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Post by wallywalters on Sept 7, 2024 17:17:40 GMT
Well it’s Taylor’s team. I thought at times we looked like a headless chicken. Midfield poor. Thought Wilson was our MOM. Promise never gave up. Macca should be shipped out. On the whole very average and at best mid table. UTG Mid table is exactly where we are aiming for and where i believe we will finish. Anything above that will be deemed a success this season. Where did you think we'd finish? The board have said numerous times we cannot sustain championship football at present and until we can we dont want to get promoted. This season is the toughest league one there has ever been. All of these clubs have bigger budgets and better individual players than us Wrexham Stockport Birmingham Barnsley Bolton Peterborough Rotherham Huddersfield We are then in a mini league with clubs like Charlton Wycombe Mansfield Lincoln Exeter Blackpool The midfield 3 of Barnsley today would walk into our team 75% fit. They are all clearly better footballers than we have. Chill out and enjoy the season. It's going to be awful at times. Great at others but we certainly won't be challenging 😂 |
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Post by Kipper on Sept 7, 2024 17:24:56 GMT
Gasheads, have a little faith in what is very early season. Results will improve once the 16 new players start to gel. Barnsley deserved the win, but Rovers had a chance to have equalised near the end! Oakwell is certainly a bogey ground for the Gas. Hopefully back to winning ways at home to Wigan.
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Post by igotgas on Sept 7, 2024 17:25:37 GMT
No he didn’t he picked up the ball in his own half because Barnsley had sat in and played it to a blue shirt. That’s not being dangerous at all. It’s flattering to deceive! And as has been pointed out he did exactly the same as v Tottenham and it should’ve been 3-1! You keep using the Tottenham goal as an example. He was left 3 on 1, without a team mate within 10 yards. He did get beaten, but he was had 3 players to think about. He's young and still learning. I'm not sure why you keep signalling out a young player, when all players make mistakes. Because the error at Tottenham was to rush in and commit. I said at the time it was perfectly normal for a young player to do that but the first rule of defending when outnumbered is to delay. I said at the time that he wasn’t ready for league one football for that type of reason because he would (as expected) make those types of mistakes. He made it again today and it should’ve been 3-1. I’m not knocking him im speaking candidly about a player at this level and he’s not there yet. He will be but he’s not yet. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 7, 2024 17:26:07 GMT
Fortunate to be level at ht we really seemed to struggle with anything that came into our box. Our midfield struggled to get to grips with theirs but we still had moments where we just needed a bit more quality in the final 3rd. Much better 2nd half, we seemed to limit them to a lot less and had Promise scored his chance we might have been taking about a very different result. I do think there's a lot more to come from this team attacking wise, not sure if that makes me a happy clapper or even what one of those is but if having a bit of confidence that this side has potential to be a very decent one at this level then guilty We are losing away but we are at least finding ways to stay in games either by pinching a fortune goal like today or resolute defending like at Rotherham. That is a firm base to build and improve on. Let's face it, we are probably a mid table team but I think given time and some improvement from our midfield there are enough signs to be positive about this team. Only a few days ago someone started a poll for which one of our players (from a long list) will turn us a profit. When was the last time we had more than 2 players who looked like they had any chance of player higher than our current level? We have a new team and a fair few young players but they haven't been battered by anyone results wise. That says alot about the character of the squad and in my humble opinion, attitude and team work are the hardest thing to improve. Thankfully, this group seem to have some grit, determination and a willingness to dig in and that will do me. |
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Post by eric on Sept 7, 2024 17:26:57 GMT
I said last season this manager is going to take us up. If we took our chances could have won that. Most confident I’ve been in a manager since John wards first spell with us. Great attacking football great signings that club south of river, this time next season be above you UTG Blimey “if we took our chances could have won that”. They might be saying similar on their forum but if they took theirs it could have been 5,6 or 7 !!! |
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Post by igotgas on Sept 7, 2024 17:28:12 GMT
The most one sided close game you’ll see. We had two shots on target and one was the goal that was gifted. I make that Griffiths been out MoM in 4 out of 5 games? Did you actually watch the game. First 20 minutes yes. After that pretty even, and we probably looked the better team for the 1st part on the 2nd half. I know their’s rose coloured glasses, but give a little respect to the team. Not just criticism. Yes I watched the game but I did leave my rose tinted specs at home to be fair. It was a one sided close game as you’ll see. They weee streets ahead of us. I have no idea what our plan is, what our style is or what we’re hoping to do other than rely on some individual moment or lucky break. Barnsley tore us to bits and only sat off and stayed deep once they were in control. They could still have scored 3 more on the break with slightly better decision making which didn’t even require a save from Griffiths. |
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 7, 2024 17:28:14 GMT
We always lose at bloody Barnsley!!
Very low away attendance, but fair play to those that made it. Not one I look at and consider!!
I’ve said throughout several threads that MT’s biggest challenge is getting that midfield balance right.
We’ve been unlucky today in not having Conteh, and with Lindsay injured. When both available I think that will be the midfield 2
I also think we’ve been unlucky losing Senior and Ward, as I’d play them at RWB and move Thomas into the No 10 role
No need to panic, just some work to do fine tuning that middle of the park!
I agree Shaw should feature if something isn’t working but no need to place too much on his shoulders, he will be learning nicely around the squad and I’m sure he will be an asset over the season as an option in the No 10 role.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 7, 2024 17:28:43 GMT
That depends on who you are playing away doesn't it?
If your first games away are against teams that are generally acknowledged to be some of the best in the division then it's not a fair comparison.
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Post by gasheadontour on Sept 7, 2024 17:31:06 GMT
Compared with Rovers teams in the past, Ollie failed to get us promoted playing 5 at the back and with fantastic strikers. Gerry Francis got us promotion by playing to our strengths and being dominant with a tenious midfield, Devon White causing havock and Carl Saunders movement and finishing. At the moment, we look a less effective version of either. It will be interesting to see how the team and pattern of play develops.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 7, 2024 17:31:52 GMT
Did you actually watch the game. First 20 minutes yes. After that pretty even, and we probably looked the better team for the 1st part on the 2nd half. I know their’s rose coloured glasses, but give a little respect to the team. Not just criticism. Yes I watched the game but I did leave my rose tinted specs at home to be fair. It was a one sided close game as you’ll see. They weee streets ahead of us. I have no idea what our plan is, what our style is or what we’re hoping to do other than rely on some individual moment or lucky break. Barnsley tore us to bits and only sat off and stayed deep once they were in control. They could still have scored 3 more on the break with slightly better decision making which didn’t even require a save from Griffiths. They tore us to bits but we went in level. Surely that deserves praise for the players for not caving in under pressure and for making a game of it that we could have ended up getting a point from but for a snatched header by Promise and Scotty failing to hit the target when through on goal in from the left. |
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 7, 2024 17:32:05 GMT
Hunt, not Ward.
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Post by igotgas on Sept 7, 2024 17:32:18 GMT
No he didn’t he picked up the ball in his own half because Barnsley had sat in and played it to a blue shirt. That’s not being dangerous at all. It’s flattering to deceive! And as has been pointed out he did exactly the same as v Tottenham and it should’ve been 3-1! Youv just confirmed exactly what your arguing against. He picked up the ball in his own half drove forwards and passed to a man in a blue shirt. More than any of the other midfielders did all game. Hence the comment we looked more dangerous when he was on the pitch. It's like dealing with shi*heads this. Beg your pardon? Dealing with sh!theads? What a nice guy. Barnsley were done. They had the points on the bag, we weren’t hurting or stretching them and they sat in and tried to just counter. That left the entire half of pitch unopposed. All our players looked better at this stage not just Kofi and playing a few passes at this stage of the game tells us nothing tbh. Fawning over Kofi after that is worse than fawning over Garrett after Cambridge. |
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Post by aforce on Sept 7, 2024 17:33:04 GMT
That depends on who you are playing away doesn't it? If your first games away are against teams that are generally acknowledged to be some of the best in the division then it's not a fair comparison. One of the best in the division haven’t won at home for 6 months |
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Post by igotgas on Sept 7, 2024 17:33:07 GMT
Yes I watched the game but I did leave my rose tinted specs at home to be fair. It was a one sided close game as you’ll see. They weee streets ahead of us. I have no idea what our plan is, what our style is or what we’re hoping to do other than rely on some individual moment or lucky break. Barnsley tore us to bits and only sat off and stayed deep once they were in control. They could still have scored 3 more on the break with slightly better decision making which didn’t even require a save from Griffiths. They tore us to bits but we went in level. Surely that deserves praise for the players for not caving in under pressure and for making a game of it that we could have ended up getting a point from but for a snatched header by Promise and Scotty failing to hit the target when through on goal in from the left. Yeah and I said this at half time 👍 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 7, 2024 17:33:28 GMT
Gasheads, have a little faith in what is very early season. Results will improve once the 16 new players start to gel. Barnsley deserved the win, b ut Rovers had a chance to have equalised near the end! Oakwell is certainly a bogey ground for the Gas. Hopefully back to winning ways at home to Wigan. UTG. We could go to Liverpool or Chelsea and get a chance to equalise at the death, that wouldn't alter the fact they are in a different league, Barnsley looked light years ahead of us today and if they'd won 3 or 4-1 we couldn't really have any complaints. Last season MT blamed unrest in the camp, although their seemed little unrest under Mangan, now he needs time for players to gell, at some point the excuses will have to stop and MT start delivering, the first 15 mins today were some of the worse football from a Rovers side since our last relegation season, MT seems totally incapable of motivating the players before the kick off and they have to grow into away games. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 7, 2024 17:34:37 GMT
That depends on who you are playing away doesn't it? If your first games away are against teams that are generally acknowledged to be some of the best in the division then it's not a fair comparison. One of the best in the division haven’t won at home for 6 months Were the same players from 6 months ago picked by the same manager? |
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Post by eric on Sept 7, 2024 17:37:25 GMT
I think we’ve got decent defenders at the club but I don’t include Luke Thomas in that - I feel so sorry for the lad playing in a back five away from home against decent teams, he’s being set up to fail. Totally different at home when as a wingback he’ll get to spend it far higher up the pitch. (I’d still not be happy with that tbh as he should be in the wide position of the front line or number 10).
We’ve kept some clean sheets but that should be a given at home to rubbish like Cambridge and Northampton. At the moment we’re letting the opposition have on average over 18 goal attempts in the away fixtures but I think that’s more due to formation and how we’re being set up than completely the fault of the players.
It’s still early days and there are some positives with plenty of time for improvement so not writing us off by any means. Will start to form some conclusions after 10-12 games.
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 7, 2024 17:40:40 GMT
You keep using the Tottenham goal as an example. He was left 3 on 1, without a team mate within 10 yards. He did get beaten, but he was had 3 players to think about. He's young and still learning. I'm not sure why you keep signalling out a young player, when all players make mistakes. Because the error at Tottenham was to rush in and commit. I said at the time it was perfectly normal for a young player to do that but the first rule of defending when outnumbered is to delay. I said at the time that he wasn’t ready for league one football for that type of reason because he would (as expected) make those types of mistakes. He made it again today and it should’ve been 3-1. I’m not knocking him im speaking candidly about a player at this level and he’s not there yet. He will be but he’s not yet. If he stayed back on that occasion, the player would have squared it and the other player would have had a free shot from 20 yards. It was more of a team mistake, he shouldn't have been the only player to try and get out. If others went with him, there wouldn't have been an issue. As a coach, I would have moaned at the two players who were in a position to help and ran back towards their own goal when we already had them outnumbered in the box anyway! If they stayed where they were, we would have stayed compact and he wouldn't have been left 3 on 1. One of them was not even looking at the ball and even jogged past Shaw! Shaw was partly to blame, but others were more to blame. Don't always watch the player closest to the ball. Taylor Moore rushed out of position for the first goal today, but you're not calling him out. Is he not ready for first team football? We have not seen enough of Shaw, to say either way. But it's wrong to write him off, for doing what more experienced players do every game! |
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Post by holmesgas1 on Sept 7, 2024 17:42:05 GMT
Did you actually watch the game. First 20 minutes yes. After that pretty even, and we probably looked the better team for the 1st part on the 2nd half. I know their’s rose coloured glasses, but give a little respect to the team. Not just criticism. Yes I watched the game but I did leave my rose tinted specs at home to be fair. It was a one sided close game as you’ll see. They weee streets ahead of us. I have no idea what our plan is, what our style is or what we’re hoping to do other than rely on some individual moment or lucky break. Barnsley tore us to bits and only sat off and stayed deep once they were in control. They could still have scored 3 more on the break with slightly better decision making which didn’t even require a save from Griffiths. They were streets ahead in the first 20, but not after that. This team will grow, and I’m very surprised you cannot see a plan. It may not be one you like, but I believe if we stick with it, we will see more wins, than losses, and I can only see this team getting stronger in the next couple of seasons. Here’s hoping. Ps remove the dark glasses |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 7, 2024 17:45:37 GMT
One of the best in the division haven’t won at home for 6 months Were the same players from 6 months ago picked by the same manager? Most of them would have played v Northampton & Mansfield this season? Even last season they hardly had a clown as manager, to not force a single save from our own play against side who haven't won a league game at home this season is a shocking stat, we now seem to have more expensive strikers than we've every had but have to rely on the injury prone Ward to be the creative spark in midfield. |
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