case with MT He could assemble his own team next year and we could do ok but management is about more than that. The greats in management,manage change, crisis and the unforseen. Feels like we're a couple of games away from a George Friend Caretaker situation Nonsense. Nobody but for a few posters on here think we’re anywhere near a ‘tipping point’. The vast majority of the fan base realise this isn’t his squad and he needs the summer to change things. I can only admire you're optimism. It always makes me laugh when I hear managers talk about their own squad. Firstly, it means that manager can get/afford the players he wants. Secondly that those players have any interest in playing for the manager. These lower league managers talk like they're Alec Ferguson.Talented Managers get what they've got working for them. Gerry was an example of that. Took over a really poor squad and turned them around. Then once they were up and running started adding to the squad. Taylor is no Francis sadly |
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Post by socrates on Apr 7, 2024 15:22:30 GMT
Well he didn’t have that many games in charge this season before he was sacked but yes he obviously built the squad in the summer. Staying up was always going to be a big ask though as I’d imagine they’ve got one of the smallest budgets in the championship and they were the lowest ranked club at the beginning of the season in terms of odds for promotion / favourites to go down. So D.c took us down. Joey took us down. Wasn’t Matty’s fault Rotherham going down despite record summer signing. You trust Matty to work on an even smaller budget, harder to attract players to Rovers than Rotherham. What ever fits your agenda. I have no agenda. DC took us down as did Barton but they were both given a chance to bring us back up. Taylor has us in mid table and many seem to want him gone. That was my point. Patience is key but most fans and owners have none these days unfortunately. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 7, 2024 15:29:35 GMT
So D.c took us down. Joey took us down. Wasn’t Matty’s fault Rotherham going down despite record summer signing. You trust Matty to work on an even smaller budget, harder to attract players to Rovers than Rotherham. What ever fits your agenda. I have no agenda. DC took us down as did Barton but they were both given a chance to bring us back up. Taylor has us in mid table and many seem to want him gone. That was my point. Patience is key but most fans and owners have none these days unfortunately. Playing devil's advocate Socrates we haven't scored a goal in 10 hours of football. How bloody patient should we be?! |
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 7, 2024 15:40:04 GMT
I have no agenda. DC took us down as did Barton but they were both given a chance to bring us back up. Taylor has us in mid table and many seem to want him gone. That was my point. Patience is key but most fans and owners have none these days unfortunately. Playing devil's advocate Socrates we haven't scored a goal in 10 hours of football. How bloody patient should we be?! That's what happens when you don't sign strikers, you don't score goals. Especially when you sell your prized asset striker mid season and don't replace him. |
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Post by The Equaliser on Apr 7, 2024 15:43:39 GMT
Playing devil's advocate Socrates we haven't scored a goal in 10 hours of football. How bloody patient should we be?! That's what happens when you don't sign strikers, you don't score goals. Especially when you sell your prized asset striker mid season and don't replace him. We scored 9 goals in 6 games after Aaron left, so we ‘were’ scoring goals. Sadly we have failed to find the back of the net in the following 6 games. Same players available 🤷🏽♀️ |
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