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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 7, 2024 16:04:13 GMT
Playing devil's advocate Socrates we haven't scored a goal in 10 hours of football. How bloody patient should we be?! That's what happens when you don't sign strikers, you don't score goals. Especially when you sell your prized asset striker mid season and don't replace him. 10 hours though mate. I get we haven't done enough off the pitch but please stop and have a think how long that is without scoring a goal. Some people could run 5 marathons in that time (not me). |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 7, 2024 16:19:55 GMT
So D.c took us down. Joey took us down. Wasn’t Matty’s fault Rotherham going down despite record summer signing. You trust Matty to work on an even smaller budget, harder to attract players to Rovers than Rotherham. What ever fits your agenda. I have no agenda. DC took us down as did Barton but they were both given a chance to bring us back up. Taylor has us in mid table and many seem to want him gone. That was my point. Patience is key but most fans and owners have none these days unfortunately. We were virtually relegated when DC was appointed, Wael clearly decided to stand by JB when even DM at Peterborough was saying he would have dismissed him. Plus JB inherited a shocking squad thanks to BG then lost Nicholson to injury, I'm not sure this is a poor squad just poorly managed. |
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Post by bluetooth0077 on Apr 7, 2024 16:23:02 GMT
6 games and counting ridiculous but happy clappers will find some positives. I'm not as emotionally involved nowadays so roll on the next 6,...........
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Post by bobbyjones on Apr 7, 2024 17:39:43 GMT
Nonsense. Nobody but for a few posters on here think we’re anywhere near a ‘tipping point’. The vast majority of the fan base realise this isn’t his squad and he needs the summer to change things. When did you do a poll asking them all for their views? I get the impression most fans couldn't careless if MT is in charge next season or not, but most would be over the moon if DC returned, should he leave Cheltenham this summer. I'd imagine season ticket sales are the worst since we were promoted, even with the added attraction of the new South Stand. That's got to be causing the new owners some concern. Never go back, it will not work. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Apr 7, 2024 17:42:24 GMT
When did you do a poll asking them all for their views? I get the impression most fans couldn't careless if MT is in charge next season or not, but most would be over the moon if DC returned, should he leave Cheltenham this summer. I'd imagine season ticket sales are the worst since we were promoted, even with the added attraction of the new South Stand. That's got to be causing the new owners some concern. Never go back, it will not work. I love DC, but would hate him to tarnish the memories we have of him. I remember how awful it was with Gerry 2nd time around. |
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Post by gasify on Apr 7, 2024 17:43:57 GMT
I have no agenda. DC took us down as did Barton but they were both given a chance to bring us back up. Taylor has us in mid table and many seem to want him gone. That was my point. Patience is key but most fans and owners have none these days unfortunately. We were virtually relegated when DC was appointed, Wael clearly decided to stand by JB when even DM at Peterborough was saying he would have dismissed him. Plus JB inherited a shocking squad thanks to BG then lost Nicholson to injury, I'm not sure this is a poor squad just poorly managed. Topper, remind me. What was the PPG when Garner was in charge of that squad and what was the PPG of that same squad under JB? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 7, 2024 17:54:34 GMT
We were virtually relegated when DC was appointed, Wael clearly decided to stand by JB when even DM at Peterborough was saying he would have dismissed him. Plus JB inherited a shocking squad thanks to BG then lost Nicholson to injury, I'm not sure this is a poor squad just poorly managed. Topper, remind me. What was the PPG when Garner was in charge of that squad and what was the PPG of that same squad under JB? Remind me how many were still in the promotion squad the following season? BG has hardly gone on to prove he's a decent manager, the squad he put together at Colchester this summer looks like it could well drop out of the league, at least JB's squad should stay in L1. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 7, 2024 19:00:13 GMT
When did you do a poll asking them all for their views? I get the impression most fans couldn't careless if MT is in charge next season or not, but most would be over the moon if DC returned, should he leave Cheltenham this summer. I'd imagine season ticket sales are the worst since we were promoted, even with the added attraction of the new South Stand. That's got to be causing the new owners some concern. Never go back, it will not work. No reason it wouldn't work any more than any other manager. In fact one thing DC would have in his favour is the backing of the fans over the players if they ever played up. |
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Post by stevek192 on Apr 7, 2024 19:23:12 GMT
.Dc tarnished his record with us the season he was sacked when we were bloody awful. Cant see why anyone would want him back as he was a good non league and League 2 Manager but very poor in League 1 and the reason was because he had a wonderful knowledge of the Non League players and most of those players were also good enough to give League 2 a try. The problem was when we went to League 1 he had very little knowledge of players that were good enough to play in that division. IMO our gig mistake was having sacked JB we should have gone for a manager like Karl Robinson and not for a Manager who had been sacked having just rebuilt a team (Rotherham) who have been crap and now expect him to rebuild us!! Our owners are clueless when it comes to football.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Apr 7, 2024 19:28:59 GMT
.Dc tarnished his record with us the season he was sacked when we were bloody awful. Cant see why anyone would want him back as he was a good non league and League 2 Manager but very poor in League 1 and the reason was because he had a wonderful knowledge of the Non League players and most of those players were also good enough to give League 2 a try. The problem was when we went to League 1 he had very little knowledge of players that were good enough to play in that division. IMO our gig mistake was having sacked JB we should have gone for a manager like Karl Robinson and not for a Manager who had been sacked having just rebuilt a team (Rotherham) who have been crap and now expect him to rebuild us!! Our owners are clueless when it comes to football. I love D.C. but I think your right about him when it comes to management in league one ! always wish him the best tho! 💙👍 |
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Post by DrFaustus on Apr 7, 2024 19:33:02 GMT
We finished 10th in Darrell's first season in League 1. Sorry Steve, you're not quite right!
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Post by stevek192 on Apr 7, 2024 19:54:02 GMT
We were not 10th in the season he was sacked in League 1 we were dreadful and were thrashed at home in his last game and he was kept on too long that season and had it not been for his success with us would have been sacked earlier. I stand by my good League 2 Manager but no good any higher. Nice bloke and a true Gashead but not the answer now.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 7, 2024 20:16:24 GMT
Karl Robinson's record at Salford in L2 is really no better than MT's or DC's in L1 this season, W6, D6, L6.
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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 7, 2024 20:23:21 GMT
We were not 10th in the season he was sacked in League 1 we were dreadful and were thrashed at home in his last game and he was kept on too long that season and had it not been for his success with us would have been sacked earlier. I stand by my good League 2 Manager but no good any higher. Nice bloke and a true Gashead but not the answer now. Think that was the 4-0 home defeat to Doncaster and a certain John Marquis scored a goal or two. |
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Post by gasify on Apr 7, 2024 21:09:43 GMT
Topper, remind me. What was the PPG when Garner was in charge of that squad and what was the PPG of that same squad under JB? Remind me how many were still in the promotion squad the following season? BG has hardly gone on to prove he's a decent manager, the squad he put together at Colchester this summer looks like it could well drop out of the league, at least JB's squad should stay in L1. I take it that you realise the points per game under Garner were enough to keep us up. JB was a Grifter here and continues to be a Grifter. I remember him apparently saying that if he wasn't good enough he would tender his resignation. Well, turns out he wasn't good enough and that 'promise' was hollow. This 'multi millionaire' is still taking a wage until Jan 25. Garners Swindon beat us, didn't they? Garners ppg at Swindle was 1.7? |
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 7, 2024 22:44:45 GMT
I have no agenda. DC took us down as did Barton but they were both given a chance to bring us back up. Taylor has us in mid table and many seem to want him gone. That was my point. Patience is key but most fans and owners have none these days unfortunately. We were virtually relegated when DC was appointed, Wael clearly decided to stand by JB when even DM at Peterborough was saying he would have dismissed him. Plus JB inherited a shocking squad thanks to BG then lost Nicholson to injury, I'm not sure this is a poor squad just poorly managed. We weren't nearly relegated when DC took over, we capitulated in the last 8 games and went down on a record 51 points. JB did inherit a shocking squad but he also pretty much threw the towel in. This squad is a bang average squad which is devoid of any strength despite the bluster JB gave us about it being the toughest squad we'll ever see with leaders all over the pitch. Ward, Hunt, Wilson and Friend have an average appearance ratio of 23 games a season. He handed each of them contracts, in some cases 2 years or more. Rossiter and Grant were already a permanent injury cases. That's 6 players taking up budget who only play half a season. It's a madness so bad I can't believe someone actually signed off on it. Marquis was never good enough and should have been replaced, he wasn't. He gave a contract to Trevor Clarke then didn't want him and went on holiday to Ireland but we still didn't get another left back. Another load of budget. Crama, injured or incapable. Finley no longer good enough. Ostracised Belshaw and brought in a duff replacement in Cox. Woods and Bogarde too busy living off their PL earnings to give a rats arse. None of those players are getting in a team in the top 10 and yet some are deluded enough to think that this squad should have punched into the play offs. I'd bin off every player I've just mentioned if they haven't gone already. |
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Post by scottleroc on Apr 8, 2024 0:20:09 GMT
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Post by supergas on Apr 8, 2024 2:18:50 GMT
Five league games for Mangan is way too small a sample to predict what *might* have happened across the rest of the season. What he achieved in the league was P5 W2 D2 L1 GD+1 Pts8 PPG 1.6 Change one of those two wins to a defeat and it's 1PPG and across the season we would be just outside the relegation zone. Change the defeat to a win and it's 2.2PPG and we're two points clear at the top of the table. Way to small a sample size to make any serious judgements and that's even before you consider the opposition (he lost to the only serious promotion contenders) and what was going on off the field... he'd clearly set in motion his ideas and with a good January it's unlikely results would have deteriorated. Regardless how much compensation are we paying AM, Vinter & Whelan, along with JB & EJ, which could have been spent on players wages in January instead? Regardless MT's had 23 games and managed a relegation points haul!Why is five games too short? I gave the reason - change one result and when you extrapolate across a full season we could either be top or nearly bottom... Oh and Taylor has 1.2PPG, which scaled up to the 42 games most teams have currently played would put us 16th ( not in the relagation zone) - in fact just one place lower than we currently are... We were virtually relegated when DC was appointed, Wael clearly decided to stand by JB when even DM at Peterborough was saying he would have dismissed him. Plus JB inherited a shocking squad thanks to BG then lost Nicholson to injury, I'm not sure this is a poor squad just poorly managed. ...that's rewriting history a bit...we had a 3point/10goal margin of safety and seven of those last eight games were against teams in the bottom half of the table... |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 8, 2024 3:19:15 GMT
Never go back, it will not work. I love DC, but would hate him to tarnish the memories we have of him. I remember how awful it was with Gerry 2nd time around. There's been plenty of instances where managers have returned to clubs and been pretty successful.
Just off the top of my head in quite recent memory, Jose Mourinho(Chelsea), Harry Redknapp(Portsmouth), Eddie Howe(Bournemouth), David Moyes(West Ham), Nathan Jones(Luton), Darren Ferguson(Peterborough -Multiple times), John Coleman(Accrington), Paul Cook(Chesterfield) etc
I think the old Football adage 'Never go back' is actually a myth.
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Post by DrFaustus on Apr 8, 2024 6:36:48 GMT
We were not 10th in the season he was sacked in League 1 we were dreadful and were thrashed at home in his last game and he was kept on too long that season and had it not been for his success with us would have been sacked earlier. I stand by my good League 2 Manager but no good any higher. Nice bloke and a true Gashead but not the answer now. Our highest league finish this century was under Darrell. Still, you know best Steve. "Couldn't manage in League 1". 🤡 |
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