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Post by tbonegas on May 15, 2024 17:35:26 GMT
I know it's nothing to do with us, but I have just read that Wolves have opposed the use of VAR, About time a club has stood against this heap of Rubbish.
I wonder if any other clubs will back them?
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Post by Topper Gas on May 15, 2024 17:55:14 GMT
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Post by tbonegas on May 15, 2024 18:01:06 GMT
Closer for most of their fans |
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Post by Gassy on May 15, 2024 19:43:53 GMT
If they vote it out, they'll be begging for it to come back within 2 seasons. The problem is the FA/referees, not VAR. It works excellently at Euros/World Cup level.
Yes there's the odd mistake, but its a damn lot less than it was before.
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Post by Beer Baron on May 15, 2024 19:55:13 GMT
If they vote it out, they'll be begging for it to come back within 2 seasons. The problem is the FA/referees, not VAR. It works excellently at Euros/World Cup level. Yes there's the odd mistake, but its a damn lot less than it was before. Surprised any supporter would want VAR, imagine not being able to celebrate scoring for 5+ minutes for fear of the goal being ruled out; hopefully it will never affect Rovers! |
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Post by yattongas on May 15, 2024 19:59:30 GMT
Opened this thread expecting them to be at the door….
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Post by eric on May 15, 2024 20:03:19 GMT
Far more important not to have games decided by illegitimate goals and getting more important decisions correct than delay celebrations IMO.
VAR is a great system being run by idiots - once they sort out the idiots and stop people from IFAB constantly tinkering with rules and interpretations it will all be good. It is here to stay in football and all other top level sports.
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Post by Colyton Gas on May 15, 2024 20:12:45 GMT
In my day as a Ref,handball was clear cut and simply had to be deliberate.Nowadays no-one seems to really know what constitutes a handball offence.Just wish we would stop complicating things.
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Post by warehamgas on May 15, 2024 21:13:10 GMT
Far more important not to have games decided by illegitimate goals and getting more important decisions correct than delay celebrations IMO. VAR is a great system being run by idiots - once they sort out the idiots and stop people from IFAB constantly tinkering with rules and interpretations it will all be good. It is here to stay in football and all other top level sports. I agree completely eric. We will face VAR in all international competitions and when we have it there it seems to work ok. I saw VAR used several times in the Australian A League and all was well. The most important thing is to make the right decision and VAR helps do that in most cases. All the controversial decisions have come form the VAR officials making errors, not VAR itself, the same people who the following week will be the on-field ref. Quicken up the decision making and let the game run smoothly and only refer where there is a ‘clear and obvious error.’ Some of these refs need as much help as possible. And of course getting rid of VAR won’t change the managers from complaining about referees, decisions and anything else they use to shift the blame from themselves. UTG! |
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Post by Squiffy on May 15, 2024 22:36:18 GMT
Perhaps they could run a trial based on the tennis model for Hawkeye where there is a limit of only two challenges per player per set. If a club had a limit of maybe three, four or even five challenges per half then it would allow the referee to make more uncontested decisions to keep the flow going. It would force managers to concentrate on the really contentious situations rather than say when a player is a few millimetres offside which isn’t materially affecting the game.
I’m sure that someone will find a way of abusing even this approach, especially after all the challenges have been used up, but don’t forget this is only to assist the referee team not replace them!
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May 15, 2024 22:45:36 GMT
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Post by yattongas on May 15, 2024 22:45:36 GMT
Perhaps they could run a trial based on the tennis model for Hawkeye where there is a limit of only two challenges per player per set. If a club had a limit of maybe three, four or even five challenges per half then it would allow the referee to make more uncontested decisions to keep the flow going. It would force managers to concentrate on the really contentious situations rather than say when a player is a few millimetres offside which isn’t materially affecting the game. I’m sure that someone will find a way of abusing even this approach, especially after all the challenges have been used up, but don’t forget this is only to assist the referee team not replace them! Give it a few yrs and all games will be reffed by AI |
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Post by devonwhite9 on May 15, 2024 23:01:59 GMT
For me football's a game for the people.
The ball hits the net - you jump up, quick glance at the linesman, the flag's down, then celebrate.
What happened to Coventry when they thought they were celebrating one of the greatest moments of their history only to find he was offside by a toenail should never happen again. Plus it gave Man Utd an advantage as moments before the penalty shoot out they thought they were out.
Imagine in the Scunthorpe game if you had to wait 5 minutes after Elliott Anderson's header to find out if there had been a nudge in the build up or not. I'm sure I'm not the only lower league fan grateful that VAR hasn't got to us yet
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Post by Qatar Gas on May 16, 2024 4:55:21 GMT
For me football's a game for the people. The ball hits the net - you jump up, quick glance at the linesman, the flag's down, then celebrate. 100%. At our level we don't have to worry about VAR but many of us have been at matches where its used (either premier league or internationals). As many said above, one of the main problems is they've no idea how to use it properly in the premier league and they are far to inconsistent. I am amazed they haven't brought in the automated offside system yet. which has been around for years now and was used at the World Cup which was nearly two years ago! That alone would help with many of the contested offside calls. Although again, I can't imaging premier league officials would use it properly! For me personally, I say keep goal line technology, use the automated offside system (which over time will get quicker and better) and bin the rest of it. __PRESENT |
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Post by stapletongas on May 16, 2024 6:00:57 GMT
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Post by gasify on May 16, 2024 6:36:47 GMT
In my day as a Ref,handball was clear cut and simply had to be deliberate.Nowadays no-one seems to really know what constitutes a handball offence.Just wish we would stop complicating things. To me, that is exactly the issue that needs to be stamped out. Things shouldn't be open to interpretation. One refs view of a situation being deliberate can be different to another refs interpretation of the same incident. The rules shouldn't have any scope for interpretation. For example, the offside rule is a simple yes or no, just need everyone to agree what part of the body it is measured from. I am one of the few that thinks VAR has been good for the game, it has made corrected wrong decisions more times than it has created bad decisions. |
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 16, 2024 7:15:31 GMT
What a minefield! just think IF ! would England have won the world cup in 66 with goal line tech? we would certainly have benefited re 'hand of god, Lampard's goal etc with var BUT a toe being offside, ball being smashed against hand decisions etc are a nonsense are they not, as others have said the problem arises with operator interpretation, human error , this is no different than refs and lineman occasionally getting it wrong so on balance i would scrap as it has a very negative impact on the fans enjoyment. A big difference in football of course compared to many other sports is the attitude and conduct of the participants, professional footballers are basically cheats , are encouraged to cheat, and will use every trick in the book to gain an advantage, all of does nothing to help the officials make the right decision.
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Post by hollyhillgas on May 16, 2024 7:19:53 GMT
Perhaps they could run a trial based on the tennis model for Hawkeye where there is a limit of only two challenges per player per set. If a club had a limit of maybe three, four or even five challenges per half then it would allow the referee to make more uncontested decisions to keep the flow going. It would force managers to concentrate on the really contentious situations rather than say when a player is a few millimetres offside which isn’t materially affecting the game. I’m sure that someone will find a way of abusing even this approach, especially after all the challenges have been used up, but don’t forget this is only to assist the referee team not replace them! Works well enough in Cricket. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 7:33:32 GMT
In my day as a Ref,handball was clear cut and simply had to be deliberate.Nowadays no-one seems to really know what constitutes a handball offence.Just wish we would stop complicating things. possibly the most simple of games has now become the most complicated. All for the blood money of subscription tv. |
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Post by gasify on May 16, 2024 8:01:38 GMT
What a minefield! just think IF ! would England have won the world cup in 66 with goal line tech? we would certainly have benefited re 'hand of god, Lampard's goal etc with var BUT a toe being offside, ball being smashed against hand decisions etc are a nonsense are they not, as others have said the problem arises with operator interpretation, human error , this is no different than refs and lineman occasionally getting it wrong so on balance i would scrap as it has a very negative impact on the fans enjoyment. A big difference in football of course compared to many other sports is the attitude and conduct of the participants, professional footballers are basically cheats , are encouraged to cheat, and will use every trick in the book to gain an advantage, all of does nothing to help the officials make the right decision. A toe being offside is still offside. I hear this point of view often about VAR. I don't understand it. Why make something subjective, when we can have an absolute answer to within a very small measure of inaccuracy? |
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Post by faggotygas on May 16, 2024 8:45:47 GMT
In my day as a Ref,handball was clear cut and simply had to be deliberate.Nowadays no-one seems to really know what constitutes a handball offence.Just wish we would stop complicating things. To me, that is exactly the issue that needs to be stamped out. Things shouldn't be open to interpretation. One refs view of a situation being deliberate can be different to another refs interpretation of the same incident. The rules shouldn't have any scope for interpretation. For example, the offside rule is a simple yes or no, just need everyone to agree what part of the body it is measured from. I am one of the few that thinks VAR has been good for the game, it has made corrected wrong decisions more times than it has created bad decisions. How though? Are you saying that all contact between the ball and the hand should be a foul? That's the only thing not open to interpretation in hand ball - the contact. |
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