|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Oct 30, 2024 22:31:18 GMT
I agree that Firesticks alone and Sky Sports plus won’t impact attendance but that, coupled with cost of living (I know fans who aren’t going because they can’t afford it), coupled with the pricing changes and removal of kids prices and the removal of season ticket financing and yes the inconsistent results is what is having an effect …. It isn’t binary and isn’t just down to the football performances and results but it does have an impact… You quote Stockport - they are riding a wave after promotion and we know that adds numbers to gates as we saw when we were promoted due to the feel good factor as well as the financing that has been put in and I can’t believe you’re quoting Wrexham who because of their celebrity and high profile owners have one of the the largest worldwide fan bases outside the premier league and attract fans from across the globe because of Ryan Reynolds. Their promotions plus the sheer feel good factor about them as well as the fame and celebrity snapping fans coupled with the hardcore fans who saved the club from extinction so are grateful for where they are is a huge huge factor… don’t they have something like 10000 season ticket holders ? But your last paragraph basically sums up what I am saying, Stockport and Wrexham fans feel part of something and they are being entertained so their attendances are good, doesn’t this turn the firestick and Sky on its head?! 32 goals conceded in 17 games, handbrake football, no connection to the manager (DC), we had terrible facilities back then as well, even worse than now. The club have made a statement in ages to the fans, the team isn’t attractive to the fans, we just use Firesticks and Sky as an excuse and it’s wrong. The OP asked to compare this season with last season, at the time neither side were winning, whilst we still possibly had some feel good factor from the promotion season along with JB claiming we were going to get promoted, it clearly wasn't playing attractive winning football which was attracting 1,000 more wins to watch us last season. So have they stopped watching because we changed from JB to MT or is some of the reduction down to other issues, pretty certain ticket prices etc must have some effect on crowd numbers. |
|
|
|
Post by socrates on Oct 31, 2024 6:24:49 GMT
Same. It was ludicrous to suggest sacking him after 10 games this season and now we’re a couple more games in and we’ve picked up 3 points from those two games If by the end of November we still haven’t clicked and are either in or dangerously close to the drop then yeah , but this is too soon. Based purely on league games I doubt we'll be in any better shape at the end of November: Lincoln - draw at best, Crawley - win, Mansfield loss almost certain? Perhaps , I’d take four points from those three games it wouldn’t be a bad return , any less than 3 and I could understand the board looking elsewhere. |
|
|
|
Post by singupgas on Oct 31, 2024 7:54:25 GMT
Taylor needs to win this weekend, I don't think he can afford to lose to Weston. Hopefully Martin is able to play, need him to be an example Which is what I think this team is missing. There is no leader out there.
|
|
|
|
Post by thegasareback on Oct 31, 2024 7:59:55 GMT
I’ve been told that as long as we aren’t deep in a delegation scrap he’s staying. So I think it’s time we stop moaning, get all these negative threads and anti-MT threads locked and start being gasheads again and give the manager our support.
I’ve moaned about him like we all have but just think we need to draw a line under it as the atmosphere at home games and in general is awful and we need to start helping out some of these young lads who need support on the pitch (there are some rotten eggs in the squad who I believe will be exited).
I fully get that the players and staff need to help create that bond, MT not applauding the fans after hudd was indefensible for example, but we are where we are and let’s start being a united club. UTG.
Rant over.
|
|
|
|
Post by Quarters on Oct 31, 2024 8:14:01 GMT
Roadman/Pirate.
As you like stats. There was a large increase of prices for concessions at the start of the season. I think the age group from 11 to 21 badly effected. Also over 65s had large increases in parts of the ground.
How does this compare with those other clubs?
|
|
|
|
Post by discodave on Oct 31, 2024 8:21:01 GMT
I wonder how many fans we've lost this season due to the season ticket price increases and the lack of a finance scheme, along with so many games being shown live on Sky/dodgy firesticks? They have exiled the exact people who we should be attracting 16-21 year olds . just look around and you will see the average age is about 50 ! in 20 years where will be if we are happy with mediocrity . I put the blame fully at Abdullatif's door , zero idea what he is doing |
|
|
|
Post by roadman on Oct 31, 2024 8:33:07 GMT
Roadman/Pirate. As you like stats. There was a large increase of prices for concessions at the start of the season. I think the age group from 11 to 21 badly effected. Also over 65s had large increases in parts of the ground. How does this compare with those other clubs? I don’t know I’m reading above they had near 25,283 because of Liam Manning and his situation but they had 24,898 against Oxford 3 weeks before, we are looking through the polo again for excuses, why do we keep doing it? The latest prices haven’t alienated 1 or 2,000 fans and a league up, dearer ticket prices, Oxford are selling out every game. *Football fans find the money always to seeing winning football and to be part of something. PLEASE stop making excuses. When life is tough, the economy, football has always survived, 99% of fans who need a realise from the marriage breakdown, cash flow issues, whatever, don’t go and get a hit of crystal meth, they escape by going to the football with their mates, where do you think half of the hooliganism comes from, the escape! The same night we had 6,361 against Shrews, York in the National League had 6,041 against Barnet at home. They are top of the league, their fans not staying at home, they are finding the money! |
|
|
|
Post by Somersetgas on Oct 31, 2024 8:44:54 GMT
Roadman/Pirate. As you like stats. There was a large increase of prices for concessions at the start of the season. I think the age group from 11 to 21 badly effected. Also over 65s had large increases in parts of the ground. How does this compare with those other clubs? I don’t know I’m reading above they had near 25,283 because of Liam Manning and his situation but they had 24,898 against Oxford 3 weeks before, we are looking through the polo again for excuses, why do we keep doing it? The latest prices haven’t alienated 1 or 2,000 fans and a league up, dearer ticket prices, Oxford are selling out every game. *Football fans find the money always to seeing winning football and to be part of something. PLEASE stop making excuses. When life is tough, the economy, football has always survived, 99% of fans who need a realise from the marriage breakdown, cash flow issues, whatever, don’t go and get a hit of crystal meth, they escape by going to the football with their mates, where do you think half of the hooliganism comes from, the escape! The same night we had 6,361 against Shrews, York in the National League had 6,041 against Barnet at home. They are top of the league, their fans not staying at home, they are finding the money! I’ll be honest the Season Ticket prices for children stopped me purchasing Season Tickets on principal but the lack of Saturday games at three has also stopped me from taking the boys along, alongside a new job with different hours than I have ever been used to. We did get to Reading Saturday which is a contradiction in itself. I’ve also had other plans that coincide with the games, the performances of the last eighteen months have put the game on the back burner, I’d like to see some entertainment. The atmosphere is flat the whole thing just isn’t what it was. It also seems like there have been very few Saturday home 3PM kick offs so far this season alongside International breaks. I find local non league more entertaining and engaging. That’s just a few of my reasons, some are similar to the Atkins period where I stopped attending until he was put on leave/sacked. |
|
|
|
Post by roadman on Oct 31, 2024 8:51:58 GMT
We have scored 6 goals in open play this season at home and 2 from set pieces, this is in six games. Just beating poor teams, I say just, 1-0 twice v Northampton and Shrews, 2-0 Cambridge, 3-2 Charlton.
Fans are not leaving the Mem seeing end to end games, opposition battered.
Something like 1.33 goals a home game, we’ve also let in 8 goals. The Wigan 0-4 will have killed off a lot, the Wycombe game was brutal as well losing 1-2 in the last minute.
You factor all this in, why would you go if you could find an excuse not to, the Firestick?
This is a business, the product and entertainment is minimal, we are in the entertainment business. What we are seeing now is the Cogs situation again, the big difference is he started to win us over and was winning away from home as well, 1200 at Portman Road saw it and the league table in December showed us nearly 2nd in the league. MT can’t get us points away from home, he’s made the home games life and death for us whilst making it uncomfortable to watch at times, only man has created this. We have more pace in the squad than we’ve had for years, athleticism all over the pitch, I don’t see end to end football, counter attacking like the Red Arrows, we can’t get men into the box, we have Ward and Lindsay or Conteh massaging Wilson’s legs when the ball goes in the opposition box.
|
|
|
|
Post by nailseamark on Oct 31, 2024 9:06:50 GMT
I don’t go anywhere near as much as I used to. For me every time I do go the football is appalling, the opposition are time wasting, everyone at The Mem is miserable. I used to enjoy a good song but no one is doing that anymore.
The club always feels like it’s going through deep trouble even when it’s not.
|
|
|
|
Post by Somersetgas on Oct 31, 2024 9:08:23 GMT
We have scored 6 goals in open play this season at home and 2 from set pieces, this is in six games. Just beating poor teams, I say just, 1-0 twice v Northampton and Shrews, 2-0 Cambridge, 3-2 Charlton. Fans are not leaving the Mem seeing end to end games, opposition battered. Something like 1.33 goals a home game, we’ve also let in 8 goals. The Wigan 0-4 will have killed off a lot, the Wycombe game was brutal as well losing 1-2 in the last minute. You factor all this in, why would you go if you could find an excuse not to, the Firestick? This is a business, the product and entertainment is minimal, we are in the entertainment business. What we are seeing now is the Cogs situation again, the big difference is he started to win us over and was winning away from home as well, 1200 at Portman Road saw it and the league table in December showed us nearly 2nd in the league. MT can’t get us points away from home, he’s made the home games life and death for us whilst making it uncomfortable to watch at times, only man has created this. We have more pace in the squad than we’ve had for years, athleticism all over the pitch, I don’t see end to end football, counter attacking like the Red Arrows, we can’t get men into the box, we have Ward and Lindsay or Conteh massaging Wilson’s legs when the ball goes in the opposition box. There’s definitely a lack of flair and creativity, what are we now, a quarter of the way into the season? It’s poor. |
|
|
|
Post by William Wilson on Oct 31, 2024 9:10:18 GMT
We are living proof, life long season ticket holders, Taylor broke us last season, and the new board gave us little faith for the future, and so, we did not renew our season tickets. Attended the Wigan game and for the first time since supporting and attending games since 1966 we walked out with a third of the game still to play. I have seen nothing that will change my mind that things will change, I muttered as I left the Wigan game “ I won’t be back until that idiot is gone!! “. Sadly I now find myself asking why bother!!! Feel exactly the same, but did renew my season ticket again. It`s just something I do now ( a bit like muscle memory ). Renew house insurance, renew car insurance, renew season ticket. I do regularly ask myself why I bother, when at the moment I get so little back for my time and money. But I live in hope that Taylor can turn things around or ( more likely ) we get rid and bring in someone who knows what they`re doing. |
|
|
|
Post by gashead79 on Oct 31, 2024 9:21:02 GMT
I wonder how many fans we've lost this season due to the season ticket price increases and the lack of a finance scheme, along with so many games being shown live on Sky/dodgy firesticks? Probably a way bigger factor than people realise. Cost of living biting for many people, the football is not a cheap day out. I'm not sure about cost of living being a reason. Maybe for a few but not many. Most of the people I see in the boozers on a Saturday aren't there because it isn't compelling to go. They're still throwing 8 pints plus a packet of pork scratchings down, so money isn't the issue. Also, whilst high streets appear to be dying, the fancy restaurants, country pubs, bowling alleys and fitness centres are rammed. David Lloyds carparks are always full. Cost of living isn't affecting our target market imo. The entertainment and value for money is below what punters expect, so they'll do other things. I'm in this bracket but the added detail for me is BRFC in general. I won't take my family to a venue that is so poor in terms of basic facilities. |
|
|
|
Post by gashead79 on Oct 31, 2024 9:23:04 GMT
Taylor needs to win this weekend, I don't think he can afford to lose to Weston. Hopefully Martin is able to play, need him to be an example Which is what I think this team is missing. There is no leader out there. Not a chance in hell we'll lose to Weston. If that happens, the whole squad plus manager should walk barefooted from the ground to the centre and have rotten fruit thrown at them. |
|
|
|
Post by chewbacca on Oct 31, 2024 9:25:02 GMT
Probably a way bigger factor than people realise. Cost of living biting for many people, the football is not a cheap day out. I'm not sure about cost of living being a reason. Maybe for a few but not many. Most of the people I see in the boozers on a Saturday aren't there because it isn't compelling to go. They're still throwing 8 pints plus a packet of pork scratchings down, so money isn't the issue. Also, whilst high streets appear to be dying, the fancy restaurants, country pubs, bowling alleys and fitness centres are rammed. David Lloyds carparks are always full. Cost of living isn't affecting our target market imo. The entertainment and value for money is below what punters expect, so they'll do other things. I'm in this bracket but the added detail for me is BRFC in general. I won't take my family to a venue that is so poor in terms of basic facilities. David Lloyd carpark? Christ. |
|
|
|
Post by gashead79 on Oct 31, 2024 9:29:37 GMT
I’ve been told that as long as we aren’t deep in a delegation scrap he’s staying. So I think it’s time we stop moaning, get all these negative threads and anti-MT threads locked and start being gasheads again and give the manager our support. I’ve moaned about him like we all have but just think we need to draw a line under it as the atmosphere at home games and in general is awful and we need to start helping out some of these young lads who need support on the pitch (there are some rotten eggs in the squad who I believe will be exited). I fully get that the players and staff need to help create that bond, MT not applauding the fans after hudd was indefensible for example, but we are where we are and let’s start being a united club. UTG. Rant over. This forum cannot affect the crowd mood or vibe. Even the brilliant ffsc with hundreds of members, had just around 30 attendees max at matchday events. Not enough numbers to sway the other 6k in attendance. We don't have a fans group or 'ultras', only small pockets of individuals to start songs. If they are demotivated, then it's dead. So here we are. There is zero relationship between the tram and the fanbase. Do the players talk to our supporters pre/post match? Does anybody know any of the players? Any family ties? Any "one of our own"? Not much to relate to sadly. |
|
|
|
Post by gashead79 on Oct 31, 2024 9:31:38 GMT
I'm not sure about cost of living being a reason. Maybe for a few but not many. Most of the people I see in the boozers on a Saturday aren't there because it isn't compelling to go. They're still throwing 8 pints plus a packet of pork scratchings down, so money isn't the issue. Also, whilst high streets appear to be dying, the fancy restaurants, country pubs, bowling alleys and fitness centres are rammed. David Lloyds carparks are always full. Cost of living isn't affecting our target market imo. The entertainment and value for money is below what punters expect, so they'll do other things. I'm in this bracket but the added detail for me is BRFC in general. I won't take my family to a venue that is so poor in terms of basic facilities. David Lloyd carpark? Christ. Yeah. What? I could walk in there on a Saturday afternoon(emersons) and point at lots of rovers fans who would have been at games in the past. Now they'd rather spend £200 a month in a sauna instead! |
|
|
|
Post by returnofthedust on Oct 31, 2024 9:37:26 GMT
It’s like anything really isn’t it?
If you go for a meal and it’s substandard you don’t go back.
Football gets a little more leeway as people are emotionally attached to their club but in today’s world where there are so many other options you have to put a good product on show.
We’ve been watching substandard football for close to 6 years now bar a small window in league 2 where the football was exciting and we were winning.
A simple question for anyone who doesn’t think it’s the football why people are staying away….if we were around the top 6 and playing exciting football do you think we’d be getting the same crowds?
|
|
|
|
Post by chewbacca on Oct 31, 2024 9:39:53 GMT
David Lloyd carpark? Christ. Yeah. What? I could walk in there on a Saturday afternoon(emersons) and point at lots of rovers fans who would have been at games in the past. Now they'd rather spend £200 a month in a sauna instead! People try to over simplify things. There's plenty of reasons why people stop going; the quality of the football, the cost of living crisis, the facilities, the atmosphere, life... I don't think there's much around the club to enthuse people at the moment on and off the field but it's Dam hard out there as well. Implying everyone is down the pub launching 8 pints or sat in a sauna at David Lloyd is pretty blinkered. |
|
|
|
Post by roadman on Oct 31, 2024 9:40:18 GMT
I’ve been told that as long as we aren’t deep in a delegation scrap he’s staying. So I think it’s time we stop moaning, get all these negative threads and anti-MT threads locked and start being gasheads again and give the manager our support. I’ve moaned about him like we all have but just think we need to draw a line under it as the atmosphere at home games and in general is awful and we need to start helping out some of these young lads who need support on the pitch (there are some rotten eggs in the squad who I believe will be exited). I fully get that the players and staff need to help create that bond, MT not applauding the fans after hudd was indefensible for example, but we are where we are and let’s start being a united club. UTG. Rant over. This forum cannot affect the crowd mood or vibe. Even the brilliant ffsc with hundreds of members, had just around 30 attendees max at matchday events. Not enough numbers to sway the other 6k in attendance. We don't have a fans group or 'ultras', only small pockets of individuals to start songs. If they are demotivated, then it's dead. So here we are. There is zero relationship between the tram and the fanbase. Do the players talk to our supporters pre/post match? Does anybody know any of the players? Any family ties? Any "one of our own"? Not much to relate to sadly. I thought this and spot on, this is a tiny minority as well compared to the FB groups and Twitter. I go to England cricket games in person, the Mem is like this now “how is work”, “how are the kids” and “is she giving you hassle at home still?!”………it’s not seat of your pants stuff where you tell the person next to you to shut up because you are concentrating! In football, the team on the pitch itself is the biggest PR and marketing tool for the club. Reading still with the same owner, all of a sudden you don’t here about him as much and no tennis balls thrown Saturday, winning entertaining football basically covers up so much. Same men in the boardroom against Barnet on that midweek night at the Mem which was rocking in the National League as Mansfield last game of the season when we went down 6 months before……..the team and manager masked it all. Us and me screaming overhyped support to the team won’t change him putting Lindsay and Ward in front of the back four and in many cases 5 at the back, that’s 7 defensive players of the 11?! |
|
