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Post by mftc on May 7, 2024 6:30:42 GMT
Agree with others, I don't think anything was done maliciously, just a quick, ill thought out response, on the hoof.
It's one of the problems of the modern world especially when working from home. Kids want your time and attention, you get an email and just write something quick without spell check or re-reading.(Oh well, who cares if it's not perfect, someone else will check and amend).
It goes to someone else at the club to double check who just forwards it on without reading and someone at the SC does similar.
No doubt there will internally be the blame game and the "let's say nothing and ride it out and it will soon blow away" philosophy. Joey holocaust or alledged wife beating etc
They just don't seem to learn from their mistakes and don't realize that something like this could mean another fan decides they will no longer support the club.
Hopefully they will learn (eventually) and stop giving individual responses to major issues and agree to put them out officially on club media after they have been checked thoroughly.
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Post by returnofthedust on May 7, 2024 6:35:22 GMT
I think it’s fairly obvious. Name who wrote and sent the email, or is it all innuendo as usual? id like to know,I’m sure others would also 👍🏾 I don’t know for a fact. Just my opinion from reading it that it’s pretty obvious.
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Post by gasify on May 7, 2024 6:38:29 GMT
Name who wrote and sent the email, or is it all innuendo as usual? id like to know,I’m sure others would also 👍🏾 I don’t know for a fact. Just my opinion from reading it that it’s pretty obvious. I'll have a fiver on Abdullatif.
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Post by peterparker on May 7, 2024 6:55:16 GMT
I don’t know for a fact. Just my opinion from reading it that it’s pretty obvious. I'll have a fiver on Abdullatif. If it is, I hope people don't use that as something to attack him with. Maybe fingers can be pointed at him for other things, this is just a case of 'lost in translation', not heir first language. What's done is done though and again a simple apology and perhaps even explain that it was 'lost in translation' would just kill the matter off. Club just lets things fester til another story comes along though
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Post by stuart1974 on May 7, 2024 6:57:10 GMT
Name who wrote and sent the email, or is it all innuendo as usual? id like to know,I’m sure others would also 👍🏾 I don’t know for a fact. Just my opinion from reading it that it’s pretty obvious. Maybe, but it's still speculation. Not aimed at you, but this is just how rumours get out of hand, one person's "maybe" becomes and Internet fact within a few posts and before we know it, there are calls for sackings.
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Post by gasify on May 7, 2024 7:17:24 GMT
I don’t know for a fact. Just my opinion from reading it that it’s pretty obvious. Maybe, but it's still speculation. Not aimed at you, but this is just how rumours get out of hand, one person's "maybe" becomes and Internet fact within a few posts and before we know it, there are calls for sackings. TG has probably passed something on that he shouldn't have. As a CEO, you have a duty to not send that email. No CEO will think good things will come from sharing that.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on May 7, 2024 7:59:49 GMT
I was a bit gobsmacked when I saw the communication, but thinking about it a bit more it does seem that 'normal' was just a poor choice of word and related to the ticket type, not the holder.
The whole thing is badly thought out though. Should have said, 'After feedback, we have taken on board some concerns and decided to issue cards to disabled ticket holders. In hindsight we should have looked into potential issues before the announcement'
Instead it comes across as:-
'2 other clubs charge £20, we didn't have to do it, be grateful'
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Post by returnofthedust on May 7, 2024 8:41:04 GMT
I don’t know for a fact. Just my opinion from reading it that it’s pretty obvious. Maybe, but it's still speculation. Not aimed at you, but this is just how rumours get out of hand, one person's "maybe" becomes and Internet fact within a few posts and before we know it, there are calls for sackings. Which is why I haven’t said who I think it is.
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Post by aghast on May 7, 2024 16:16:37 GMT
Looks like the SC tweet has also now been deleted. Although the previous message (saying they will report back when the club responds) is still there.
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Post by SleepyGas on May 7, 2024 16:33:00 GMT
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Post by peterparker on May 7, 2024 16:43:00 GMT
And thats why you get out in front of it. Could have killed it off before it got there
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Post by The Equaliser on May 7, 2024 16:45:00 GMT
Looks like the SC tweet has also now been deleted. Although the previous message (saying they will report back when the club responds) is still there. Talk about closing the stable door after the horse has bolted! what is it with people that delete things, you can’t magically pretend you didn’t say something 🤦🏾♀️
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Post by SleepyGas on May 7, 2024 16:52:10 GMT
I am not sure how anyone can interpret the statement to mean anything other than "normal fans" = "able-bodied fans". and you could quite easily see how that might offend some disabled or older fans. It is very clumsy language.
Although I must admit I hadn't considered that the statement in the e-mail to the SC might have been originally written by someone for whom English is not their native language; and so a gaff like this might be excusable.
I think it likely that it has been forwarded without due consideration of the language/tone used and the person who wrote it originally had (albeit implicitly) expected it would get appropriately vetted and reworded.
If there is any criticism of the SC here it might be that they didn't detect the potentially offensive implication that able-bodied = normal and disabled = abnormal and so publish the statement verbatim without politely pushing back to Rovers for a more customer-friendly response that they can share with fans.
But their responsibility is to channel members' concerns / complaints to the club and share the outcome. They should not be expected to reword the response.. in fact; if they did then they might be opening themselves up to trouble!
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Post by eric on May 7, 2024 18:06:34 GMT
I am not sure how anyone can interpret the statement to mean anything other than "normal fans" = "able-bodied fans". and you could quite easily see how that might offend some disabled or older fans. It is very clumsy language. Although I must admit I hadn't considered that the statement in the e-mail to the SC might have been originally written by someone for whom English is not their native language; and so a gaff like this might be excusable. I think it likely that it has been forwarded without due consideration of the language/tone used and the person who wrote it originally had (albeit implicitly) expected it would get appropriately vetted and reworded. If there is any criticism of the SC here it might be that they didn't detect the potentially offensive implication that able-bodied = normal and disabled = abnormal and so publish the statement verbatim without politely pushing back to Rovers for a more customer-friendly response that they can share with fans. But their responsibility is to channel members' concerns / complaints to the club and share the outcome. They should not be expected to reword the response.. in fact; if they did then they might be opening themselves up to trouble! Deliberately mischievous from the SC putting it out word for word in the way they did? If it was deliberate I hope they’re happy with the storm created.
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Post by SleepyGas on May 7, 2024 18:28:43 GMT
Deliberately mischievous from the SC putting it out word for word in the way they did? If it was deliberate I hope they’re happy with the storm created. Not sure what they would hope to gain by being mischievous? Or why they would be happy to create a storm? A good relationship between Bristol Rovers and the Supporters Club would be for everyone's benefit. Far more likely the SC just trusted that the response was formal and appropriate without too much scrutiny and relayed it to members/supporters (via their website) as it was received. I don't know what the HR policy is at Rovers when it comes to electronic communications, but I suspect that when you send an e-mail from your work account to an external account you are representing the company and it becomes a formal, public communication (as e-mails can be shared). They should not be expecting or relying the recipient of the e-mail to re-word it before sharing. It might well be considered public domain as soon as it has been posted.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 7, 2024 18:50:54 GMT
Deliberately mischievous from the SC putting it out word for word in the way they did? If it was deliberate I hope they’re happy with the storm created. Not sure what they would hope to gain by being mischievous? Or why they would be happy to create a storm?A good relationship between Bristol Rovers and the Supporters Club would be for everyone's benefit. Far more likely the SC just trusted that the response was formal and appropriate without too much scrutiny and relayed it to members/supporters (via their website) as it was received. I don't know what the HR policy is at Rovers when it comes to electronic communications, but I suspect that when you send an e-mail from your work account to an external account you are representing the company and it becomes a formal, public communication (as e-mails can be shared). They should not be expecting or relying the recipient of the e-mail to re-word it before sharing. It might well be considered public domain as soon as it has been posted. Unless they are now have a completely different set up it's the same SC who reported Wael to the FA for safeguarding issues which were found to be completely false? Anybody could see the club's response was likely to be a bit controversial, so why just go ahead and publish it without checking it was OK to do it?
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Post by eric on May 7, 2024 19:06:56 GMT
Deliberately mischievous from the SC putting it out word for word in the way they did? If it was deliberate I hope they’re happy with the storm created. Not sure what they would hope to gain by being mischievous? Or why they would be happy to create a storm? A good relationship between Bristol Rovers and the Supporters Club would be for everyone's benefit. Far more likely the SC just trusted that the response was formal and appropriate without too much scrutiny and relayed it to members/supporters (via their website) as it was received. I don't know what the HR policy is at Rovers when it comes to electronic communications, but I suspect that when you send an e-mail from your work account to an external account you are representing the company and it becomes a formal, public communication (as e-mails can be shared). They should not be expecting or relying the recipient of the e-mail to re-word it before sharing. It might well be considered public domain as soon as it has been posted. I’ve avoided having anything to do with the SC over the years so no idea what motivates them or what their relations are with those running the club. Clearly the comms from someone in the club were poorly worded but seemingly not an ‘official’ release and so ideally shouldn’t have just been put out word for word by the SC - hopefully an innocent misjudgment! Lessons to be learned from both parties - from Rovers perspective ban any direct comms with SC and fans as even with the best of intentions can clearly backfire. Unfortunately, this will see people moan about “not the Rovers I know” and “I remember when I could just email TG and he’d get back to me….”
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Post by aghast on May 7, 2024 19:50:25 GMT
Not sure what they would hope to gain by being mischievous? Or why they would be happy to create a storm?A good relationship between Bristol Rovers and the Supporters Club would be for everyone's benefit. Far more likely the SC just trusted that the response was formal and appropriate without too much scrutiny and relayed it to members/supporters (via their website) as it was received. I don't know what the HR policy is at Rovers when it comes to electronic communications, but I suspect that when you send an e-mail from your work account to an external account you are representing the company and it becomes a formal, public communication (as e-mails can be shared). They should not be expecting or relying the recipient of the e-mail to re-word it before sharing. It might well be considered public domain as soon as it has been posted. Unless they are now have a completely different set up it's the same SC who reported Wael to the FA for safeguarding issues which were found to be completely false? Anybody could see the club's response was likely to be a bit controversial, so why just go ahead and publish it without checking it was OK to do it? I'd like to know who decided to delete the tweet showing the response from the club. There's also no mention of it on the SC website. I wonder if the club reached out to the SC and asked them to take it down? Or someone in the SC could see it was damaging to publish its unintentionally clumsy words and decided the best course of action was to chop it? Of course in this day and age once it's out there, it's out there. Too late.
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Post by Westy on May 7, 2024 22:21:08 GMT
I'm not sure I can understand the fuss about this - what exactly IS the correct expression for people who are not disabled? The way I read it is that disabled cards will be free to users and normal - all other? cards will cost £15. Strikes me this is yet another "let's have a go at TG" type of post. As it happens, I talked with a disabled fan and asked if the reply was offensive and he laughed his socks off! A better way to word it would have been "... And all other tickets". A better word for 'normal' would have been 'standard tickets' instead. "We've provided disabled fans with X, Y, Z... All other standard tickets and concessionary tickets are A, B, C"
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