|
|
Post by albaron on Nov 18, 2024 15:45:02 GMT
Tbh I’m uncomfortable with the sounds of that. Sounds like they’ll want to rebrand the club and put themselves in charge of management of the playing side. Would they be any different to the Al Saeeds? Would they end up changing our kit and identity. Ditching the quarters anyone? I’m not sure they’d be the messiahs we think they’d be. The current owners want to sell parts of the Training ground. The group apparently wants invest in Training ground and an academy. It's chalk and cheese stuff. How do you jump to the new group might change the kit? If you are using, it's better the devil you know, well the devil we currently have running the club is making bad decision after another with very little sign of investment. Owners have lost faith of alot of supporters quite impressively. If the offers good then please take it. We can't be the play thing of someone's son that knows little of running a football club. It all sounds a bit like the Salford City scenario for my liking. 1. Change of kit colour 2. Failed manager ( who was a good footballer ) running the show 3. A foriegn investor -- Providing the funds. 4. Changing managers more than some people change there underpants. 5. Promising promotion -- Still not achieved. Not sure these would be a better outcome at all. |
|
|
|
Post by neilv93 on Nov 18, 2024 16:00:06 GMT
That's a pretty big assumption. Of all the stuff in this thread, you pick THAT bit to be the big assumption?? The whole damn forum is conspiracy and hearsay. But yes, you caught me! |
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Nov 18, 2024 16:00:46 GMT
Tbh I’m uncomfortable with the sounds of that. Sounds like they’ll want to rebrand the club and put themselves in charge of management of the playing side. Would they be any different to the Al Saeeds? Would they end up changing our kit and identity. Ditching the quarters anyone? I’m not sure they’d be the messiahs we think they’d be. The current owners want to sell parts of the Training ground. The group apparently wants invest in Training ground and an academy. It's chalk and cheese stuff. How do you jump to the new group might change the kit? If you are using, it's better the devil you know, well the devil we currently have running the club is making bad decision after another with very little sign of investment. Owners have lost faith of alot of supporters quite impressively. If the offers good then please take it. We can't be the play thing of someone's son that knows little of running a football club. What's the issue with selling part of the training ground to fund it's, & the Mem's, development, what's the alternative do nothing and watch the club slowly die? There's been zero evidence of anything the new group are proposing to do, as anything posted on this thread is from articles 4+ years ago. At least the present owners have a plan to invest in redeveloping the Mem, we've no idea what the new group intend doing in that regard. As far as the VP not knowing how to run a football club, do ex Premiership players know anything about running a ragbag club like Rovers? |
|
|
|
Post by Wembley_Gas on Nov 18, 2024 16:20:41 GMT
Jansen, who represents Dirk Kuyt and Dennis Bergkamp, said: “We are in the process of buying a club in England. I’m not allowed to say which club yet.” “I can say which group we will do it with.” “Ronald Koeman, Dennis Bergkamp, Henrik Larsson and Dirk Kuyt.” ‘We are now looking at League Two or League One.” “We do this with some people around us and we also have the financiers. It doesn’t have to be in London.” “The plan is to manage the football club in the broadest sense of the word.” “So, the way we think it should be. Training, hospitality, merchandising, marketing, everything.” “We have a group, and maybe one or two more will join.” “The names I mention will also do a certain job within the club.” “Henrik Larsson would like to become a head coach. Bergkamp will set up the academy. And Koeman also comes over to do his things.” www.daveockop.com/latest-news/dirk-kuyt-to-join-up-with-dennis-bergkamp-and-ronald-koeman-in-bid-to-buy-english-club/4 ex footballers and “financiers”…. whichever club they go for that’s a complicated fit and proper persons review. If it’s not the personal wealth of the 4 and the financiers are managing a pot of money that can rise or fall based on market forces does the review cover how proficient the financiers are at managing the money they are providing to the four who then themselves are subject to testing how well they’d use the money to run a club? |
|
|
|
Post by singupgas on Nov 18, 2024 16:26:12 GMT
The current owners want to sell parts of the Training ground. The group apparently wants invest in Training ground and an academy. It's chalk and cheese stuff. How do you jump to the new group might change the kit? If you are using, it's better the devil you know, well the devil we currently have running the club is making bad decision after another with very little sign of investment. Owners have lost faith of alot of supporters quite impressively. If the offers good then please take it. We can't be the play thing of someone's son that knows little of running a football club. What's the issue with selling part of the training ground to fund it's, & the Mem's, development, what's the alternative do nothing and watch the club slowly die? There's been zero evidence of anything the new group are proposing to do, as anything posted on this thread is from articles 4+ years ago. At least the present owners have a plan to invest in redeveloping the Mem, we've no idea what the new group intend doing in that regard. As far as the VP not knowing how to run a football club, do ex Premiership players know anything about running a ragbag club like Rovers? Wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to do this? "What's the issue with selling part of the training ground to fund it's, & the Mem's, development, what's the alternative do nothing and watch the club slowly die?" Is the Training ground really that big? As far as I was aware theres no indoor or all weather facilities. So it concerns we are selling land off. Unless there soo much land we can afford to sell it off and still build top facilities. |
|
|
|
Post by gashead79 on Nov 18, 2024 16:44:50 GMT
What's the issue with selling part of the training ground to fund it's, & the Mem's, development, what's the alternative do nothing and watch the club slowly die? There's been zero evidence of anything the new group are proposing to do, as anything posted on this thread is from articles 4+ years ago. At least the present owners have a plan to invest in redeveloping the Mem, we've no idea what the new group intend doing in that regard. As far as the VP not knowing how to run a football club, do ex Premiership players know anything about running a ragbag club like Rovers? Wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to do this? "What's the issue with selling part of the training ground to fund it's, & the Mem's, development, what's the alternative do nothing and watch the club slowly die?" Is the Training ground really that big? As far as I was aware theres no indoor or all weather facilities. So it concerns we are selling land off. Unless there soo much land we can afford to sell it off and still build top facilities. I remember an old forumner suggesting the owners would sell the training ground for housing, and he got laughed at and ridiculed for the idea. He may have been spot on. |
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 12,540 
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Nov 18, 2024 16:49:08 GMT
Wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to do this? "What's the issue with selling part of the training ground to fund it's, & the Mem's, development, what's the alternative do nothing and watch the club slowly die?" Is the Training ground really that big? As far as I was aware theres no indoor or all weather facilities. So it concerns we are selling land off. Unless there soo much land we can afford to sell it off and still build top facilities. I remember an old forumner suggesting the owners would sell the training ground for housing, and he got laughed at and ridiculed for the idea. He may have been spot on. Maybe he gave them the idea. |
|
|
|
Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 18, 2024 16:56:39 GMT
Tbh I’m uncomfortable with the sounds of that. Sounds like they’ll want to rebrand the club and put themselves in charge of management of the playing side. Would they be any different to the Al Saeeds? Would they end up changing our kit and identity. Ditching the quarters anyone? I’m not sure they’d be the messiahs we think they’d be. That's a pretty big assumption. I’m not saying it would actually happen. But we have been extremely lucky in that Wael and the Al Saeeds to date have been very respectful of our club branding and identity. I think we take that for granted and assume that whoever buys us would be the same. It’s just as big as an assumption to assume they wouldn’t try and change our identity. For me our identity and branding is important and I don’t want us to sell out just to get a new stand or two. As for training ground sale that bit is less important to me. If we can have a decent academy and sell a little bit of training ground to help develop the stadium that’s a decent compromise to make in my eyes. The article was suggesting they don’t want to spend money to develop the club so that infers we wouldn’t necessarily have a stadium redevelopment instantly signed off if they were to buy us out. It did say they want to pick their own manager who is on the consortium (massive red flag imo) and they want to have a big steer in the marketing of the club. It’s not unreasonable to assume that this could involve a major rebranding of the club. Could - not certainty - but enough to make me wary of their intentions should they buy us. Beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing and all that.0 |
|
|
|
Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 18, 2024 16:58:47 GMT
Wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to do this? "What's the issue with selling part of the training ground to fund it's, & the Mem's, development, what's the alternative do nothing and watch the club slowly die?" Is the Training ground really that big? As far as I was aware theres no indoor or all weather facilities. So it concerns we are selling land off. Unless there soo much land we can afford to sell it off and still build top facilities. I remember an old forumner suggesting the owners would sell the training ground for housing, and he got laughed at and ridiculed for the idea. He may have been spot on. Assuming we’re thinking of the same person it was 95% the way they went about sharing it - acting all coy and making out we were all idiots for not knowing because it was obviously in the public domain for us all to see (obviously not obvious enough) - that frustrated us all. |
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Nov 18, 2024 17:16:58 GMT
That's a pretty big assumption. I’m not saying it would actually happen. But we have been extremely lucky in that Wael and the Al Saeeds to date have been very respectful of our club branding and identity. I think we take that for granted and assume that whoever buys us would be the same. It’s just as big as an assumption to assume they wouldn’t try and change our identity. For me our identity and branding is important and I don’t want us to sell out just to get a new stand or two. As for training ground sale that bit is less important to me. If we can have a decent academy and sell a little bit of training ground to help develop the stadium that’s a decent compromise to make in my eyes. The article was suggesting they don’t want to spend money to develop the club so that infers we wouldn’t necessarily have a stadium redevelopment instantly signed off if they were to buy us out. It did say they want to pick their own manager who is on the consortium (massive red flag imo) and they want to have a big steer in the marketing of the club. It’s not unreasonable to assume that this could involve a major rebranding of the club. Could - not certainty - but enough to make me wary of their intentions should they buy us. Beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing and all that.0 Surely any owner has the full say in how the club's marketed? In the ALS case they seem to be doing zero marketing anyway at present! As things stand we're not even certain anybody is trying to takeover the club, if they are, then who the group consists of, prior to Wael taking over the club there was a lot of talk about an American consortium but it seems likely there never was such a group. |
|
|
|
Post by aghast on Nov 18, 2024 17:17:15 GMT
It seems to me we are getting less and less attractive as an investment prospect with each passing year.
The stadium generally is a disgrace and getting worse.
Attendances are mediocre and are slipping relative to other clubs.
The other club in the city hoovers up all the prospective new support.
Success is but a distant memory and the days of us being described as a sleeping giant are now not credible at all. Staying in L1 is now all we can aspire to.
Debts mount each year with ominous predictability, with no apparent way to stop the cash pouring out of the club.
Other than a having a love of the club for local, family and sentimental reasons, I can't think why anyone would invest a penny on us.
|
|
|
|
Post by wertongas on Nov 18, 2024 17:33:54 GMT
So if there is a choice would you rather we :- 1) Do nothing and let the club stagnate. 2) Borrow money to invest in the stadium and training ground and put the club in further debt. 3) Invest as the owners have said they want to, 30- 35 million in the stadium and training ground with some of that money coming from the sale of waste land at the Quarters that is within the local development plan and allocated for housing, land that the club doesn't need but could be sold raising useful dosh that the club can use for investing in the infrastructure. I know which one i would choose. As for the fruit loop takeover rumour, Rovers name has not been mentioned anywhere, except possibly by Wael who has made comments in the passed suggesting at various points the U W E development would go ahead and the Fruit market Development was on the cards, neither of which happened . I think it is unlikely we will be seeing a dutch cap in the Directors box anytime soon.
|
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Nov 18, 2024 17:34:32 GMT
It seems to me we are getting less and less attractive as an investment prospect with each passing year. The stadium generally is a disgrace and getting worse. Attendances are mediocre and are slipping relative to other clubs. The other club in the city hoovers up all the prospective new support. Success is but a distant memory and the days of us being described as a sleeping giant are now not credible at all. Staying in L1 is now all we can aspire to. Debts mount each year with ominous predictability, with no apparent way to stop the cash pouring out of the club. Other than a having a love of the club for local, family and sentimental reasons, I can't think why anyone would invest a penny on us. Not sure "debts" are mounting even if losses are, as Wael cleared most of the debts he ran up and it's anybody's guess what's happened to them since he sold part of his shareholding. As far as attractiveness surely there is more potential at Rovers than the likes of Wycombe, Carlisle, Gillingham & Burton and they've all been taken over fairly recently. Our problem seems to be the ALS don't appear to have the finances to develop the Mem, although that seems to have been our problem since we returned to Bristol. It would be interesting to know how far apart we were from agreeing a deal with the UWE. |
|
|
|
Post by Quarters on Nov 18, 2024 17:42:49 GMT
So if there is a choice would you rather we :- 1) Do nothing and let the club stagnate. 2) Borrow money to invest in the stadium and training ground and put the club in further debt. 3) Invest as the owners have said they want to, 30- 35 million in the stadium and training ground with some of that money coming from the sale of waste land at the Quarters that is within the local development plan and allocated for housing, land that the club doesn't need but could be sold raising useful dosh that the club can use for investing in the infrastructure. I know which one i would choose. As for the fruit loop takeover rumour, Rovers name has not been mentioned anywhere, except possibly by Wael who also passed comments in the passed suggesting at various points the U W E development would go ahead and the Fruit market Development was on the cards, neither of which happened . Look at history. Rovers sell Eastville, that didn't work out. Rovers sell the Hambrook traing ground, not sure what that gained. Bristol Rugby sell extra land at the Mem, did not save them. What could be achieved if that land was still attached. Bristol Rugby sell half the Mem to Rovers, did not save them. What clubs has it worked for, selling land assets. |
|
|
|
Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 18, 2024 17:48:41 GMT
I’m not saying it would actually happen. But we have been extremely lucky in that Wael and the Al Saeeds to date have been very respectful of our club branding and identity. I think we take that for granted and assume that whoever buys us would be the same. It’s just as big as an assumption to assume they wouldn’t try and change our identity. For me our identity and branding is important and I don’t want us to sell out just to get a new stand or two. As for training ground sale that bit is less important to me. If we can have a decent academy and sell a little bit of training ground to help develop the stadium that’s a decent compromise to make in my eyes. The article was suggesting they don’t want to spend money to develop the club so that infers we wouldn’t necessarily have a stadium redevelopment instantly signed off if they were to buy us out. It did say they want to pick their own manager who is on the consortium (massive red flag imo) and they want to have a big steer in the marketing of the club. It’s not unreasonable to assume that this could involve a major rebranding of the club. Could - not certainty - but enough to make me wary of their intentions should they buy us. Beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing and all that.0 Surely any owner has the full say in how the club's marketed? In the ALS case they seem to be doing zero marketing anyway at present! As things stand we're not even certain anybody is trying to takeover the club, if they are, then who the group consists of, prior to Wael taking over the club there was a lot of talk about an American consortium but it seems likely there never was such a group. Of course and exactly. If they want us to wear red, change our crest to a robin and change our name they could do that. Who knows what a new owners intentions would be. Wael was good enough to vet the new owners to ensure that they had decent intentions regards buying into our culture. However there’s no guarantees the Al Saeeds will do the same. No guarantee they will honour it as well whilst they own us, but it least it formed part of Waels decision making process. It’s the equivalent to selling a house and choosing to go with the family who wants to make a family home out of the home you’ve lived in for decades vs the developer who wants to flatten it and turn it into a set of 2 bed new builds. |
|
|
|
Post by wertongas on Nov 18, 2024 17:57:30 GMT
So if there is a choice would you rather we :- 1) Do nothing and let the club stagnate. 2) Borrow money to invest in the stadium and training ground and put the club in further debt. 3) Invest as the owners have said they want to, 30- 35 million in the stadium and training ground with some of that money coming from the sale of waste land at the Quarters that is within the local development plan and allocated for housing, land that the club doesn't need but could be sold raising useful dosh that the club can use for investing in the infrastructure. I know which one i would choose. As for the fruit loop takeover rumour, Rovers name has not been mentioned anywhere, except possibly by Wael who also passed comments in the passed suggesting at various points the U W E development would go ahead and the Fruit market Development was on the cards, neither of which happened . Look at history. Rovers sell Eastville, that didn't work out. Rovers sell the Hambrook traing ground, not sure what that gained. Bristol Rugby sell extra land at the Mem, did not save them. What could be achieved if that land was still attached. Bristol Rugby sell half the Mem to Rovers, did not save them. What clubs has it worked for, selling land assets. Part of the land is as I under stand in the local development plan , if a developer comes in and wants to develop that land then the planning authority can force the club to sell under an enforcement notice. So if we don't need the land it is a bit pointless keeping it, when the money could be re- invested in the club. |
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Nov 18, 2024 18:26:23 GMT
Look at history. Rovers sell Eastville, that didn't work out. Rovers sell the Hambrook traing ground, not sure what that gained. Bristol Rugby sell extra land at the Mem, did not save them. What could be achieved if that land was still attached. Bristol Rugby sell half the Mem to Rovers, did not save them. What clubs has it worked for, selling land assets. Part of the land is as I under stand in the local development plan , if a developer comes in and wants to develop that land then the planning authority can force the club to sell under an enforcement notice. So if we don't need the land it is a bit pointless keeping it, when the money could be re- invested in the club. Given the club asked for the land to be included in the plan it would be a bit odd to then object to it being developed, although I doubt S Glos are ever going to take enforcement action in order to build just 50(?) executive homes, particularly if it's on the land where the club house is presently situated. |
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Nov 18, 2024 18:32:39 GMT
So if there is a choice would you rather we :- 1) Do nothing and let the club stagnate. 2) Borrow money to invest in the stadium and training ground and put the club in further debt. 3) Invest as the owners have said they want to, 30- 35 million in the stadium and training ground with some of that money coming from the sale of waste land at the Quarters that is within the local development plan and allocated for housing, land that the club doesn't need but could be sold raising useful dosh that the club can use for investing in the infrastructure. I know which one i would choose. As for the fruit loop takeover rumour, Rovers name has not been mentioned anywhere, except possibly by Wael who also passed comments in the passed suggesting at various points the U W E development would go ahead and the Fruit market Development was on the cards, neither of which happened . Look at history. Rovers sell Eastville, that didn't work out. Rovers sell the Hambrook traing ground, not sure what that gained. Bristol Rugby sell extra land at the Mem, did not save them. What could be achieved if that land was still attached. Bristol Rugby sell half the Mem to Rovers, did not save them. What clubs has it worked for, selling land assets. If Rovers hadn't sold Eastville Rovers 1883 might not even still exist? Selling Hambrook also kept the club afloat at the time Bristol Rugby did survive and seem to be doing quite well for themselves at AG Although selling spare land at The Quarters is different from any of the land sales listed, unless we become a Premiership side needing over a dozen training pitches then we don't need all the land at The Quarters. Although selling that land seems a long term plan as it's not even been included in the plan at present. |
|
|
|
Post by bluecamel on Nov 18, 2024 18:32:53 GMT
August 2023 saw a change of ownership at Bristol Rovers, with Wael Al-Qadi selling 55% of his stake in the club to Kuwaiti businessman Hussain AlSaeed.
AlSaeed's net worth is currently unclear, but he stems from a career in banking, having been the Treasury and Investment Manager at the Commercial Bank of Kuwait.
Following that, he continued to build his career in finance as an Assistant and General Manager at Kuwait Investment International Company. He then went on to form his own company in the form of M.E.C Consultants, but it was real estate where he made his millions.
Founding the Al Elmam Estate Company in 1993, he has developed housing, shopping malls, offices and restaurants all over Kuwait.
While it is unclear just how much money this earned him, it is likely that it could be of great benefit to Rovers.
Alongside Al-Qadi, who has a net worth of £400 million, they can have a real profound impact on the club and the Gas are in good hands to take that next step in the Football League. Right from day one you can never find any indication of the owners true worth
|
|
|
|
Post by willytopp84 on Nov 18, 2024 18:35:18 GMT
Two owners as rich as that and we still won't get a sniff of the championship anytime soon?
Wish Ryan Reynolds had picked us instead of Wrexham.
|
|
