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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 10, 2024 9:39:01 GMT
In reality if Jed ward is our first choice no1 and Harvey Greenslade is first choice striker then Vanarama Conference ere we come Why not rely on youth players? Yes, some will fail, but as we can see on the pitch at the moment so do many older players who cost a lot more... [edit] also Harvey Greenslade has two goals in ten starts for Oxford City....one goal every five games....better than our whole starting XI at the moment... 1 goal in 5 at Conf level is hardly gonna be good enough for L1. Young players should have to earn their place notnjust be given away. |
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Post by supergas on Apr 10, 2024 9:40:57 GMT
Why not rely on youth players? Yes, some will fail, but as we can see on the pitch at the moment so do many older players who cost a lot more... [edit] also Harvey Greenslade has two goals in ten starts for Oxford City....one goal every five games....better than our whole starting XI at the moment... 1 goal in 5 at Conf level is hardly gonna be good enough for L1. Young players should have to earn their place notnjust be given away. ...then how does he earn his place? |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 10, 2024 9:42:39 GMT
1 goal in 5 at Conf level is hardly gonna be good enough for L1. Young players should have to earn their place notnjust be given away. ...then how does he earn his place? By impressing enough that he gets given a chance. I would say he needs to get at least 15-20 goals at that level to be given a chance at L1. Plenty of players that have scored more than that in the conf and struggled in L2 even. |
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Post by supergas on Apr 10, 2024 10:05:27 GMT
...then how does he earn his place? By impressing enough that he gets given a chance. I would say he needs to get at least 15-20 goals at that level to be given a chance at L1. Plenty of players that have scored more than that in the conf and struggled in L2 even. ...but no reason not to give him a couple of starts to see how he goes at this level. Can't be much worse than anyone else in the squad at the moment... If he holds his own then at least he's in the shop window for a loan to a club that's ranked higher than Oxford City next season. If he's out of his depth in league one we go back to the drawing board and another loan to a lower National League club. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 10, 2024 10:06:46 GMT
By impressing enough that he gets given a chance. I would say he needs to get at least 15-20 goals at that level to be given a chance at L1. Plenty of players that have scored more than that in the conf and struggled in L2 even. ...but no reason not to give him a couple of starts to see how he goes at this level. Can't be much worse than anyone else in the squad at the moment... If he holds his own then at least he's in the shop window for a loan to a club that's ranked higher than Oxford City next season. If he's out of his depth in league one we go back to the drawing board and another loan to a lower National League club. Then we're just adjusting ourselves to being used a lower standard of player. I never believe in the let's play them because the current crop are crap, need to earn it. |
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Post by supergas on Apr 10, 2024 10:08:44 GMT
...but no reason not to give him a couple of starts to see how he goes at this level. Can't be much worse than anyone else in the squad at the moment... If he holds his own then at least he's in the shop window for a loan to a club that's ranked higher than Oxford City next season. If he's out of his depth in league one we go back to the drawing board and another loan to a lower National League club. Then we're just adjusting ourselves to being used a lower standard of player. I never believe in the let's play them because the current crop are crap, need to earn it. Good job you've never managed Man Utd then.... |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 10, 2024 10:09:23 GMT
Then we're just adjusting ourselves to being used a lower standard of player. I never believe in the let's play them because the current crop are crap, need to earn it. Good job you've never managed Man Utd then.... Why? |
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Post by supergas on Apr 10, 2024 11:09:48 GMT
Good job you've never managed Man Utd then.... Why? The 'Class of 92' would have been sent out on loan for their first few seasons rather than winning things... |
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Post by Gas-Ed on Apr 10, 2024 11:25:55 GMT
The 'Class of 92' would have been sent out on loan for their first few seasons rather than winning things... Scholes went to Port Vale and Becks went to Preston. The difference is that crop of players were remarkable and such was the confidence in them, the likes of Kanchelskis, Hughes, Robson etc were sold to make way for them. Greenslade has done nothing. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 10, 2024 11:49:02 GMT
The 'Class of 92' would have been sent out on loan for their first few seasons rather than winning things... Scholes went to Port Vale and Becks went to Preston. The difference is that crop of players were remarkable and such was the confidence in them, the likes of Kanchelskis, Hughes, Robson etc were sold to make way for them. Greenslade has done nothing. Exactly this. Sorry supergas but that argument and comparison is very poor. That youth team won a lot at youth level together and as above some of those players went out on loan first to prove themselves. |
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 10, 2024 11:51:04 GMT
The 'Class of 92' would have been sent out on loan for their first few seasons rather than winning things... and Becks went to Preston. The difference is that crop of players were remarkable and such was the confidence in them, the likes of Kanchelskis, Hughes, Robson etc were sold to make way for them. Greenslade has done nothing. To make his debut for Manchester United in the League Cup scoring twice. |
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Post by CheshireGas on Apr 10, 2024 12:00:36 GMT
Scholes went to Port Vale and Becks went to Preston. The difference is that crop of players were remarkable and such was the confidence in them, the likes of Kanchelskis, Hughes, Robson etc were sold to make way for them. Greenslade has done nothing. Exactly this. Sorry supergas but that argument and comparison is very poor. That youth team won a lot at youth level together and as above some of those players went out on loan first to prove themselves. Also we are not Man Utd, our kids are not at the level of '92, and MT is not Alex Ferguson!! |
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Post by Gas-Ed on Apr 10, 2024 12:04:28 GMT
Scholes went to Port Vale and Becks went to Preston. The difference is that crop of players were remarkable and such was the confidence in them, the likes of Kanchelskis, Hughes, Robson etc were sold to make way for them. Greenslade has done nothing. To make his debut for Manchester United in the League Cup scoring twice. True. |
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Post by gassedOut on Apr 10, 2024 13:00:09 GMT
...but no reason not to give him a couple of starts to see how he goes at this level. Can't be much worse than anyone else in the squad at the moment... If he holds his own then at least he's in the shop window for a loan to a club that's ranked higher than Oxford City next season. If he's out of his depth in league one we go back to the drawing board and another loan to a lower National League club. Then we're just adjusting ourselves to being used a lower standard of player. I never believe in the let's play them because the current crop are crap, need to earn it. 2 points, you say 1 goal in five but go a game back its 2 in 6 and 2 assists, would be a lot more if they others would put the chances away. Those two games he scored he was playing as a striker, In fact at Barnet he was playing left Wing until Josh Parker (Striker) went off injured in Second half and played as a striker second half. Oxford have used him as a left winger right winger and Number 10 playing very little up front. That said, i see a few saying how does he earn it. Well lets talk about who has earned it that we have bought in, Brandon Aguilera has only scored 1 goal in this country, and 7 Goals in 79 games in total! 6 of which is playing in a costa Rican Park. we will move to Harvey Vale, 27 k a week Chelsea player should be ripping this level to pieces, God knows how much we are paying towards it? 2 goals in 25 games? none for Hull who sent him back after a couple of weeks and no real competitive Football for Chelsea so how did he Earn it? I'm Just curious? |
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Post by gassedOut on Apr 10, 2024 13:12:03 GMT
Then we're just adjusting ourselves to being used a lower standard of player. I never believe in the let's play them because the current crop are crap, need to earn it. 2 points, you say 1 goal in five but go a game back its 2 in 6 and 2 assists, would be a lot more if they others would put the chances away. Those two games he scored he was playing as a striker, In fact at Barnet he was playing left Wing until Josh Parker (Striker) went off injured in Second half and played as a striker second half. Oxford have used him as a left winger right winger and Number 10 playing very little up front. That said, i see a few saying how does he earn it. Well lets talk about who has earned it that we have bought in, Brandon Aguilera has only scored 1 goal in this country, and 7 Goals in 79 games in total! 6 of which is playing in a costa Rican Park. we will move to Harvey Vale, 27 k a week Chelsea player should be ripping this level to pieces, God knows how much we are paying towards it? 2 goals in 25 games? none for Hull who sent him back after a couple of weeks and no real competitive Football for Chelsea so how did he Earn it? I'm Just curious? I would also add as a youngster who would like to play for us at the moment, we can hardly string 5 passes together. You are sometimes only as good as what is around you which on the last couple of months performances is not very good! |
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Post by supergas on Apr 11, 2024 9:07:46 GMT
Scholes went to Port Vale and Becks went to Preston. The difference is that crop of players were remarkable and such was the confidence in them, the likes of Kanchelskis, Hughes, Robson etc were sold to make way for them. Greenslade has done nothing. Exactly this. Sorry supergas but that argument and comparison is very poor. That youth team won a lot at youth level together and as above some of those players went out on loan first to prove themselves. Levels are relative. I'm not saying Greenslade or any other youth team player is world-class, but I am all in favour of them being given a chance in and around the first team - otherwise why are they at the club? Beckham played five games at Preston and then straight into the Man Utd first team for 30+ games for the next eight seasons. Don't remember Scholes at Port Vale, but the details are irrelevant - there is no point us developing youth players who are 3-4 years away from being ready for League One. It's physical. It's more often substance over style. But if we're afraid to drop youth players into the first XI from time to time it does beg the question why they are contracted at all.... |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Apr 11, 2024 10:35:24 GMT
Down here,Torquay are at an even lower ebb than us.Since Christmas they have lost their owner,entered Administration,lost manager Gary Johnson, been deducted ten points and sit just two points above the National League South relegation zone.Think they accompanied us when we lost our league status so very difficult times for them.A consortium of fans have announced plans to launch a bid for ownership to 'Create a Community owned club for the future.'
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