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Post by bluestickgas1 on Oct 30, 2024 18:22:40 GMT
I’ve already said that I don’t believe either Lowe or Schumacher would come (Schumacher wants Championship and will eventually get it again unless it’s a ‘big club’ with strong chance of promotion and Lowe has pretty much always been North West based except Plymouth and that was financial and circumstantial low paying and likely relegation candidates Bury to high paying and promotion candidates Plymouth to protect his CV)…. Ainsworth is a functional long ball manager so won’t suit players here or fans desires (just look at Coughlan) and Critchley is at Hearts… so I maintain that there isn’t any real suitable candidates available at present and I can’t see us paying compo for someone when things aren’t anywhere near as bad as being made out…. Unless we were in the bottom 4 how could things be much worse? Just because we can't list suitable candidates doesn't mean there are none available, Critchley was available until he got the Hearts job recently, there must be others. I agree that there could be others available but I’m struggling to think of or name any who are suitable or attainable…. Re not being much worse it’s all about perception and expectations - I never believed that we’d be playoff or top 3 challengers this season and with the age profile of players brought in, the experience profile of players brought in, the sheer number of players brought in, the disjointed pre-season for many and the injuries we’ve had, I always expected us to be a work in progress and inconsistent the first half of the season…. I have seen enough in parts of games to maintain that we won’t be relegated and that we’ll eventually end up mid table this season which is the plan with challenges for play offs and top 3 being next season / the season after… We have development plans for the stadium and the training ground and a squad full of potential so no it isn’t that bad compared to our history |
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Post by nailseamark on Oct 30, 2024 18:35:59 GMT
As much as I dislike him we can’t keep doing this. New man comes in we get relegated and then it’s a fight to back to league 1 again, rinse and repeat.
We have a terrible track record for bringing a new manager in who instantly turns things around.
I think we will survive with Matt Taylor but it won’t be pretty.
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Post by socrates on Oct 30, 2024 18:44:53 GMT
As much as I dislike him we can’t keep doing this. New man comes in we get relegated and then it’s a fight to back to league 1 again, rinse and repeat. We have a terrible track record for bringing a new manager in who instantly turns things around. I think we will survive with Matt Taylor but it won’t be pretty. Same. It was ludicrous to suggest sacking him after 10 games this season and now we’re a couple more games in and we’ve picked up 3 points from those two games If by the end of November we still haven’t clicked and are either in or dangerously close to the drop then yeah , but this is too soon. |
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Post by peterhooper57 on Oct 30, 2024 19:00:06 GMT
The Taylor facts, attendances, last 6 home games, most recent 6361, 6638, 7814, 7925, 7893, 8529. lost 2160 off the gate since Northampton. Can he turn this trend around ?
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 30, 2024 19:26:37 GMT
As much as I dislike him we can’t keep doing this. New man comes in we get relegated and then it’s a fight to back to league 1 again, rinse and repeat. We have a terrible track record for bringing a new manager in who instantly turns things around. I think we will survive with Matt Taylor but it won’t be pretty. Same. It was ludicrous to suggest sacking him after 10 games this season and now we’re a couple more games in and we’ve picked up 3 points from those two games If by the end of November we still haven’t clicked and are either in or dangerously close to the drop then yeah , but this is too soon. Based purely on league games I doubt we'll be in any better shape at the end of November: Lincoln - draw at best, Crawley - win, Mansfield loss almost certain? |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Oct 30, 2024 19:26:40 GMT
The Taylor facts, attendances, last 6 home games, most recent 6361, 6638, 7814, 7925, 7893, 8529. lost 2160 off the gate since Northampton. Can he turn this trend around ? But consider who we played, how many fans they brought, whether it was a Saturday or night game, the weather, and what else was on that would compete as well as how those crowds compare with last season crowds for the same games or equivalent |
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Post by pirate on Oct 30, 2024 19:47:43 GMT
The Taylor facts, attendances, last 6 home games, most recent 6361, 6638, 7814, 7925, 7893, 8529. lost 2160 off the gate since Northampton. Can he turn this trend around ? But consider who we played, how many fans they brought, whether it was a Saturday or night game, the weather, and what else was on that would compete as well as how those crowds compare with last season crowds for the same games or equivalent  |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 30, 2024 19:57:46 GMT
I wonder how many fans we've lost this season due to the season ticket price increases and the lack of a finance scheme, along with so many games being shown live on Sky/dodgy firesticks?
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Post by pirate on Oct 30, 2024 19:58:50 GMT
I wonder how many fans we've lost this season due to the season ticket price increases and the lack of a finance scheme, along with so many games being shown live on Sky/dodgy firesticks? Fair points. |
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Post by dulwichgas on Oct 30, 2024 20:14:55 GMT
I wonder how many fans we've lost this season due to the season ticket price increases and the lack of a finance scheme, along with so many games being shown live on Sky/dodgy firesticks? Probably a way bigger factor than people realise. Cost of living biting for many people, the football is not a cheap day out. |
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Post by eric on Oct 30, 2024 20:38:36 GMT
I wonder how many fans we've lost this season due to the season ticket price increases and the lack of a finance scheme, along with so many games being shown live on Sky/dodgy firesticks? Probably a way bigger factor than people realise. Cost of living biting for many people, the football is not a cheap day out. I know quite a few who don’t bother going to games much now. Not heard a single one say it’s due to cost of living - the common factor for those I know is results and quality of performance over the past year. (I’m sure there are some that cost is the main barrier, I’ve just not heard of any personally). |
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Post by RD on Oct 30, 2024 20:47:11 GMT
Probably a way bigger factor than people realise. Cost of living biting for many people, the football is not a cheap day out. I know quite a few who don’t bother going to games much now. Not heard a single one say it’s due to cost of living - the common factor for those I know is results and quality of performance over the past year. (I’m sure there are some that cost is the main barrier, I’ve just not heard of any personally). It's probably linked. I.e. not that they can't afford to go per se, but much much harder to justify |
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Post by roadman on Oct 30, 2024 20:55:23 GMT
Probably a way bigger factor than people realise. Cost of living biting for many people, the football is not a cheap day out. I know quite a few who don’t bother going to games much now. Not heard a single one say it’s due to cost of living - the common factor for those I know is results and quality of performance over the past year. (I’m sure there are some that cost is the main barrier, I’ve just not heard of any personally). Firestick excuse is a poor one, Oxford selling out for home games, 26,000 at Ashton Gate Saturday. Fans love winning football which is entertaining and being part of something. DC winning football got much more gates than Cogs winning football as well. Nothing beats going in person It’s a bit like your sh** local being empty and everyone saying the pints are now expensive but the pub down the road is doing a roaring trade and busy 👍 |
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Post by returnofthedust on Oct 30, 2024 20:58:13 GMT
I know quite a few who don’t bother going to games much now. Not heard a single one say it’s due to cost of living - the common factor for those I know is results and quality of performance over the past year. (I’m sure there are some that cost is the main barrier, I’ve just not heard of any personally). Firestick excuse is a poor one, Oxford selling out for home games, 26,000 at Ashton Gate Saturday. Fans love winning football which is entertaining and being part of something. DC winning football got much more gates than Cogs winning football as well. Nothing beats going in person It’s a bit like your sh** local being empty and everyone saying the pints are now expensive but the pub down the road is doing a roaring trade and busy 👍 Put on a good product and people find the cash. It’s really that simple. |
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Post by roadman on Oct 30, 2024 21:15:41 GMT
Firestick excuse is a poor one, Oxford selling out for home games, 26,000 at Ashton Gate Saturday. Fans love winning football which is entertaining and being part of something. DC winning football got much more gates than Cogs winning football as well. Nothing beats going in person It’s a bit like your sh** local being empty and everyone saying the pints are now expensive but the pub down the road is doing a roaring trade and busy 👍 Put on a good product and people find the cash. It’s really that simple. Lincoln 5th the league, 8,219 on Tuesday night. Stockport, they talk about the north/south divide, 8,128 last night, Reading won’t have taken many either. Bristol Rovers Fans = Kings of Excuses Wrexham shuts down all arguments, the county borough including the city is 135,000. They are not pulling in fans from Cardiff and Swansea, it’s miles away. 12,894 there the same Tuesday night we had 6,381. The old firestick stick excuse, they were on Sky Sports Plus as well, the old cost of living excuse as well?! Winning football, the fans feel part of something, they don’t want to miss out, they want to go to games and celebrate with friends and family. I wish people would start looking out of the window, research stuff and stop making excuses. |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Oct 30, 2024 21:31:16 GMT
Put on a good product and people find the cash. It’s really that simple. Lincoln 5th the league, 8,219 on Tuesday night. Stockport, they talk about the north/south divide, 8,128 last night, Reading won’t have taken many either. Bristol Rovers Fans = Kings of Excuses Wrexham shuts down all arguments, the county borough including the city is 135,000. They are not pulling in fans from Cardiff and Swansea, it’s miles away. 12,894 there the same Tuesday night we had 6,381. The old firestick stick excuse, they were on Sky Sports Plus as well, the old cost of living excuse as well?! Winning football, the fans feel part of something, they don’t want to miss out, they want to go to games and celebrate with friends and family. I wish people would start looking out of the window, research stuff and stop making excuses. I agree that Firesticks alone and Sky Sports plus won’t impact attendance but that, coupled with cost of living (I know fans who aren’t going because they can’t afford it), coupled with the pricing changes and removal of kids prices and the removal of season ticket financing and yes the inconsistent results is what is having an effect …. It isn’t binary and isn’t just down to the football performances and results but it does have an impact… You quote Stockport - they are riding a wave after promotion and we know that adds numbers to gates as we saw when we were promoted due to the feel good factor as well as the financing that has been put in and I can’t believe you’re quoting Wrexham who because of their celebrity and high profile owners have one of the the largest worldwide fan bases outside the premier league and attract fans from across the globe because of Ryan Reynolds. Their promotions plus the sheer feel good factor about them as well as the fame and celebrity snapping fans coupled with the hardcore fans who saved the club from extinction so are grateful for where they are is a huge huge factor… don’t they have something like 10000 season ticket holders ? |
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Post by roadman on Oct 30, 2024 21:54:10 GMT
Lincoln 5th the league, 8,219 on Tuesday night. Stockport, they talk about the north/south divide, 8,128 last night, Reading won’t have taken many either. Bristol Rovers Fans = Kings of Excuses Wrexham shuts down all arguments, the county borough including the city is 135,000. They are not pulling in fans from Cardiff and Swansea, it’s miles away. 12,894 there the same Tuesday night we had 6,381. The old firestick stick excuse, they were on Sky Sports Plus as well, the old cost of living excuse as well?! Winning football, the fans feel part of something, they don’t want to miss out, they want to go to games and celebrate with friends and family. I wish people would start looking out of the window, research stuff and stop making excuses. I agree that Firesticks alone and Sky Sports plus won’t impact attendance but that, coupled with cost of living (I know fans who aren’t going because they can’t afford it), coupled with the pricing changes and removal of kids prices and the removal of season ticket financing and yes the inconsistent results is what is having an effect …. It isn’t binary and isn’t just down to the football performances and results but it does have an impact… You quote Stockport - they are riding a wave after promotion and we know that adds numbers to gates as we saw when we were promoted due to the feel good factor as well as the financing that has been put in and I can’t believe you’re quoting Wrexham who because of their celebrity and high profile owners have one of the the largest worldwide fan bases outside the premier league and attract fans from across the globe because of Ryan Reynolds. Their promotions plus the sheer feel good factor about them as well as the fame and celebrity snapping fans coupled with the hardcore fans who saved the club from extinction so are grateful for where they are is a huge huge factor… don’t they have something like 10000 season ticket holders ? But your last paragraph basically sums up what I am saying, Stockport and Wrexham fans feel part of something and they are being entertained so their attendances are good, doesn’t this turn the firestick and Sky on its head?! 32 goals conceded in 17 games, handbrake football, no connection to the manager (DC), we had terrible facilities back then as well, even worse than now. The club have made a statement in ages to the fans, the team isn’t attractive to the fans, we just use Firesticks and Sky as an excuse and it’s wrong. |
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Post by warwickgas on Oct 30, 2024 22:03:49 GMT
Firestick excuse is a poor one, Oxford selling out for home games, 26,000 at Ashton Gate Saturday. Fans love winning football which is entertaining and being part of something. DC winning football got much more gates than Cogs winning football as well. Nothing beats going in person It’s a bit like your sh** local being empty and everyone saying the pints are now expensive but the pub down the road is doing a roaring trade and busy 👍 Put on a good product and people find the cash. It’s really that simple. |
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Post by warwickgas on Oct 30, 2024 22:08:46 GMT
The 26000 at Ashton Gate has to be taken in context. The crowd was “managed” from fairly early in the morning as they were initiating a tribute to the loss of Liam Mannings son . There was a huge sympathy turnout not consistent with usual home match trends.
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Post by bluecamel on Oct 30, 2024 22:18:30 GMT
We are living proof, life long season ticket holders, Taylor broke us last season, and the new board gave us little faith for the future, and so, we did not renew our season tickets. Attended the Wigan game and for the first time since supporting and attending games since 1966 we walked out with a third of the game still to play. I have seen nothing that will change my mind that things will change, I muttered as I left the Wigan game “ I won’t be back until that idiot is gone!! “. Sadly I now find myself asking why bother!!!
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