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Post by dmacca65 on Oct 26, 2024 18:18:27 GMT
Not going to get carried away, but I slated you after Huddersfield, just to balance my opinion I thought that was good today, we were in the game for most part unlike last week, the backs against the wall after going down to 10 men was tremendous, they seemed to play for you today and for my part losing gets so much easier when you can see hope.
Come on Mr manager more of the same please. Good luck and all!
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Post by bluegas on Oct 26, 2024 18:29:59 GMT
Not going to get carried away, but I slated you after Huddersfield, just to balance my opinion I thought that was good today, we were in the game for most part unlike last week, the backs against the wall after going down to 10 men was tremendous, they seemed to play for you today and for my part losing gets so much easier when you can see hope. Come on Mr manager more of the same please. Good luck and all! On the way up (to Reading) I said to my buddy that I wouldn't mind losing if it was with a fight and a reasonable performance. I thought that was what we got. Trouble is, how many of us really think MT will have learnt anything? That the next league game will be back to the same old? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 26, 2024 20:34:38 GMT
Not going to get carried away, but I slated you after Huddersfield, just to balance my opinion I thought that was good today, we were in the game for most part unlike last week, the backs against the wall after going down to 10 men was tremendous, they seemed to play for you today and for my part losing gets so much easier when you can see hope. Come on Mr manager more of the same please. Good luck and all! On the way up (to Reading) I said to my buddy that I wouldn't mind losing if it was with a fight and a reasonable performance. I thought that was what we got. Trouble is, how many of us really think MT will have learnt anything? That the next league game will be back to the same old? Hes tried a back 4 a couple of times recently and has been rewarded with improvement from nearly every player. I'd say he is changing and learning. |
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Post by devonwhite9 on Oct 26, 2024 22:17:07 GMT
On the way up (to Reading) I said to my buddy that I wouldn't mind losing if it was with a fight and a reasonable performance. I thought that was what we got. Trouble is, how many of us really think MT will have learnt anything? That the next league game will be back to the same old? Hes tried a back 4 a couple of times recently and has been rewarded with improvement from nearly every player. I'd say he is changing and learning. I would agree. For me a back 3 and wing backs doesn't work. Several managers have tried it and reverted to a 4. Appreciate this is a simplistic view but it worked under Holloway in 99/00 and Coughlan when we had complete forwards who could turn a game on their own. Without a Jason Roberts or Clarke-Harris leading the line the forwards can be isolated from the midfield |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 27, 2024 6:37:28 GMT
This is where I am atm:
Difficult, as fanbase is divided and most don't know whether to stick or twist, and if you twist: to who?
I'm remaining neutral.
Tbh, what matches have we lost we weren't expecting (in contemporary terms) to lose?
We got an unexpected draw at recently relegated Rotherham away.
We beat high spending Charlton at home (who then go on to beat Birmingham City in next match).
So, arguably you can look at it and say: we are a few points ahead of where we should be.
For me, he makes mistakes.
I'm not sure the fanbase is unified behind him yet - not to say it can change in future.
His replacements of last season's senior pros are inferior.
His players don't play as a team.
Too many individual errors in defence.
We don't score enough goals.
But having said all that, we're a way from relegation zone with a lot to play for.
We need stability in this transitional period, and I don't see any other candidate can come in and make a huge difference with what we've got at the moment.
He has much work to do, but one great second half performance when down to 10 men in a year isn't good enough for me, but it might be good enough to stay up - and that's the priority.
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Post by 1950gas on Oct 27, 2024 7:18:06 GMT
I was a Taylor fan and thought at the time he was the right fit. New arrivals got my blood pumping, good pre season by Gas standards and all pumped up for a top six finish.
I'm now in my 70's and quite disillusioned that we really haven't progressed at all. Stats say no improvement on Barton's reign . I remember some good timesat Eastville and the disjointed times in Bath.
The Mem is the mem and just a bog standard Div2 standard ground. The UWA project was a disaster .
Getting back to the topic I'm now glass half full regarding Taylor . I find him boring and football boring , yesterdays game the exception .
Time running out so come on Gas get you bucking act together and give me some happy times.
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Post by blueridge on Oct 27, 2024 7:49:07 GMT
This is where I am atm: Difficult, as fanbase is divided and most don't know whether to stick or twist, and if you twist: to who? I'm remaining neutral. Tbh, what matches have we lost we weren't expecting (in contemporary terms) to lose? We got an unexpected draw at recently relegated Rotherham away. We beat high spending Charlton at home (who then go on to beat Birmingham City in next match). So, arguably you can look at it and say: we are a few points ahead of where we should be. For me, he makes mistakes. I'm not sure the fanbase is unified behind him yet - not to say it can change in future. His replacements of last season's senior pros are inferior. His players don't play as a team. Too many individual errors in defence. We don't score enough goals. But having said all that, we're a way from relegation zone with a lot to play for. We need stability in this transitional period, and I don't see any other candidate can come in and make a huge difference with what we've got at the moment. He has much work to do, but one great second half performance when down to 10 men in a year isn't good enough for me, but it might be good enough to stay up - and that's the priority. Agree with much of what you say here - we did lose at home to a poor Wigan team - they’ve only scored 10 goals in 12 games and four of those goals came against us. IMO this is a poor unbalanced squad of players which we’ve likely paid the best part of £1.5 million for - the outstanding player for me so far being a young loan keeper from WBA who cost us nothing. We have a defence that is always likely to concede goals - no creativity from midfield and an impotent attack. A recipe for relegation - I think we’ll just about stay up in spite of, with currently four stand out teams worse than us. It’s going to be a long season - a new manager coming in at some point feels almost inevitable to me. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 27, 2024 8:15:07 GMT
Is the squad imbalanced or the manager incapable of getting the best out of a decent squad? Only Sotiriou looks a poor signing so far and if Martin had stayed fit he may well have only been used as a sub anyway.
The midfield looked creative enough yesterday when we decided to take the game to Reading!
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Post by aforce on Oct 27, 2024 8:24:44 GMT
You could see at the the end of the game today players led on the deck after giving it everything they had and exhausted. Why can’t they put that effort in every game, not once this season have they all came off shattered. That should be a minimum standard.
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Post by bluegas on Oct 27, 2024 8:46:27 GMT
Is the squad imbalanced or the manager incapable of getting the best out of a decent squad? Only Sotiriou looks a poor signing so far and if Martin had stayed fit he may well have only been used as a sub anyway. The midfield looked creative enough yesterday when we decided to take the game to Reading! "We decided to take" - surely the manager decided? In another poster's words "took the handbrake off". Or would you perhaps suggest the players decided to ignore him? |
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Post by bluegas on Oct 27, 2024 8:47:56 GMT
You could see at the the end of the game today players led on the deck after giving it everything they had and exhausted. Why can’t they put that effort in every game, not once this season have they all came off shattered. That should be a minimum standard. Once again, possibly the manager ultimately responsible? |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 27, 2024 9:23:18 GMT
This is where I am atm: Difficult, as fanbase is divided and most don't know whether to stick or twist, and if you twist: to who? I'm remaining neutral. Tbh, what matches have we lost we weren't expecting (in contemporary terms) to lose? We got an unexpected draw at recently relegated Rotherham away. We beat high spending Charlton at home (who then go on to beat Birmingham City in next match). So, arguably you can look at it and say: we are a few points ahead of where we should be. For me, he makes mistakes. I'm not sure the fanbase is unified behind him yet - not to say it can change in future. His replacements of last season's senior pros are inferior. His players don't play as a team. Too many individual errors in defence. We don't score enough goals. But having said all that, we're a way from relegation zone with a lot to play for. We need stability in this transitional period, and I don't see any other candidate can come in and make a huge difference with what we've got at the moment. He has much work to do, but one great second half performance when down to 10 men in a year isn't good enough for me, but it might be good enough to stay up - and that's the priority. Agree with much of what you say here - we did lose at home to a poor Wigan team - they’ve only scored 10 goals .... Ah well I did say in contemporary time. Wigan at the time had no previous weekend match because they were internationally postponed, which offered them rest time and chances for injury recovery. However, they were in the relegation zone at contemporary time and they beat us easily last match of the last season. The rest of your post is very decent imo. |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 27, 2024 9:45:45 GMT
On the way up (to Reading) I said to my buddy that I wouldn't mind losing if it was with a fight and a reasonable performance. I thought that was what we got. Trouble is, how many of us really think MT will have learnt anything? That the next league game will be back to the same old? Hes tried a back 4 a couple of times recently and has been rewarded with improvement from nearly every player. I'd say he is changing and learning. 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞💙Utg |
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Post by bambergashead on Oct 27, 2024 9:51:32 GMT
Is the squad imbalanced or the manager incapable of getting the best out of a decent squad? Only Sotiriou looks a poor signing so far and if Martin had stayed fit he may well have only been used as a sub anyway. The midfield looked creative enough yesterday when we decided to take the game to Reading! "We decided to take" - surely the manager decided? In another poster's words "took the handbrake off". Or would you perhaps suggest the players decided to ignore him? But who is controlling the handbrake... the manager or the owner's son? |
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Post by bluegas on Oct 27, 2024 10:21:40 GMT
"We decided to take" - surely the manager decided? In another poster's words "took the handbrake off". Or would you perhaps suggest the players decided to ignore him? But who is controlling the handbrake... the manager or the owner's son? I've no idea. I'm aware of unsubstantiated rumours. But if they are true, I would expect the manager to resist interference. If he was then sacked, he would get get compensated. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 27, 2024 12:29:19 GMT
"We decided to take" - surely the manager decided? In another poster's words "took the handbrake off". Or would you perhaps suggest the players decided to ignore him? But who is controlling the handbrake... the manager or the owner's son? Can you imagine the owner's son instructing MT to play boring negative football, surely he's more likely to want to see the opposite? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 27, 2024 12:34:03 GMT
Is the squad imbalanced or the manager incapable of getting the best out of a decent squad? Only Sotiriou looks a poor signing so far and if Martin had stayed fit he may well have only been used as a sub anyway. The midfield looked creative enough yesterday when we decided to take the game to Reading! "We decided to take" - surely the manager decided? In another poster's words "took the handbrake off". Or would you perhaps suggest the players decided to ignore him? Quite possibly they did decide, or at least choose to give 100% rather than the usual 80/90%. There's no way we would have constantly torn Reading's defence apart with 11 men on the pitch based on our other away performances this season. |
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Post by returngas on Oct 27, 2024 12:42:16 GMT
I was a Taylor fan and thought at the time he was the right fit. New arrivals got my blood pumping, good pre season by Gas standards and all pumped up for a top six finish. I'm now in my 70's and quite disillusioned that we really haven't progressed at all. Stats say no improvement on Barton's reign . I remember some good timesat Eastville and the disjointed times in Bath. The Mem is the mem and just a bog standard Div2 standard ground. The UWA project was a disaster . Getting back to the topic I'm now glass half full regarding Taylor . I find him boring and football boring , yesterdays game the exception . Time running out so come on Gas get you bucking act together and give me some happy times. There's a lot of us old 'em I suspect who wish we could close our eyes and be transported back to the simpler and happier days of Eastville in the 60s and 70s. I do miss the North Enclosure on a Tuesday night, the spray from the Gaswork and Harold on the wing. Things seemed less complicated and the fans before social media less aggressive towards their own players and staff. |
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Post by 1950gas on Oct 27, 2024 12:59:15 GMT
I was a Taylor fan and thought at the time he was the right fit. New arrivals got my blood pumping, good pre season by Gas standards and all pumped up for a top six finish. I'm now in my 70's and quite disillusioned that we really haven't progressed at all. Stats say no improvement on Barton's reign . I remember some good timesat Eastville and the disjointed times in Bath. The Mem is the mem and just a bog standard Div2 standard ground. The UWA project was a disaster . Getting back to the topic I'm now glass half full regarding Taylor . I find him boring and football boring , yesterdays game the exception . Time running out so come on Gas get you bucking act together and give me some happy times. There's a lot of us old 'em I suspect who wish we could close our eyes and be transported back to the simpler and happier days of Eastville in the 60s and 70s. I do miss the North Enclosure on a Tuesday night, the spray from the Gaswork and Harold on the wing. Things seemed less complicated and the fans before social media less aggressive towards their own players and staff. 👏👏👏 |
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Post by aforce on Oct 27, 2024 17:02:51 GMT
"We decided to take" - surely the manager decided? In another poster's words "took the handbrake off". Or would you perhaps suggest the players decided to ignore him? Quite possibly they did decide, or at least choose to give 100% rather than the usual 80/90%. There's no way we would have constantly torn Reading's defence apart with 11 men on the pitch based on our other away performances this season. Yep that’s what I’m not sure about. It’s plain as day to see our players operating at 80% most games this season which is not on (they aren’t good enough to operate at that level and get results) so you could blame the players but the buck stops with the manager. He has to get them playing 100% effort every single game. Should be bare minimum and on the most this hasnt happened this season |
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