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Post by Quartermaster on Mar 17, 2015 18:44:41 GMT
I wouldn't call expecting perfect grammar petty and nitpicky. It's an article which will be read by many, kids included, and should be perfect imo. It's only a handful of sentences after all. Why do we accept sub-standard grammar these days anyway? , and ! Perfectly acceptable in a sentence with independent clauses I believe!
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Post by yattongas on Mar 17, 2015 19:51:22 GMT
Perfectly acceptable in a sentence with independent clauses I believe! Independent clauses? ..... Sorry only heard of Santa clauses
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Post by pirateman on Mar 17, 2015 19:54:45 GMT
They are Santas standing for parliament or council as a non aligned candidate
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Post by Gas Chamber on Mar 17, 2015 19:59:47 GMT
In school we were always taught that (, and) could never be correct, however I was recently told that it is fine, in a Plain English/Grammar course in work.
Everyone in the room agreed that their school had told them that , and wasn't right. Bit concerning if teachers are telling children the wrong things!!
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Post by pirateman on Mar 17, 2015 20:07:09 GMT
I believe (and I am no grammarian) that ', and' can be used in a longish list such as Macclesfield, Barnet, Eastleigh, and Bristol Rovers. It is an alternative use if I am right and is known as the Oxford comma.Perhaps the edjumacated gasheads can confirm or
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Post by Quartermaster on Mar 17, 2015 20:33:34 GMT
I believe (and I am no grammarian) that ', and' can be used in a longish list such as Macclesfield, Barnet, Eastleigh, and Bristol Rovers. It is an alternative use if I am right and is known as the Oxford comma.Perhaps the edjumacated gasheads can confirm or Yep, the highly contraversial Oxford comma! "The gift is from my parents, John and Sue" suggests 2 people (my parents who are called John and Sue), but with the Oxford comma: "The gift is from my parents, John, and Sue" suggests 4 people (my 2 parents and John and Sue). Despite its name, the Americans prefer the Oxford comma and we tend not to use it, instead using my first example for either scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 20:37:35 GMT
I believe (and I am no grammarian) that ', and' can be used in a longish list such as Macclesfield, Barnet, Eastleigh, and Bristol Rovers. It is an alternative use if I am right and is known as the Oxford comma.Perhaps the edjumacated gasheads can confirm or Yep, the highly contraversial Oxford comma! "The gift is from my parents, John and Sue" suggests 2 people (my parents who are called John and Sue), but with the Oxford comma: "The gift is from my parents, John, and Sue" suggests 4 people (my 2 parents and John and Sue). Despite its name, the Americans prefer the Oxford comma and we tend not to use it, instead using my first example for either scenario. You need to get out more mate.
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Post by pirateman on Mar 17, 2015 20:41:39 GMT
Yep, the highly contraversial Oxford comma! "The gift is from my parents, John and Sue" suggests 2 people (my parents who are called John and Sue), but with the Oxford comma: "The gift is from my parents, John, and Sue" suggests 4 people (my 2 parents and John and Sue). Despite its name, the Americans prefer the Oxford comma and we tend not to use it, instead using my first example for either scenario. You need to get out more mate. I like the Oxford comma because of the above. Not that I really give a monkey's.
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Post by Mark Ash on Mar 17, 2015 20:46:58 GMT
In school we were always taught that (, and) could never be correct, however I was recently told that it is fine, in a Plain English/Grammar course in work. Everyone in the room agreed that their school had told them that , and wasn't right. Bit concerning if teachers are telling children the wrong things!! If you have a list, such as: "I like eggs, chips, sausages and beans" then you don't use a comma before the "and". However, you could have a comma before "and" if you've used a clause before it, such as: "She picked up her hat, which she had just bought, and walked out .I'm one of those teachers, but don't tell anyone .
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Post by Mark Ash on Mar 17, 2015 20:48:08 GMT
Most kids these days use text speak, so grammar and spelling probably are not an issue. just my ten penny worth, thank feck this is the biggest issue currently Goats have Kids,humans have children What if they have nannies?
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Post by pirateman on Mar 17, 2015 20:49:42 GMT
Free yers aggo I cuddent spel teechur, now I is wun
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Post by Quartermaster on Mar 17, 2015 20:49:43 GMT
Yep, the highly contraversial Oxford comma! "The gift is from my parents, John and Sue" suggests 2 people (my parents who are called John and Sue), but with the Oxford comma: "The gift is from my parents, John, and Sue" suggests 4 people (my 2 parents and John and Sue). Despite its name, the Americans prefer the Oxford comma and we tend not to use it, instead using my first example for either scenario. You need to get out more mate. I would, but John and Sue keep visiting with gifts!
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Post by Quartermaster on Mar 17, 2015 20:52:02 GMT
In school we were always taught that (, and) could never be correct, however I was recently told that it is fine, in a Plain English/Grammar course in work. Everyone in the room agreed that their school had told them that , and wasn't right. Bit concerning if teachers are telling children the wrong things!! If you have a list, such as: "I like eggs, chips, sausages and beans" then you don't use a comma before the "and". However, you could have a comma before "and" if you've used a clause before it, such as: "She picked up her hat, which she had just bought, and walked out .I'm one of those teachers, but don't tell anyone . Me too Mark Ash, but not of English so if I'm wrong that's my excuse!
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Post by Mark Ash on Mar 17, 2015 20:58:02 GMT
If you have a list, such as: "I like eggs, chips, sausages and beans" then you don't use a comma before the "and". However, you could have a comma before "and" if you've used a clause before it, such as: "She picked up her hat, which she had just bought, and walked out .I'm one of those teachers, but don't tell anyone . Me too Mark Ash, but not of English so if I'm wrong that's my excuse! We'll look great in court when they start arresting football fans for swearing. It's only a matter of time.
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Post by Quartermaster on Mar 17, 2015 21:04:13 GMT
Me too Mark Ash, but not of English so if I'm wrong that's my excuse! We'll look great in court when they start arresting football fans for swearing. It's only a matter of time. Well at least in the conference we're unlikely to be caught on tv doing it!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 21:06:44 GMT
Me too Mark Ash, but not of English so if I'm wrong that's my excuse! We'll look great in court when they start arresting football fans for swearing. It's only a matter of time. QM better not get arrested, he's my lift home!!
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Post by pirateman on Mar 17, 2015 21:09:09 GMT
Well you might get sacked but at least you would probably be heroes to the kids (sorry, youngsters)
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Post by Gas Chamber on Mar 17, 2015 21:26:32 GMT
In school we were always taught that (, and) could never be correct, however I was recently told that it is fine, in a Plain English/Grammar course in work. Everyone in the room agreed that their school had told them that , and wasn't right. Bit concerning if teachers are telling children the wrong things!! If you have a list, such as: "I like eggs, chips, sausages and beans" then you don't use a comma before the "and". However, you could have a comma before "and" if you've used a clause before it, such as: "She picked up her hat, which she had just bought, and walked out .I'm one of those teachers, but don't tell anyone . You're actually a teacher? Do you work at a school in Bristol? Never know, you could've actually taught me (or other forum members) haha how weird would that be!
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Post by pirateman on Mar 17, 2015 21:33:50 GMT
If you have a list, such as: "I like eggs, chips, sausages and beans" then you don't use a comma before the "and". However, you could have a comma before "and" if you've used a clause before it, such as: "She picked up her hat, which she had just bought, and walked out .I'm one of those teachers, but don't tell anyone . You're actually a teacher? Do you work at a school in Bristol? Never know, you could've actually taught me (or other forum members) haha how weird would that be! That's why they are staying anonymous
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Post by Mark Ash on Mar 17, 2015 21:37:03 GMT
If you have a list, such as: "I like eggs, chips, sausages and beans" then you don't use a comma before the "and". However, you could have a comma before "and" if you've used a clause before it, such as: "She picked up her hat, which she had just bought, and walked out .I'm one of those teachers, but don't tell anyone . You're actually a teacher? Do you work at a school in Bristol? Never know, you could've actually taught me (or other forum members) haha how weird would that be! I lived and worked in the south-east until 2007, then I did 3 years of supply teaching but not in Bristol (I live in Taunton), before I packed that in to do home tuition in the evenings. It's much easier, but I can't get to evening games much, unfortunately. I did teach a boy in a village primary school whose name was Ashton. He was named after the ground and his whole family were C*ty diehards. (I know he was a diehard - it took me fifteen minutes to strangle him.) Disclaimer: No actual children were harmed in the making of this joke.
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