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Post by mftc on Aug 3, 2024 11:50:05 GMT
Sorry to put you on the spot, but it would be interesting to read Pirates views on all the incomings (and our own youngsters) all in one place
Must admit, I don't know much about a lot of them.
Still think it is a work in progress, with the bulk of a squad growing together before a bit of fine tuning next few windows, before we really challenge for the play offs in the 25/26 or 26/27 seasons.
Patience is key this season.
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 4, 2024 17:22:52 GMT
The problem with pirates view is that he comes up with so many names most of them would have retired by the time George Friend gets to see them all. How many of pirates recommendations ever actually made it at League 2 or above level?
Remember that George Friends job is on the line with his recommendations and he needs the majority of the signings made to be successful. He doesnt get the benefit of signing 5 players a day and I would be very interested to know how many of Pirates probably 1000 players has made it at League 2 or above. I would estimate very few.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 4, 2024 18:40:08 GMT
The problem with pirates view is that he comes up with so many names most of them would have retired by the time George Friend gets to see them all. How many of pirates recommendations ever actually made it at League 2 or above level? Remember that George Friends job is on the line with his recommendations and he needs the majority of the signings made to be successful. He doesnt get the benefit of signing 5 players a day and I would be very interested to know how many of Pirates probably 1000 players has made it at League 2 or above. I would estimate very few. FWIW: And pirate is quite capable of fighting his own corner, he doesn’t need me, but…. It’s a great thread, has been active for many years now and generates a good deal of discussion. It’s good to read about the talent out there. And the thread title ‘Wishlist’ gives a clue that it’s a tad open ended, it’s not called ‘Sign me now.’ I find it interesting, but that’s me, and perhaps remembering how pirate publicised Liam Scales whilst he was still playing in Ireland before anyone heard of him and then GC wanting to sign him is a sign that perhaps we’d have done better if we had listened. (GC seemed to but no one else, a shame.) He’s made another good start today for Celtic which should put more on his value. I know there have been others as well that pirate mentioned that have gone on to better things. Of course GF isn’t going to sign them all, I’m not sure that’s the intention. But it makes a lot more sense to sign players at the beginning of their careers instead of at the end of them which has tended to happen. As with everything we need a balance of youth and experience. And other clubs in the lower leagues have done this. Posh have been looking at and signing non league talent for years just as Oxford have been signing Irish youngsters. I find it interesting how some posters who have a special interest or knowledge about a particular aspect of what we talk about (lots of people have a knowledge of building and planning and post interesting stuff in threads on grounds, yet get criticised for bringing their expertise to it) seem to get criticised for suggesting stuff. It’s great that pirate (and one or two others I think) have an in-depth knowledge about players and post about it on here. What’s not to like about having that expertise shared with us? And the bottom line of course is that if you don’t like it, don’t read it. I do and enjoy the thread. UTG! |
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Post by pirate on Aug 4, 2024 19:43:04 GMT
The problem with pirates view is that he comes up with so many names most of them would have retired by the time George Friend gets to see them all. How many of pirates recommendations ever actually made it at League 2 or above level? Remember that George Friends job is on the line with his recommendations and he needs the majority of the signings made to be successful. He doesnt get the benefit of signing 5 players a day and I would be very interested to know how many of Pirates probably 1000 players has made it at League 2 or above. I would estimate very few. FWIW: And pirate is quite capable of fighting his own corner, he doesn’t need me, but…. It’s a great thread, has been active for many years now and generates a good deal of discussion. It’s good to read about the talent out there. And the thread title ‘Wishlist’ gives a clue that it’s a tad open ended, it’s not called ‘Sign me now.’ I find it interesting, but that’s me, and perhaps remembering how pirate publicised Liam Scales whilst he was still playing in Ireland before anyone heard of him and then GC wanting to sign him is a sign that perhaps we’d have done better if we had listened. (GC seemed to but no one else, a shame.) He’s made another good start today for Celtic which should put more on his value. I know there have been others as well that pirate mentioned that have gone on to better things. Of course GF isn’t going to sign them all, I’m not sure that’s the intention. But it makes a lot more sense to sign players at the beginning of their careers instead of at the end of them which has tended to happen. As with everything we need a balance of youth and experience. And other clubs in the lower leagues have done this. Posh have been looking at and signing non league talent for years just as Oxford have been signing Irish youngsters. I find it interesting how some posters who have a special interest or knowledge about a particular aspect of what we talk about (lots of people have a knowledge of building and planning and post interesting stuff in threads on grounds, yet get criticised for bringing their expertise to it) seem to get criticised for suggesting stuff. It’s great that pirate (and one or two others I think) have an in-depth knowledge about players and post about it on here. What’s not to like about having that expertise shared with us? And the bottom line of course is that if you don’t like it, don’t read it. I do and enjoy the thread. UTG! I've made some decent recommendations to our scouts over the years and suggestions on the forum, but of course there are also numerous examples of players that didn't step up or didn't do the business as expected. Because of the variables that football throws up it will never be an an exact science. Some are aware I was banging on about Richard Kone for ages when he was playing in the 9th tier Essex Senior League. He now looks like one of the most promising young strikers in League One (and the data backs that up - see below) after joining our divisional rivals Wycombe. Also players mentioned in the thread that they signed this summer are Jaiden Bartolo from non-league Wealdstone and Brody Peart (who I highlighted during his Basingstoke days.)  Peterborough are often praised for their recruitment and this summer they have signed three players from non-league mentioned in the wishlist thread. Chris Conn-Clarke, George Nevett and David Kamara. If you look back a few years ago I was highlighting one of their top assets Kwame Poku when he was at Worthing in the Isthmian League, long before they signed him from Colchester Utd for decent money. Ephron Mason-Clark was recently sold for about £4.3m + add ons etc. He was mentioned in the wishlist thread during his non-league days, long before he signed for Peterborough. I watched Dwight Gayle score a goal past Kevin Miller when Gayle was playing for Stansted against Bodmin Town in the FA Vase and tipped off one of our scouts about him. Ivan Toney was mentioned on the thread and back in the day I tried tipping off the club about then 16-year-old Lee Tomlin, Aaron McLean and George Boyd in non-league and others.
Martial Godo caught the eye for Wigan on loan from Fulham and is now an England U20 international. You'll find him highlighted in the wishlist thread during his time at Margate in the Isthmian League.
Josh Stokes recently joined Bristol City for decent money from non-league Aldershot. I highlighted him in the wishlist thread during his time at AFC Sudbury and it was my initial tip off to the Aldershot Head of Recruitment Jamie Hedges that led to him scouting him in the first place. I also tipped off Jamie about the youngster Ollie Bray from Willand Rovers who was mentioned in the thread who also later signed.
I could go further back to the old forum days with the likes of Charlie Austin (while at Poole Town), Jamie Vardy (at Stocksbridge Park Steels and Halifax) and Kieffer Moore (at Truro and Dorchester), or other players highlighted to various scouts employed by the club at the time, like Che Adams (at Ilkeston), Rhys Healey (at Connahs Quay Nomads), Aden Flint (at Alfreton Town), or Jarrod Bowen (at Hereford), plus many more, but I won't bore the forum too much more woth my rambling because this post could go on for a while. 😆 |
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Post by pirate on Aug 4, 2024 20:24:26 GMT
Sorry to put you on the spot, but it would be interesting to read Pirates views on all the incomings (and our own youngsters) all in one place Must admit, I don't know much about a lot of them. Still think it is a work in progress, with the bulk of a squad growing together before a bit of fine tuning next few windows, before we really challenge for the play offs in the 25/26 or 26/27 seasons. Patience is key this season. Exactly that mftc. Patience is key. The average age of our signings is 23 and they will need to be given time and patience to develop. Some will be quicker at adapting than others, but it's important to understand this is likely to be a season of transition with the age and amount of signings and a new management structure off the pitch. Fine tuning next few windows and then kicking on sounds realistic. I do worry about a lack of goals and defensive fragility, but just hope we have enough to avoid being dragged into a relegation scrap. I'm looking forward to the season now and seeing how things develop, and of course wish Matt and the lads the best of luck. UTG. |
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Post by mftc on Aug 4, 2024 21:25:00 GMT
Sorry to put you on the spot, but it would be interesting to read Pirates views on all the incomings (and our own youngsters) all in one place Must admit, I don't know much about a lot of them. Still think it is a work in progress, with the bulk of a squad growing together before a bit of fine tuning next few windows, before we really challenge for the play offs in the 25/26 or 26/27 seasons. Patience is key this season. Exactly that mftc. Patience is key. The average age of our signings is 23 and they will need to be given time and patience to develop. Some will be quicker at adapting than others, but it's important to understand this is likely to be a season of transition with the age and amount of signings and a new management structure off the pitch. Fine tuning next few windows and then kicking on sounds realistic. I do worry about a lack of goals and defensive fragility, but just hope we have enough to avoid being dragged into a relegation scrap. I'm looking forward to the season now and seeing how things develop, and of course wish Matt and the lads the best of luck. UTG. Thanks Pirate, good response. Probably right not to single out individuals as it is a team game. No doubt forum users will have their collective favourites and at the other end of the spectrum the ones that get stick for making mistakes (sometimes when they are not even on the pitch!). Not everyone sees the same match. What's the saying "Some people listen to Bob Marley, other people "hear" him" Makes reading other peoples views interesting. |
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 5, 2024 10:33:29 GMT
Fair enough Pirate but the point I am making is that when you consider the number of players you point out on here, yes you have a few gems there but what i was really saying was that GF has i assume put forward a fair few i imagine of which 12 have been signed which is why people have to understand that he cannot afford to make many mistakes when the team are pretty well starting from scratch and I am sure you would admit that for every Charlie Austin you get 20 duds.The lower down the Leagues you go the less likely you are to get a gem. I just want people on here to realise (and to be fair a lot probably do) that if the majority of the team is made up this season of GF recommendations and they even make mid table then he has done a bloody good job. As you say time will tell because many players either dont realise their potential or just turn out to be at their standard. Continue your good work because it is interesting and popular. I would be interested to have your view on Jed Ward because I have been very clear on my view that I doubt he will make it in League football because of his physique and height and am not at all surprised that no League team has come in for him and unlike some i do not hold the view that he will come back to be our number 1 next season.
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Post by pirate on Aug 5, 2024 11:18:53 GMT
Fair enough Pirate but the point I am making is that when you consider the number of players you point out on here, yes you have a few gems there but what i was really saying was that GF has i assume put forward a fair few i imagine of which 12 have been signed which is why people have to understand that he cannot afford to make many mistakes when the team are pretty well starting from scratch and I am sure you would admit that for every Charlie Austin you get 20 duds.The lower down the Leagues you go the less likely you are to get a gem. I just want people on here to realise (and to be fair a lot probably do) that if the majority of the team is made up this season of GF recommendations and they even make mid table then he has done a bloody good job. As you say time will tell because many players either dont realise their potential or just turn out to be at their standard. Continue your good work because it is interesting and popular. I would be interested to have your view on Jed Ward because I have been very clear on my view that I doubt he will make it in League football because of his physique and height and am not at all surprised that no League team has come in for him and unlike some i do not hold the view that he will come back to be our number 1 next season. At 6ft 2in there is nothing wrong with Ward's height. The average height of the number one goalkeepers in the Premier League for the 23/24 season was just over six feet and two inches (6'2"), about 191 cm. To suggest he's too short is nonsense. You keep banging on about Ward's ability with the high ball, but he was in top top 75% percentile ranking for High Claims in League One and a better percentile ranking per 90 than the new incumbent achieved during 22/23.  |
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Post by tbonegas on Aug 5, 2024 11:36:27 GMT
Fair enough Pirate but the point I am making is that when you consider the number of players you point out on here, yes you have a few gems there but what i was really saying was that GF has i assume put forward a fair few i imagine of which 12 have been signed which is why people have to understand that he cannot afford to make many mistakes when the team are pretty well starting from scratch and I am sure you would admit that for every Charlie Austin you get 20 duds.The lower down the Leagues you go the less likely you are to get a gem. I just want people on here to realise (and to be fair a lot probably do) that if the majority of the team is made up this season of GF recommendations and they even make mid table then he has done a bloody good job. As you say time will tell because many players either dont realise their potential or just turn out to be at their standard. Continue your good work because it is interesting and popular. I would be interested to have your view on Jed Ward because I have been very clear on my view that I doubt he will make it in League football because of his physique and height and am not at all surprised that no League team has come in for him and unlike some i do not hold the view that he will come back to be our number 1 next season. At 6ft 2in there is nothing wrong with Ward's height. The average height of the number one goalkeepers in the Premier League for the 23/24 season was just over six feet and two inches (6'2"), about 191 cm. To suggest he's too short is nonsense. You keep banging on about Ward's ability with the high ball, but he was in top top 75% percentile ranking for High Claims in League One and a better percentile ranking per 90 than the new incumbent achieved during 22/23. View AttachmentProbably measured using the same tape measure that was used to size up Michael Poke (remember him?) According to wiki he was 6ft 1inch. If he was 6ft+ then I'm a Dutchman. Ward is nowhere near the height that has been suggested. |
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 5, 2024 11:50:07 GMT
Well he doesnt look anywhere near 6ft 2 Pirate and as regards claiming crosses during the games i watched he did not appear to collect many crosses unless they were totally unchallenged. Anyway if you are correct can you advise me what YOU think of him and where his future lies. My own opinion is that he will not be our number 1 next season and I will be surprised if he makes it as a football League keeper.
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Post by pirate on Aug 5, 2024 11:55:34 GMT
At 6ft 2in there is nothing wrong with Ward's height. The average height of the number one goalkeepers in the Premier League for the 23/24 season was just over six feet and two inches (6'2"), about 191 cm. To suggest he's too short is nonsense. You keep banging on about Ward's ability with the high ball, but he was in top top 75% percentile ranking for High Claims in League One and a better percentile ranking per 90 than the new incumbent achieved during 22/23. View AttachmentProbably measured using the same tape measure that was used to size up Michael Poke (remember him?) According to wiki he was 6ft 1inch. If he was 6ft+ then I'm a Dutchman. Ward is nowhere near the height that has been suggested. How tall is Jobe Bellingham?  |
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 5, 2024 12:00:36 GMT
How long is a piece of string? No idea but Jed does not look six feet tall when he is touching the cross bar. I will however bow to your superior knowledge and ask you again what is your opinion on him?
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Post by BS9gas on Aug 5, 2024 12:04:47 GMT
Probably measured using the same tape measure that was used to size up Michael Poke (remember him?) According to wiki he was 6ft 1inch. If he was 6ft+ then I'm a Dutchman. Ward is nowhere near the height that has been suggested. How tall is Jobe Bellingham? View Attachment6’3 |
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Post by pirate on Aug 5, 2024 12:08:09 GMT
How long is a piece of string? No idea but Jed does not look six feet tall when he is touching the cross bar. I will however bow to your superior knowledge and ask you again what is your opinion on him? There is a reason he was called up to the England youth international setup and that is because he's a good prospect who is developing nicely. He needs minutes to keep fine tuning his game and improve, but he's obviously on the right track as the international recognition demonstrates. Thankfully we have him tied down down to a long contract as I look forward to watching his continued development and progression over the next few years. |
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Post by pirate on Aug 5, 2024 12:08:41 GMT
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Post by mftc on Aug 5, 2024 12:31:36 GMT
Blimey, the digression to jeds height on many threads is mad.
Needs one in the how tall is the Beard thread mode!
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 5, 2024 12:31:39 GMT
Well he doesnt look anywhere near 6ft 2 Pirate and as regards claiming crosses during the games i watched he did not appear to collect many crosses unless they were totally unchallenged. Anyway if you are correct can you advise me what YOU think of him and where his future lies. My own opinion is that he will not be our number 1 next season and I will be surprised if he makes it as a football League keeper. I know you like to be controversial when it comes to Rovers youngsters but even you are going a bit far saying JW won't make as a league goalie when dross like Luke Daniels have made a decent living out of being a league goalie. Whether JW goes on to play at Championship or higher is another matter. |
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Post by madgas on Aug 5, 2024 12:37:47 GMT
For me- recruitment needs to match the division you're in.
In league 2, with a higher budget than most Joey recruited well. Signing the best league 2 players and some who'd been good in the league above.
In league 1, we were unable to repeat the same trick. We don't have the funds. In the past, we'd run out of road as our recruitment was too narrow. We tried through Widdington but I think the combination of Garner and Tommy was too novice.
I'm glad that through George Friend we've shifted the model again. It'll need expansion though. I think we've got an interesting squad but we desperately need a striker and a winger.
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Post by percy on Aug 5, 2024 12:42:18 GMT
How long is a piece of string? No idea but Jed does not look six feet tall when he is touching the cross bar. I will however bow to your superior knowledge and ask you again what is your opinion on him? |
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Post by eric on Aug 5, 2024 15:24:02 GMT
Blimey, the digression to jeds height on many threads is mad. Needs one in the how tall is the Beard thread mode! It’s becoming obsessional and plain weird. He’s also now getting obsessed with Pirate - doesn’t seem to like that many posters see Pirate as the forum expert on recruitment !! |
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