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May 19, 2024 15:07:58 GMT
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Post by mftc on May 19, 2024 15:07:58 GMT
Do you mean something which they have contributed to at Board level? If so, the best person to ask is probably Helen Wigmore, who is the remaining Fans' rep. To be honest, I'll take anything they have done in the last 5 years. I am looking for some positives to come out of having a SC Rep. At the moment, the silence is deafening. I think it is a token gesture and I suspect the SC reps are not actually told anything of importance in advance. They probably find out more about the goings on by looking on here! However maybe if someone who doesn't suffer fools, has the time and could put their point across well in meetings with the Board, could actually help save the club from some more PR disasters. Probably best not to look at what happened in the past and start looking forwards. I don't think anyone apart from the woman in the match day shop was on the committee in JC/KM days anyway, so that is irrelevant. I wonder if the new SC rep gets a free tin hat? Thankless task, but good luck to them.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 19, 2024 15:26:32 GMT
According to the SC website there are still mostly only women on the committee?
I sense there's some confusion over the FD role as its role seems to be to represent the SC's and it's members interest, its not represent fans interests generally, so they are never going to report anything back to them.
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Post by The Equaliser on May 19, 2024 15:35:13 GMT
I think their only hope was when the late David Thomas took over as Chairman after the previous regime had lost their dignity and with it the respect of supporters.
I genuinely think David would have embraced the modern and the young more and slowly turned the ship into a Supporter’s Club fit for purpose again with new ideas and impetus. He listened to others views and opinions and in my opinion would have made a huge difference.
He is very sadly missed.
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May 19, 2024 15:35:55 GMT
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Post by gashead1981 on May 19, 2024 15:35:55 GMT
Jim Chappell black balled me after I called him out for supporting Masters and the PC in the accusation that Wael was grooming children in his exec box as well as the other misinformation that used to spew from that little clique. I've not got the time or inclination to get involved again now. Was that really the allegation? There must have been some evidence? I had plenty. The best bit about it was that the most damning part of it, which proved the collusion between them all to try smear Wael came from inside the SC itself, a whistleblower if you like, who was equally appalled at what was going on. I still have everything today.
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SC Rep
May 19, 2024 15:44:58 GMT
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Post by gashead1981 on May 19, 2024 15:44:58 GMT
Jim Chappell black balled me after I called him out for supporting Masters and the PC in the accusation that Wael was grooming children in his exec box as well as the other misinformation that used to spew from that little clique. I've not got the time or inclination to get involved again now. So why wasn't the Police or social services ever notified?. It is a mandatory requirement to contact them for child protection. Even if people got an ' inkling' it is everybody's responsibility to safeguard children. This is a very serious accusation which everyone on this forum would want to be addressed. I never knew this caused the ' fallout'. They were. It was found to be rubbish. They also attempted it with the FA, who also said it was bollocks. Even the sun newspaper, who love a good smear story looked at it and decided it wasn't worth their time.
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Post by eric on May 19, 2024 15:55:42 GMT
So why wasn't the Police or social services ever notified?. It is a mandatory requirement to contact them for child protection. Even if people got an ' inkling' it is everybody's responsibility to safeguard children. This is a very serious accusation which everyone on this forum would want to be addressed. I never knew this caused the ' fallout'. They were. It was found to be rubbish. They also attempted it with the FA, who also said it was bollocks. Even the sun newspaper, who love a good smear story looked at it and decided it wasn't worth their time. All those involved should have been kicked out of the club and never be allowed to return. Vile and spiteful thing to do to a decent man
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May 19, 2024 16:04:38 GMT
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Post by gashead1981 on May 19, 2024 16:04:38 GMT
They were. It was found to be rubbish. They also attempted it with the FA, who also said it was bollocks. Even the sun newspaper, who love a good smear story looked at it and decided it wasn't worth their time. All those involved should have been kicked out of the club and never be allowed to return. Vile and spiteful thing to do to a decent man I agree. I was threatened on various occasions by various people because of it and even in Jim's retirement epitaph, he threatened me with legal action. "The matter was never discussed further either in committee or outside until a few months back when it started being openly referred to on the ‘Gaschat’ social media forum. The information being discussed on the forum did not originate from the Supporters Club and our Secretary was instructed to issue a disclaimer on our website. This was duly done, and members can draw their own conclusions as to where the information originated but it was not from your committee. The so called ‘moderator’ of the ‘Gaschat’ site has since written to me also claiming that I had colluded with others, that he had evidence and attached a copy of the original ‘Letter of Concern’ and wanted to meet with me to discuss the same. How he obtained this confidential information is not clear, but I have no intention of discussing it with him and his letter has been placed in the hands of the Supporters’ Club’s solicitors." bristolroverssc.co.uk/jim-chappells-report-to-the-agm/
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May 19, 2024 16:47:00 GMT
Post by gassince1957 on May 19, 2024 16:47:00 GMT
Based on all the above details - why would anyone want to be the SC board member? Seems a thankless task, especially as a lot of details from board meetings are confidential.
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Post by gasandrew on May 19, 2024 18:00:54 GMT
Based on all the above details - why would anyone want to be the SC board member? Seems a thankless task, especially as a lot of details from board meetings are confidential. Indeed a thankless task which was made even more difficult when the club changed its Articles of association a year or so back which gave them the opportunity to exclude the SC director from meetings if the rest of the board so wished
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May 19, 2024 18:07:44 GMT
Post by phillistine on May 19, 2024 18:07:44 GMT
Based on all the above details - why would anyone want to be the SC board member? Seems a thankless task, especially as a lot of details from board meetings are confidential. Indeed a thankless task which was made even more difficult when the club changed its Articles of association a year or so back which gave them the opportunity to exclude the SC director from meetings if the rest of the board so wished Just because someone is appointed by the supporters club does not automatically make them trustworthy as far as the Board are concerned. Trust has to be earned and bearing in mind the sensitive nature of what is being discussed at Board level i am surprised that clause wasnt always in there . After i retired from work , i went along to a meeting and offered my services a year or so ago to the supporters club and despite being told that i would be invited along to the next meeting, i heard absolutely nothing and so assumed that my face didnt fit
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May 19, 2024 19:53:25 GMT
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Post by gasify on May 19, 2024 19:53:25 GMT
Based on all the above details - why would anyone want to be the SC board member? Seems a thankless task, especially as a lot of details from board meetings are confidential. Based on the above, it sounds a little like the SC 'Management' are pretty dubious individuals.
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May 19, 2024 22:00:07 GMT
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Post by aghast on May 19, 2024 22:00:07 GMT
I find it difficult, nay impossible, to believe that the SC were party to an accusation of child grooming by our owner.
Safeguarding covers a wide range of issues, all of which are important but not all of which are crimes, and while I can easily believe that the powers that be in the SC would hold grudges against the owner(s), I think this has been blown totally out of proportion. By whom I do not know.
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May 20, 2024 4:57:09 GMT
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Post by gasify on May 20, 2024 4:57:09 GMT
Was that really the allegation? There must have been some evidence? I had plenty. The best bit about it was that the most damning part of it, which proved the collusion between them all to try smear Wael came from inside the SC itself, a whistleblower if you like, who was equally appalled at what was going on. I still have everything today. Can you share the letter?
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Post by Topper Gas on May 20, 2024 6:39:17 GMT
I find it difficult, nay impossible, to believe that the SC were party to an accusation of child grooming by our owner. Safeguarding covers a wide range of issues, all of which are important but not all of which are crimes, and while I can easily believe that the powers that be in the SC would hold grudges against the owner(s), I think this has been blown totally out of proportion. By whom I do not know. Whether the SC were just doing what they were supposed to do and reporting a Safeguarding guarding issue to the FA or did it purely as a grudge we'll never really know. Whilst the letter may imply the latter, who knows if the writer of the letter didn't have a grudge against the SC? The fact the club had to tighten up its own Safeguarding controls after the incident suggests the FA didn't just simply dismiss the issue.
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May 20, 2024 8:38:30 GMT
Post by rememberhalifax on May 20, 2024 8:38:30 GMT
Mmm and here's me thinking that the supporters club ( which by definition would seem to be a vehicle by which like minded folk, in this case fans of Rovers, can associate and endeavour to help the club prosper! seems my naivety has no limits! Oh for the good old days of dedicated volunteers and Gordon Bennet and, by the way i won a medal in an under 16s football cup back in the day which was presented by Eric Godfrey who if memory serves me right was chairman of said club!! happy days!
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Post by Topper Gas on May 20, 2024 10:27:31 GMT
That's surely why the SC is at present, just look at the present committee members they hardly look like the type who are planning coup!
We'll never know if Messer's SC, KM & SH had the club at heart or their own egos, when they seemingly fell out with Wael over the FM.
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Post by chewbacca on May 20, 2024 10:29:11 GMT
Coor and I get told off for calling him Wally!
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Post by gashead1981 on May 20, 2024 12:34:53 GMT
I had plenty. The best bit about it was that the most damning part of it, which proved the collusion between them all to try smear Wael came from inside the SC itself, a whistleblower if you like, who was equally appalled at what was going on. I still have everything today. Can you share the letter? As there was nothing in the letter that was of any concern, the FA and police had no grounds to pursue any lines of enquiry and the fact the people who were making the allegations have been removed/retired/resigned (delete as appropriate) and the majority owner is now longer just that, I dont see any point in producing any evidence now, if anything, it would be counter productive to the good work that the late David Thomas did in rebuilding the bridges between SC and FC. Let me put it this way, had any of the threats that had been put to me materialised, I would have gone after each of them in a way that Wael should have done, which would have amounted to defamation as a minimum, and I would have happily taken it to the press myself and would produced all the evidence. I think we all learned some lessons from that episode. The people involved tarnished their own reputations and good name with the accusations and their own legacy was being remembered for their demise rather than the good work they had carried out for 25-30 years previously, which is also a shame for them. Fans with that dedication should be honoured and remembered but their own egos eventually got in the way. Sad. The lesson I learned was that not to get overly involved in something that isnt my show, however I couldnt stand by and watch an innocent man, regardless of whether he was the owner of the FC at the time or not, be subjected to the heinous behaviour and vulgar accusations from people who simply had an axe to grind and wanted to serve their own interests.
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May 20, 2024 12:36:40 GMT
Post by gashead1981 on May 20, 2024 12:36:40 GMT
That's surely why the SC is at present, just look at the present committee members they hardly look like the type who are planning coup! We'll never know if Messer's SC, KM & SH had the club at heart or their own egos, when they seemingly fell out with Wael over the FM. When you consider that the SC only had net cash of £100k or so, and they were determined to oust Wael and run the club themselves with Steve Hamer reinstated as Chairman, it can only be egos that would drive a plan as mad as that.
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May 20, 2024 13:28:42 GMT
Post by The Equaliser on May 20, 2024 13:28:42 GMT
Haven’t seen Brian, Ken or Jim at The Mem recently, do they still attend?
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