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Post by gasaholic on Sept 15, 2024 14:37:32 GMT
I am wondering why Mr Taylor finds it necessary to continually shout instructions to the players during the game.
Does he not realise that his shouting breaks the players concentration. There hear is voice, even if the shout is not for them, but they dont know that, they have to listen to to know whether its an instruction to them or not. Either way it breaks their concentratio. Especially effects the younger players who need to concentrate on their play not on a banchee shout from the bench.
Second point about this is if he has to continually coach from the bench, it must put into doubt the the tactics etc they practise during the week are not being done as he
wants. If they dont understand them during a whole weeks training then why would he expect a shout from the bench will do any good.
I believe we have a fairly good, if young and inexperienced, to do far better than that appalling display yesterday.
Our number 3 Sousa , attacking left back, did the attacking bit very well but forgot the defending part, their right winger had a free run.
Conteh looked jet lagged and very jaded. Hutchinson didnt look interested and was just going through the motions. Moore is not a centre back. Conner Taylor should have been on from the beginning
Yes I am having a good moan, but lets face it.........they deserve it. I want my money back !!!!!
Rant over, I'll get my coat.
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Post by stapletongas on Sept 15, 2024 14:59:58 GMT
You’re not a coach are you?
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Post by hollyhillgas on Sept 15, 2024 15:46:34 GMT
After a training session, Ray Graydon admonished the coach for shouting and swearing at the players.
Can't remember Ben Garner saying much on the touchline.
And Martin Dobson did neither.
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Post by igotgas on Sept 15, 2024 16:00:53 GMT
There’s very little mileage in coaching from the sidelines and again it screams desperation of someone who’s not got the necessary work done Monday to Friday.
The players can’t really hear you and they most certainly don’t have time to hear think and react while they’re on possession of the ball and it leads to confusion, self doubt, mistakes and loss of confidence.
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Post by stapletongas on Sept 15, 2024 16:26:10 GMT
You can't stand on a touchline watch mistakes, decision making, poor shape etc and say nothing. You have to attempt to correct issues. If the coach/manager says/does nothing, that would be wrong too.
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Post by Quarters on Sept 15, 2024 16:26:25 GMT
Yet some will, and have , if the manager sits there saying nothing.
How many managers sit there saying nothing during a game.
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Post by stapletongas on Sept 15, 2024 16:28:54 GMT
This forum has gone to the dogs, I give up
Goodbye
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Post by Quarters on Sept 15, 2024 16:29:27 GMT
There’s very little mileage in coaching from the sidelines and again it screams desperation of someone who’s not got the necessary work done Monday to Friday. The players can’t really hear you and they most certainly don’t have time to hear think and react while they’re on possession of the ball and it leads to confusion, self doubt, mistakes and loss of confidence. What, the players don't forget the plan. What, the opposition don't change things during a game? Yet you think it is wrong and a hob not done well during the week. IMO what a load of twaddle. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 15, 2024 16:29:43 GMT
So Taylor stands like a statue during games, sits with his arms folded in the dugout and he shouts instructions to players during games?
This place.
Jesus wept.
Manager manages players shocker.
At every level of the game managers shout instructions to players during games. What the fk is he supposed to do??
We've a young team and they may need additional support from the coaching staff. They certainly need better support from some fans!
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Post by Quarters on Sept 15, 2024 16:31:40 GMT
This forum has gone to the dogs, I give up Goodbye Don't go. But you are correct, there is a load of **** on this forum recently. |
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Post by igotgas on Sept 15, 2024 16:46:43 GMT
There’s very little mileage in coaching from the sidelines and again it screams desperation of someone who’s not got the necessary work done Monday to Friday. The players can’t really hear you and they most certainly don’t have time to hear think and react while they’re on possession of the ball and it leads to confusion, self doubt, mistakes and loss of confidence. What, the players don't forget the plan. What, the opposition don't change things during a game? Yet you think it is wrong and a hob not done well during the week. IMO what a load of twaddle. Forget the plan 🤣🤣 No they don’t forget the plan The point being the managers instructions while the game is in play ie telling a player what to do while he’s in possession just doesn’t work. Tactical stuff during a break in play possibly. I’d they’ve changed shape and you need to counter it of course but I’m talking constantly bellowing in someone’s ear while they’re concentrating on the game isn’t helpful and is very very outdated. I’ve heard many managers talk about having to coach on the day means you haven’t done your job all week very well. Of course it’s not meant literally but the point is salient. |
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Post by Quarters on Sept 15, 2024 17:03:49 GMT
What, the players don't forget the plan. What, the opposition don't change things during a game? Yet you think it is wrong and a hob not done well during the week. IMO what a load of twaddle. Forget the plan 🤣🤣 No they don’t forget the plan The point being the managers instructions while the game is in play ie telling a player what to do while he’s in possession just doesn’t work. Tactical stuff during a break in play possibly. I’d they’ve changed shape and you need to counter it of course but I’m talking constantly bellowing in someone’s ear while they’re concentrating on the game isn’t helpful and is very very outdated. I’ve heard many managers talk about having to coach on the day means you haven’t done your job all week very well. Of course it’s not meant literally but the point is salient. So Taylor is the only manager in 92 teams that does this,? |
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Post by igotgas on Sept 15, 2024 17:13:07 GMT
Again you seem to struggle reading. Maybe just digest the information before typing.
I said shouting and screaming while in possession doesn’t help or work.
The evidence suggests with MT that that’s correct.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 15, 2024 17:15:16 GMT
Forget the plan 🤣🤣 No they don’t forget the plan The point being the managers instructions while the game is in play ie telling a player what to do while he’s in possession just doesn’t work. Tactical stuff during a break in play possibly. I’d they’ve changed shape and you need to counter it of course but I’m talking constantly bellowing in someone’s ear while they’re concentrating on the game isn’t helpful and is very very outdated. I’ve heard many managers talk about having to coach on the day means you haven’t done your job all week very well. Of course it’s not meant literally but the point is salient. So Taylor is the only manager in 92 teams that does this,? Pep and Arteta seem to spend most of the game up.amd down like yo-yo's. Personally I'd have thought the odd shout with specific instructions was better than the endless "close him down" & "get closer" etc as I'd imagine after a while players just switch off, ours seemed to yesterday! |
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Post by igotgas on Sept 15, 2024 17:19:37 GMT
I think the shouts of “get closer” and “close him down” or “press” are more likely to be heard from most managers.
That’s motivation not coaching.
I’m referring more to managers trying to tell players where when and who to pass to or telling them if and when to dribble or pass…..and constantly talking them they should’ve done something else each time they make a mistake.
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Post by mrgasman on Sept 15, 2024 18:03:30 GMT
I am wondering why Mr Taylor finds it necessary to continually shout instructions to the players during the game. Does he not realise that his shouting breaks the players concentration. There hear is voice, even if the shout is not for them, but they dont know that, they have to listen to to know whether its an instruction to them or not. Either way it breaks their concentratio. Especially effects the younger players who need to concentrate on their play not on a banchee shout from the bench. Second point about this is if he has to continually coach from the bench, it must put into doubt the the tactics etc they practise during the week are not being done as he wants. If they dont understand them during a whole weeks training then why would he expect a shout from the bench will do any good. I believe we have a fairly good, if young and inexperienced, to do far better than that appalling display yesterday. Our number 3 Sousa , attacking left back, did the attacking bit very well but forgot the defending part, their right winger had a free run. Conteh looked jet lagged and very jaded. Hutchinson didnt look interested and was just going through the motions. Moore is not a centre back. Conner Taylor should have been on from the beginning Yes I am having a good moan, but lets face it.........they deserve it. I want my money back !!!!! Rant over, I'll get my coat. How else can he relay there message to the players? I sincerely hope you were just drunk when you wrote this ridiculous post. |
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Post by Quarters on Sept 15, 2024 18:41:35 GMT
Again you seem to struggle reading. Maybe just digest the information before typing. I said shouting and screaming while in possession doesn’t help or work. The evidence suggests with MT that that’s correct. You may be correct but most managers do it. You appear, if I read correctly, to be trying to find different ways to criticise Taylor without just blaming him for all our problems. |
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Post by igotgas on Sept 15, 2024 18:52:09 GMT
Again you seem to struggle reading. Maybe just digest the information before typing. I said shouting and screaming while in possession doesn’t help or work. The evidence suggests with MT that that’s correct. You may be correct but most managers do it. You appear, if I read correctly, to be trying to find different ways to criticise Taylor without just blaming him for all our problems. No im entering discussion on a football discussion forum, discussing various things we’ve seen happen over the past few games. I think managers about and cajole and motivate players to push a little harder but I also think managers who try and play the game for the players trying to make every decision for them while in possession mate asking for trouble. It undermines the players thought process and leads to self doubt and lack of confidence and more often than not confusion. That leads to poor performances and poor results. MT has experienced a fair share of that so it may be an issue . |
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Post by walterwhite on Sept 15, 2024 19:09:25 GMT
Jürgen klopp didn't do too bad shouting instructions at some of the best players in the country lol
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 15, 2024 19:22:30 GMT
Jürgen klopp didn't do too bad shouting instructions at some of the best players in the country lol I wonder if he's getting bored doing the house work/gardening and would like a little project in the west country over the winter? |
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