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Post by gasgas3 on Jul 1, 2024 22:34:53 GMT
Got to make a decision early on. WSM a great club at a very good level for a 16 year old. Hope he does well.
Probably the right move playing Mens football at his age now rather than play U18s for the next 2 years. If he stayed then was released he probably would be trying to find a club at step 4-6 anyway.
At least this way he is 2 years ahead in the mens game. Love the Gas of course I do. But the pathway for the youngsters is almost non existent, unless as a club they make a decision as to what they want.
Compensation for a u16s at a cat 3 club I wouldn’t have thought any more than 10k, could be wrong, but I wonder how often at this level that sort of money changes hands.
Good luck to him, right decision for me. Coaches at our club just come and go with to much regularity. I’m sure it is the same elsewhere though.
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Post by percy on Sept 18, 2024 13:03:13 GMT
Nice article and interview with Ollie Dewsbury and the clubs plan for him...
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Post by mftc on Sept 28, 2024 13:43:25 GMT
See quite a few of the youngsters have gone on loan. Will be interesting to see how their spells away from the club goes.
I would have thought Jerry Lawrence at 19 would have gone to a higher standard. I believe he has gone to Yate? Maybe he is just someone that needs to make steady moves up the leagues? I think Alfie was similar and did not play in the National league until 21? before a few games for us at the end of that season, if memory serves.
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Post by Quarters on Sept 28, 2024 13:51:48 GMT
Ellison starts for Aldershot
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Post by gassedOut on Oct 1, 2024 8:52:58 GMT
Ellison starts for Aldershot Played Very Well against Yeovil, Tried to Give Frank Nouble a hard time which is no mean feat! Good Distribution as well. Looked like he could give away a few Dangerous fouls around the box but one thing I did like was that he nearly scored twice and he's not the biggest but competes very well in the opposition box at set plays. Looked comfortable at that level. With Regards to the 2 boys loan moves, For Dewsbury a good time to shine and at 16 Regular men's football will be good for him and its a pretty good Yate side that are doing well so he does have an opportunity there! Disappointing for Jerry as he was playing at the same level last year and hasn't really kicked on. Chippenham or Bath would have been better moves for him but not sure why he has not progressed? |
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Post by gasmania on Oct 1, 2024 22:13:26 GMT
Well Done to Ollie Dewsbury who scored for Yate tonight 💪
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Post by negas on Oct 2, 2024 18:32:26 GMT
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Post by neilv93 on Oct 3, 2024 7:17:44 GMT
Shame he's never kicked on. 19 now and never properly featured above SL Prem beyond the odd game for us. Thought he was gonna break through under Joey. |
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Post by negas on Oct 3, 2024 10:44:29 GMT
Shame he's never kicked on. 19 now and never properly featured above SL Prem beyond the odd game for us. Thought he was gonna break through under Joey. Funnily enough Lucas Tomlinson is also at Yate. Was surprised he didn’t kick on, especially having had an impressive loan at Gloucester before his release |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Oct 3, 2024 12:32:01 GMT
Shame he's never kicked on. 19 now and never properly featured above SL Prem beyond the odd game for us. Thought he was gonna break through under Joey. Funnily enough Lucas Tomlinson is also at Yate. Was surprised he didn’t kick on, especially having had an impressive loan at Gloucester before his release Surprised is putting it mildly! I was shocked! Thought he was a great prospect , sadly joins a long list of Rovers youngsters who suffered a similar fate., before anyone comes back with 'if they are good enough they would etc , seem to remember the Liverpool lad we had being slated on here, not good enough for us yet now been picked for England squads! think our record with youngsters 'fulfilling their potential is shocking in recent years. |
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Post by mftc on Oct 3, 2024 13:25:47 GMT
Ellison starts for Aldershot Played Very Well against Yeovil, Tried to Give Frank Nouble a hard time which is no mean feat! Good Distribution as well. Looked like he could give away a few Dangerous fouls around the box but one thing I did like was that he nearly scored twice and he's not the biggest but competes very well in the opposition box at set plays. Looked comfortable at that level. With Regards to the 2 boys loan moves, For Dewsbury a good time to shine and at 16 Regular men's football will be good for him and its a pretty good Yate side that are doing well so he does have an opportunity there! Disappointing for Jerry as he was playing at the same level last year and hasn't really kicked on. Chippenham or Bath would have been better moves for him but not sure why he has not progressed? I assume he will not be allowed to play in the FA cup on Sat at home v Bath. FGR v Weymouth and Taunton at home v Maidenhead. Could be some local interest in the first round. Weston and Yeovil are both away but are awaiting replays to know their opponents. Barnet, Sutton or Hartlepool could be a tricky away draw. |
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Post by eric on Oct 3, 2024 15:11:43 GMT
Funnily enough Lucas Tomlinson is also at Yate. Was surprised he didn’t kick on, especially having had an impressive loan at Gloucester before his release Surprised is putting it mildly! I was shocked! Thought he was a great prospect , sadly joins a long list of Rovers youngsters who suffered a similar fate., before anyone comes back with 'if they are good enough they would etc , seem to remember the Liverpool lad we had being slated on here, not good enough for us yet now been picked for England squads! think our record with youngsters 'fulfilling their potential is shocking in recent years. Would you not expect at least one out of loads released in similar fashion to have bounced back and proved us wrong by being successful elsewhere? |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Oct 3, 2024 16:37:17 GMT
Surprised is putting it mildly! I was shocked! Thought he was a great prospect , sadly joins a long list of Rovers youngsters who suffered a similar fate., before anyone comes back with 'if they are good enough they would etc , seem to remember the Liverpool lad we had being slated on here, not good enough for us yet now been picked for England squads! think our record with youngsters 'fulfilling their potential is shocking in recent years. Would you not expect at least one out of loads released in similar fashion to have bounced back and proved us wrong by being successful elsewhere? Yep Fair point and I hope one or two do, i can only imagine the devastation when being released especially after coming through the ranks from a very young age, self esteem must drop to levels that some find hard to overcome, suppose you could say if they want it bad enough they will pick themselves up .dust themselves down etc ! and say to themselves 'I'll bloody show em! |
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Post by eric on Oct 3, 2024 18:02:24 GMT
Would you not expect at least one out of loads released in similar fashion to have bounced back and proved us wrong by being successful elsewhere? Yep Fair point and I hope one or two do, i can only imagine the devastation when being released especially after coming through the ranks from a very young age, self esteem must drop to levels that some find hard to overcome, suppose you could say if they want it bad enough they will pick themselves up .dust themselves down etc ! and say to themselves 'I'll bloody show em! It seems to happen a lot at the higher levels. Players get turfed out of prem clubs and work their way back to that same level, Declan Rice being told he wasn’t good enough at Chelsea but coming back with West Ham for example. I’ve always found it odd that year after year we release youngsters and none bounce back, you would think at least one would? Is it possible they don’t have the strength of character rather than a lack of ability? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 3, 2024 18:50:57 GMT
Yep Fair point and I hope one or two do, i can only imagine the devastation when being released especially after coming through the ranks from a very young age, self esteem must drop to levels that some find hard to overcome, suppose you could say if they want it bad enough they will pick themselves up .dust themselves down etc ! and say to themselves 'I'll bloody show em! It seems to happen a lot at the higher levels. Players get turfed out of prem clubs and work their way back to that same level, Declan Rice being told he wasn’t good enough at Chelsea but coming back with West Ham for example. I’ve always found it odd that year after year we release youngsters and none bounce back, you would think at least one would? Is it possible they don’t have the strength of character rather than a lack of ability? How many players does the Academy release every season, around half a dozen?, it would be odd if all 60 players released in the last decade didn't have the strength of character to bounce back? Two from last season, Ryan Jones at Aldershot and Greenslades at Yeovil both seem to be doing OK in the NL. |
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Post by eric on Oct 3, 2024 19:29:36 GMT
It seems to happen a lot at the higher levels. Players get turfed out of prem clubs and work their way back to that same level, Declan Rice being told he wasn’t good enough at Chelsea but coming back with West Ham for example. I’ve always found it odd that year after year we release youngsters and none bounce back, you would think at least one would? Is it possible they don’t have the strength of character rather than a lack of ability? How many players does the Academy release every season, around half a dozen?, it would be odd if all 60 players released in the last decade didn't have the strength of character to bounce back? Two from last season, Ryan Jones at Aldershot and Greenslades at Yeovil both seem to be doing OK in the NL. Hopefully they’ll be the first ones to prove the club wrong and get back to the EFL…………we’ll see but like the others I suspect they won’t. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 3, 2024 20:02:58 GMT
How many players does the Academy release every season, around half a dozen?, it would be odd if all 60 players released in the last decade didn't have the strength of character to bounce back? Two from last season, Ryan Jones at Aldershot and Greenslades at Yeovil both seem to be doing OK in the NL. Hopefully they’ll be the first ones to prove the club wrong and get back to the EFL…………we’ll see but like the others I suspect they won’t. I thought Ryan Broom had already done that anyway? |
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Post by eric on Oct 4, 2024 6:49:23 GMT
Hopefully they’ll be the first ones to prove the club wrong and get back to the EFL…………we’ll see but like the others I suspect they won’t. I thought Ryan Broom had already done that anyway? He stayed in the EFL. Any youngsters come back to EFL after being released into non league? |
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Post by igotgas on Oct 4, 2024 6:58:02 GMT
We’re releasing the very bottom of the pile.
Cat 3 academies are the lowest level of pro football youth sections. Yes they will find a gem now and again….but most of those are taken by the big boys before they reach 18.
Those released by Cat 3 academies at 18 really have their work cut out to find another club or “bounce back”.
Cat 1 Academies are releasing at least 8/9/10 players from their scholarship programmes every season…that’s close in 200 young footballers, then the cat 2 clubs are doing the same. Most of the cat 1 players released don’t get pro deals at all and those that do end up at a cat 2 club.
Most of those released by Cat 2 clubs don’t get a pro deal at all and those that go more likely end up at Cat 3 clubs or more likely National league clubs or Scotland / Ireland.
The lads released from Cat 3 generally end up either not playing at all or drifting into Southern Prem or lower.
It’s the most brutal industry in the world. Pretty much every player who makes it had been rejected somewhere at some time.
Those that make it at any level are in the top 1% and those that make a career and earn a living for more than 3 years deserve everyone’s absolute respect for being tough as old boots and resilient as hell.
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Post by pirate on Oct 19, 2024 17:37:01 GMT
Another couple of goals today for 16-year-old Wales youth international Ollie Dewsbury 👏
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