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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 7:30:21 GMT
There's one thing we can be certain of about George Osborne's Budget today: from start to finish, it will be a cover-up of his terrible record as Chancellor.
The Conservatives came into office saying they'd protect our NHS, make people better off and balance the books — but all three promises have been broken.
Our NHS is in crisis. Waiting lists have grown and it is getting harder to see a GP.
Tax and benefit changes since 2010 have left families on average £1,127 a year worse off — because this Chancellor gives with one hand while taking away much more with the other.
Wages after inflation are down by £1,600 a year since the last election...
...And because people are earning less, tax revenues have fallen short — which is why George Osborne has broken his promise to balance the books by this year.
In short: The old Tory idea that simply cutting taxes for a few at the top means wealth will trickle down to everyone else hasn't worked.
And there's worse to come if the Tories win the election:
The Chancellor now says he wants to go far beyond balancing the books: he has a target of a £23 billion budget surplus in 2019/20 and £10 billion of unfunded tax promises, which mean...
The Tories are now planning even deeper spending cuts in the next four years than during the past five.
These cuts will devastate our public services: the independent Institute for Fiscal Studies says the cuts will need to be "colossal" if George Osborne carries out his plans.
Analysis shows that the cuts to our police, armed forces and social care which these plans would require would be so deep that they would be close to impossible to achieve — even for this Chancellor.
That's why everyone knows the only way the Tories can make their sums add up is by breaking their promises again — raising VAT and putting our NHS at risk.
The Tories came into office promising to protect our National Health Service, make people better off and balance the books. But their plan hasn't worked.
We need a better plan that puts working families first and saves our NHS, and it will take a Labour Budget to deliver it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 21:24:56 GMT
Any system based on capitalism and a central bank that controls interest rates and inflation, and that not only perpetrates but positively encourages an uneven redistribution of wealth to the richest 1% is a fecking stain on humanity.
The gap between the rich and the poor has never been wider and is, I believe, around 5 times greater than it was in the years preceding the French revolution.
It's time think about an alternative to mainstream party politics.
The revolution is long overdue.
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Post by jaggas on Apr 3, 2015 18:30:51 GMT
There's one thing we can be certain of about George Osborne's Budget today: from start to finish, it will be a cover-up of his terrible record as Chancellor. The Conservatives came into office saying they'd protect our NHS, make people better off and balance the books — but all three promises have been broken. Our NHS is in crisis. Waiting lists have grown and it is getting harder to see a GP. Tax and benefit changes since 2010 have left families on average £1,127 a year worse off — because this Chancellor gives with one hand while taking away much more with the other. Wages after inflation are down by £1,600 a year since the last election... ...And because people are earning less, tax revenues have fallen short — which is why George Osborne has broken his promise to balance the books by this year. In short: The old Tory idea that simply cutting taxes for a few at the top means wealth will trickle down to everyone else hasn't worked. And there's worse to come if the Tories win the election: The Chancellor now says he wants to go far beyond balancing the books: he has a target of a £23 billion budget surplus in 2019/20 and £10 billion of unfunded tax promises, which mean... The Tories are now planning even deeper spending cuts in the next four years than during the past five. These cuts will devastate our public services: the independent Institute for Fiscal Studies says the cuts will need to be "colossal" if George Osborne carries out his plans. Analysis shows that the cuts to our police, armed forces and social care which these plans would require would be so deep that they would be close to impossible to achieve — even for this Chancellor. That's why everyone knows the only way the Tories can make their sums add up is by breaking their promises again — raising VAT and putting our NHS at risk. The Tories came into office promising to protect our National Health Service, make people better off and balance the books. But their plan hasn't worked. We need a better plan that puts working families first and saves our NHS, and it will take a Labour Budget to deliver it. More comedy gold.If Labour were in charge we would now be paying 40 per litre more for petrol and diesel as they always rose the tax on fuel 2p per budget hurting the working class and the knock on drove the price of everything we buy in shops up.As for the NHS Labours disgraceful open door immigration policy has put enormous pressure on an institution that the immigrants get for free while the rest of us pay the same goes for education where teachers are now expected to know up to 18 languages in order to communicate with pupils who's first language is not English. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 20:31:26 GMT
Thanks for this. Comedy Gold indeed...
A few inaccuracies here however if you need to vote for ukip then go ahead. We live in a democracy and you are free to have your view.
The election will be decided by the 100 swing seats and right now the Labour Party are polling very well in many of the swing seats.
We have a choice between the party that best represents working people, labour and the ones who support the richest in society. When many have been struggling the rich had a tax cut. The health service is in tatters and labour need to save it again. Base your choices on your hopes not your fears.
My vote is decided - many others still to decide. Should be a fun few weeks!
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Post by inee on Apr 11, 2015 15:29:27 GMT
rich sorry but why is it people like you always have to label someone when they dont agree with your views, as for politics, i cant stand labour, cant remember a time in my life where labour did any good, if they really were the party for the people as all labour supporters claim then why is it the venomately oppose any policies,changes or cuts bought in by government, but never ever reverse those decisions when in power.
so how would labour make any difference to the NHS, One of the problems with the NHS, is the Dam bell ends who use casualty as their own personal GP, Sack most of the management ,clean properly, reintroduce proper scary matrons,charge immigrant regardless of where they are from, we dont get free healthcare in Europe so why should they get it here, and lets face it B Liar should be tried for war crimes, brown should be charged with mass drug charges as he stopped one opium harvest from being destroyed, as the poor farmers wouldn't have any money, oh dear . What about the poor families world wide who are blighted by opium addiction.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 13:09:29 GMT
Hi Inee,
I can see that I will not influence you however labour did bring in the minimum wage introduced the NHS after the 45 election, cut waiting lists to 18 weeks, GP appointments in 48 hours, cut waiting times for cancer. What other party could working people vote for. The 1% are getting away - its to face and its not right. I'm not that keen on looking back but as you did here are but here is a few labour achievements.
1 Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
2 Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
3. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
4. 85,000 more nurses.
5. 32,000 more doctors.
6. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
7. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
8. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
9. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
10. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
11. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
12. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
13. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
14. Free eye test for over 60s.
15. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
Is there any other party that will bring these benefits for normal working people?
Looking forward, its entirely right that people at the top pay their share to help others. Is it right that some billionaires do not pay the tax that you and I do? Is it right that the top 1% in these difficult times pay a little more to help the wider society? Is it right that Hedge Funds make profits but do not pay capital gains tax? Is it right that some working people have not rises in pay in the last few years? We have to change things and there is only one real alternative.
I understand your view and I'm tolerant of all views. I just don't take this cynical view. If all the hard working families voted, the Tories and the right would never win. Fortunately, in the marginals Labour are in the lead. Lets see what happens in May. Aren't we lucky to live in a democracy that we have the chance to vote at all.
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Post by supergas on Apr 24, 2015 0:44:10 GMT
Hi Inee, I can see that I will not influence you however labour did bring in the minimum wage introduced the NHS after the 45 election, cut waiting lists to 18 weeks, GP appointments in 48 hours, cut waiting times for cancer. What other party could working people vote for. The 1% are getting away - its to face and its not right. I'm not that keen on looking back but as you did here are but here is a few labour achievements. *....deleted for brevity....*Is there any other party that will bring these benefits for normal working people? Looking forward, its entirely right that people at the top pay their share to help others. Is it right that some billionaires do not pay the tax that you and I do? Is it right that the top 1% in these difficult times pay a little more to help the wider society? Is it right that Hedge Funds make profits but do not pay capital gains tax? Is it right that some working people have not rises in pay in the last few years? We have to change things and there is only one real alternative. I understand your view and I'm tolerant of all views. I just don't take this cynical view. If all the hard working families voted, the Tories and the right would never win. Fortunately, in the marginals Labour are in the lead. Lets see what happens in May. Aren't we lucky to live in a democracy that we have the chance to vote at all. Hi Rich, Where did you get that list from? I'd love to spend some time picking it to pieces which would i) be easy and ii) be fun for me, but instead I have one question. Assuming it's an even vaguely accurate list, how much did it cost? And how much was that verses the government income over the same period? I can answer the last part for you - it cost a metric-shedload more than the income! That's why we were lucky to end up with a Conservative/Lib-Dem coalition in 2010 because if we had another Labour term under the Prime-Mentalist we would have continued spending more than we could afford as a country and ended up being in a worse situation than Greece! If anyone who wants to vote Labour can answer me this question simply and factually I will go away. Why, when we already have a massive yearly deficit do you think that spending more and taxing less will improve the nation's finances and bring down the national debt? Seriously, I'd like Labour-based answers, because the politicians at the top of their party are giving me nothing... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 19:12:01 GMT
Hi Inee, I can see that I will not influence you however labour did bring in the minimum wage introduced the NHS after the 45 election, cut waiting lists to 18 weeks, GP appointments in 48 hours, cut waiting times for cancer. What other party could working people vote for. The 1% are getting away - its to face and its not right. I'm not that keen on looking back but as you did here are but here is a few labour achievements. *....deleted for brevity....*Is there any other party that will bring these benefits for normal working people? Looking forward, its entirely right that people at the top pay their share to help others. Is it right that some billionaires do not pay the tax that you and I do? Is it right that the top 1% in these difficult times pay a little more to help the wider society? Is it right that Hedge Funds make profits but do not pay capital gains tax? Is it right that some working people have not rises in pay in the last few years? We have to change things and there is only one real alternative. I understand your view and I'm tolerant of all views. I just don't take this cynical view. If all the hard working families voted, the Tories and the right would never win. Fortunately, in the marginals Labour are in the lead. Lets see what happens in May. Aren't we lucky to live in a democracy that we have the chance to vote at all. Hi Rich, Where did you get that list from? I'd love to spend some time picking it to pieces which would i) be easy and ii) be fun for me, but instead I have one question. Assuming it's an even vaguely accurate list, how much did it cost? And how much was that verses the government income over the same period? I can answer the last part for you - it cost a metric-shedload more than the income! That's why we were lucky to end up with a Conservative/Lib-Dem coalition in 2010 because if we had another Labour term under the Prime-Mentalist we would have continued spending more than we could afford as a country and ended up being in a worse situation than Greece! If anyone who wants to vote Labour can answer me this question simply and factually I will go away. Why, when we already have a massive yearly deficit do you think that spending more and taxing less will improve the nation's finances and bring down the national debt? Seriously, I'd like Labour-based answers, because the politicians at the top of their party are giving me nothing... I take it you are not voting labour. Fair enough! Your choice. This really is an old point. We've all moved on. Up until 2008 the conservatives supported all the labour decisions and then there was a world wide banking system crash that necessitated bailing out the banks. Some might say it was an investment. The conservatives are really struggling in this election. Their objective and strategy is failing and all they are doing now is using fear about the future. I much prefer talking policies. So Let's look forward. There is a real choice for people at the next election. It's does look like, despite loads of media support the tories just can't get more than 34% to believe them. So we are left with labour sorting the mess out again. The tories always leave the country worse off on the things that really matter. So what will Labour do when they win the election? End rip-off prices on energy bills. Labour will make life more affordable for millions of people. They will freeze gas and electricity bills until 2017 and reform the broken energy market to stop the cost of energy bills soaring. Help people get on the housing ladder. Labour will build the homes Britain needs by getting 200,000 homes built a year by 2020. They will get a fair deal for renters with longer, more predictable tenancies and a ban on rip-off letting fees. Support working parents with the cost of childcare. Parents shouldn't face the prospect of taking a job that ends up costing them more than they’ll earn. We will give working parents 25 hours of free childcare for three and four-year-olds per week. Energy A Labour government will freeze gas and electricity bills until 2017 Renting A Labour government will support renters by introducing longer-term tenancies and banning rip-off letting fees Labour will save our NHS Tackle NHS waiting times and put patients first. The Tories have created a crisis in A&E, and thousands of people can’t get a GP appointment when they need one. Labour will guarantee that you will be able to see a GP within 48 hours, which will help to tackle A&E waiting times. Provide fairer access to mental health services. Labour will make mental health the priority it deserves to be. Labour will ensure that people have access to the treatment and services they need. Labour will make sure all professional NHS staff receive mental health training. Create a 21st Century NHS for complex needs. Labour will make patient services fit for the future by bringing together physical health, mental health and social care into a single system of whole-person care. A single service built around patients. Care A Labour government will bring together health and social care services to provide whole-person care I could go on. I've got a long list. Anyone paid less than 40k with a family, or elderly parents, will not benefit by voting for the conservatives. We need to kick them out and bring hope back to the streets of the UK. Why won't the tories talk about policy. Because they know that the majority wouldn't like them as they will be able to see the impact on working lives.. Will people never learn? |
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Post by jaggas on Apr 25, 2015 19:17:04 GMT
Yes if it's in The Guardian it must be correct.The Guardian and its readership are bias left wing socialists who despise Britain.They would love nothing more than to see it swallowed up by a corrupt undemocratic EU that The Guardian and its readership adore. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 19:36:39 GMT
Yes if it's in The Guardian it must be correct.The Guardian and its readership are bias left wing socialists who despise Britain.They would love nothing more than to see it swallowed up by a corrupt undemocratic EU that The Guardian and its readership adore. Its just a view from a columnist. I find it difficult to clump so many people together and label them. Its not my way. Who really despises Britain? I'm so pleased that so much of London is on target to vote labour in a few weeks time. The Tories are so upset that they are alongside labour in the polls. They really can't believe it. The next two weeks is going to be fun. They have no clear objective, they are struggling with strategy and jump from day to day with tactical interventions. Is this the worse tory campaign ever? As an aside, If you mean being left wing means you care about people then I'm OK with it. One thing we do know is I support Bristol Rovers and I wouldn't get confused about who i support like Cameron did today. He supports villa apparently but said he supported west ham. Big gaffe! Has this simple (can you trust this bloke) error cost him and the tories the election? Best regards |
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Post by jaggas on Apr 25, 2015 21:11:09 GMT
You cannot possibly gauge a general election by what happens in London.London is full of immigrants that were fed housed given free money,free health care and free education for their children at the taxpayers expense.
I expect Labour will win the prison vote as well seeing as they made it a prisoners right to vote.
Labour will win the people on benefits vote as well as people on benefits who cannot be bothered to work always vote Labour as Labour look after them.
The workers who pay taxes determine elections thank goodness they are in the majority.
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Post by inee on Apr 25, 2015 21:24:32 GMT
Hi Rich, Where did you get that list from? I'd love to spend some time picking it to pieces which would i) be easy and ii) be fun for me, but instead I have one question. Assuming it's an even vaguely accurate list, how much did it cost? And how much was that verses the government income over the same period? I can answer the last part for you - it cost a metric-shedload more than the income! That's why we were lucky to end up with a Conservative/Lib-Dem coalition in 2010 because if we had another Labour term under the Prime-Mentalist we would have continued spending more than we could afford as a country and ended up being in a worse situation than Greece! If anyone who wants to vote Labour can answer me this question simply and factually I will go away. Why, when we already have a massive yearly deficit do you think that spending more and taxing less will improve the nation's finances and bring down the national debt? Seriously, I'd like Labour-based answers, because the politicians at the top of their party are giving me nothing... End rip-off prices on energy bills. Labour will make life more affordable for millions of people. They will freeze gas and electricity bills until 2017 and reform the broken energy market to stop the cost of energy bills soaring. Support working parents with the cost of childcare. Parents shouldn't face the prospect of taking a job that ends up costing them more than they’ll earn. We will give working parents 25 hours of free childcare for three and four-year-olds per week. Energy A Labour government will freeze gas and electricity bills until 2017 Labour will save our NHS Tackle NHS waiting times and put patients first. The Tories have created a crisis in A&E, and thousands of people can’t get a GP appointment when they need one. Labour will guarantee that you will be able to see a GP within 48 hours, which will help to tackle A&E waiting times. Provide fairer access to mental health services. Labour will make mental health the priority it deserves to be. Labour will ensure that people have access to the treatment and services they need. Labour will make sure all professional NHS staff receive mental health training. Create a 21st Century NHS for complex needs. Labour will make patient services fit for the future by bringing together physical health, mental health and social care into a single system of whole-person care. A single service built around patients. Care A Labour government will bring together health and social care services to provide whole-person care I could go on. I've got a long list. Anyone paid less than 40k with a family, or elderly parents, will not benefit by voting for the conservatives. We need to kick them out and bring hope back to the streets of the UK. hmm interesting rich but wrong in places End rip-off prices on energy bills hmm this is already happening to some extent so all labour are doing is expanding an existing policy Support working parents with the cost of childcare. And so are the others, the best way to support working parents is to suppress greed and the need to own the latest gadget, so one person can stay at home and look after a child, good old family values Energy see above as its just a rehash of your first point Labour will save our NHS this is being tackled already but is not an easy fix , many gp's are leaving over attempts to modernise their workload, it's arguably one of the most difficult and tiring jobs in the nhs, have you ever thought that as more people come to this country, more gp's are needed but not many want to become gp's these days as their workload is being added too all the time, i plan my visits around my meds running out and ring in advance, if i need an urgent appointment its sit and wait time as its always been, if people used their common sense then waiting times would come down, dont visit the vet for a cold etc ,instead go to the chemist as they can diagnose common ailments, use the nurse at your surgery why visit the vet for silly stuff like infected cuts nails gone black etc see the nurse. as for the guaranteed 48hr appointment with the vet and lower a&e waiting times, the two are directly related and will do nothing but strain an already strained system as more pillocks will go to a&e and vets will miss signs of illness due to 2 or 3 minute appointments. but then i supose as more people are dying from misdiagnosis then effectively waiting times will come down. Provide fairer access to mental health services. This is already being done and has been for several years, i have first hand experience of these services using them myself to stay alive( yeah yeah i know) if my depression and self neglect get worse or i miss to many appointments then the doc will send me straight to the mental health team. Create a 21st Century NHS for complex needs. Again this is being done already Care Again this is being done already, When Ann-Marie was alive she had regular appointments with the vet, heart ,brain ,muscular dytrophy teams , a monthly visit at home from her epilepsy nurse more frequently if her fits were more frequent, she was in contact with an occupational therapist and her social worker was always a phone call away(as when ann marie wanted to change her name we got an assesment to say she was capable of making her own decitions, i could type more but im getting bloody angry ,that people who believe the bloody politicians , without actually checking out what is already being done for the mentally ill, need to be shot. Sorry nothing personal aimed at you but deeply personal to me as its being done alredy, when Ann-Marie Irene died the various medical department who cared for her bent over backwards to offer wendy and myself help if needed |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 7:50:19 GMT
My mother is in a home with Alzheimer's, my dad has cancer, my sister has MS. All have been looked after by the wonderful health service. Increases of pay in public services over last five years has been abysmal. In 2010 we were told by tories that we were all in it together as we recovered from the world wide banking crisis.
So this morning we see the super rich (over 100 million in wealth) have doubled their wealth. They will have the freedom to choose if they have any of the challenges you and I and our families and many others have had.
Millions do not have a choice. If tories win in 10 days then millions will continue to struggle with their services while the very wealthy sprinkle a few odd crumbs to keep us plebs just about happy enough. I really isn't good enough.
Britain can do much better than that.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 26, 2015 8:11:08 GMT
Not sure public services pay rised are any different from the vast majority of workers, but that's a result of recovering from the recession created whilst Labour were in power?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 8:37:59 GMT
Not sure public services pay rised are any different from the vast majority of workers, but that's a result of recovering from the recession created whilst Labour were in power? The world wide recession was not created by labour spending to improve services. As it happens I agree many have struggled in the last five years. Let's bring it to and end and kick out these tories who have not brought the debt down. In fact, increased it. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 26, 2015 9:54:53 GMT
And return to a Labour party who created the problems and created massive unemployment?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 13:41:18 GMT
And return to a Labour party who created the problems and created massive unemployment? I guess we will not agree and I'm fine with people having a different view. The only party discussing solutions right now are labour. The conservatives started by discussing the economy - they ran away from that as they couldnt defend their record. Then discussed miliband but ran away as people actually saw a leader who was much, much better than originally thought, then discussed NHS but ran away as couldn't defend their record. The list goes on! And now they strike fear about the SNP. The media discuss tactics after the election. Let's hear the policies and it will be obvious who people should vote for. Surely it's fair that people who live in houses over 2 million, yes 2 million should pay a little bit more to ensure that the NHS gives a quality and compassionate service to those in need. Ask the nurses, ask the docttors. Its a nightmare for them.! The Tories will not debate with miliband as they know they have nothing to offer the majority of the British people. The forward looking party, the party who will stand up for the 99% is clearly labour. Let's not sleep walk into another five years of the tories. We all deserve so much better! |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 26, 2015 13:53:45 GMT
I'm voting UKIP.
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